Political Roundtable Part XXXIV

[Kanyewest]

Apparently the fbi showed the gun on tv, and it's pretty unique, and the grandfather whose gun it was recognized it and called the dad like, what is going on, why is my gun on tv

Apparently, this still doesn't rule out groyper's (a section of them approve of this but also still could be someone who is liberal as well. The text messages released are also being criticized as fake although it is a mentally unstable person. Trust in the institution is fairly low considering that Kash Patel is denying claims about the Epstein files related to Trump and the way there has been false reporting from publications like the Wall Street Journal and the Guardian.

Well, this confirms both sides of the aisle are completely down the rabbit hole of, "if it's something bad about my side, it's a false flag conspiracy" or "if it's something bad about the other side that hasn't come to light, it's a coverup conspiracy".

The groyper claim is a disproved fringe conspiracy theory at this point. The guy is pretty obviously left in political alignment. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out” is not something you expect to here coming out of the mouth of someone who is to the right of Charlie Kirk. I mean he's basically saying in that text in so many words what Zonkerbl has said multiple times in that you reap what you sow.

The political zeitgeist has become so polluted on all sides, that it's become this nihilistic whataboutism the lacks any sort of intellectual consistency. A race to the bottom if you will.

It's possible to be both disgusted with someone killing Kirk, no matter what came out of his mouth, and also be disgusted about Pam Bondi going after hate speech, which is a blatant attempt on free speech and political dissent or conservative activist trying to get people fired for social media posts. That you see is intellectual consistency, not this mentality of, "oh my side said this, so I'm just going to try to do whatever mental gymnastics I can come up with to reconcile, and reconfirm my own biases."

Also, the notion or insinuation that the Wall Street Journal is an outlet that falsely reports is simply just not aligned with reality. Look at any media bias chart out there, the WSJ is smack dab in the middle. Its editorial board is definitely right leaning, but its journalist are as center as you get. There are versions of those same bias charts that breakout journalistic sides of publications from their editorial sides that show this. But again I challenge you to find one where WSJ is placed as middle of the road from a reputable source. That's not to say may be the WSJ didn't possibly get some stuff wrong at the get go, but let's not act like that's just a problem of the WSJ either when it comes to other newspapers and outlets.

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May just end up having no political affiliation though.

[Kanyewest]

Meanwhile, looks like Epstein files are back on the menu https://newrepublic.com/post/200531/kash-patel-jeffrey-epstein-trafficking-network

[Zonkerbl]

And get out of here with right wingers coming in here condemning liberals for not being gaslit about Kirk's evil. Respect for the dead ended when you all danced on RBG's grave. A reporter asked about the Dem state congressfolk who were assassinated 3 months ago and he said "Who?" Uncivil. You all voted for a politician who bragged about sexually assaulting women. GTFOOH with your holier than though hypocrisy.

I'm guessing the Retired Mod moniker was after a forced retirement because you are completely floating off the planet in that big ole bubble of yours.

It's hilarious when anyone comes onto this discussion that you just always resort to calling someone a Republican, right winger, etc., etc., blah blah blah if they disagree, when in reality you have zero clue where they stand. Then again, as someone as far down the rabbit hole of the left as you, I suppose everyone else is right of your political fantasy.

Also, completely adorable you accusing of someone acting "holier than though". Big belly laugh on that one.

Interesting that you thought I was talking about you though innit? If you're not a right winger why do you feel personally attacked? I addressed your comments about me in a separate post. It's not all about you sweetie.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

And get out of here with right wingers coming in here condemning liberals for not being gaslit about Kirk's evil. Respect for the dead ended when you all danced on RBG's grave. A reporter asked about the Dem state congressfolk who were assassinated 3 months ago and he said "Who?" Uncivil. You all voted for a politician who bragged about sexually assaulting women. GTFOOH with your holier than though hypocrisy.

I'm guessing the Retired Mod moniker was after a forced retirement because you are completely floating off the planet in that big ole bubble of yours.

It's hilarious when anyone comes onto this discussion that you just always resort to calling someone a Republican, right winger, etc., etc., blah blah blah if they disagree, when in reality you have zero clue where they stand. Then again, as someone as far down the rabbit hole of the left as you, I suppose everyone else is right of your political fantasy.

Also, completely adorable you accusing of someone acting "holier than though". Big belly laugh on that one.

Interesting that you thought I was talking about you though innit? If you're not a right winger why do you feel personally attacked? I addressed your comments about me in a separate post. It's not all about you sweetie.

Well technically you were talking about multiple people because you said "right wingers," you know the plural of "right winger"? Not just a "you". Safe to say after two comments I posted in quick order about stuff you don't like to hear in your bubble you were referring at least in part to me.

Thanks for another big belly laugh.

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[Kanyewest]

It looks like Jimmy Kimmel was suspended for making a joke about how little Trump cared about Charlie Kirk's death. Looks like ABC caved like other educational institutions, corporations like CBS, law firms, etc.

[queridiculo]

It looks like Jimmy Kimmel was suspended for making a joke about how little Trump cared about Charlie Kirk's death. Looks like ABC caved like other educational institutions, corporations like CBS, law firms, etc.

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

[pancakes3]

It looks like Jimmy Kimmel was suspended for making a joke about how little Trump cared about Charlie Kirk's death. Looks like ABC caved like other educational institutions, corporations like CBS, law firms, etc.

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

Kimmel got pressured by ABC who were pressured by Sinclair Media who owns the local broadcast stations who threatened to not broadcast Kimmel who were "pressured" by the FCC who threatened to pull the broadcast licenses of the local broadcast stations if they kept playing Kimmel.

It's still caving, but not quite as cowardly as it would facially appear.

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[closg00]

It looks like Jimmy Kimmel was suspended for making a joke about how little Trump cared about Charlie Kirk's death. Looks like ABC caved like other educational institutions, corporations like CBS, law firms, etc.

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

Kimmel got pressured by ABC who were pressured by Sinclair Media who owns the local broadcast stations who threatened to not broadcast Kimmel who were "pressured" by the FCC who threatened to pull the broadcast licenses of the local broadcast stations if they kept playing Kimmel.

It's still caving, but not quite as cowardly as it would facially appear.

The thing is that Kimmel’s comments were about TRUMP and how he responded, and nothing about Kirk except in passing, we are 100% living under Fascist rule now.

[Kanyewest]

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

Kimmel got pressured by ABC who were pressured by Sinclair Media who owns the local broadcast stations who threatened to not broadcast Kimmel who were "pressured" by the FCC who threatened to pull the broadcast licenses of the local broadcast stations if they kept playing Kimmel.

It's still caving, but not quite as cowardly as it would facially appear.

The thing is that Kimmel’s comments were about TRUMP and how he responded, and nothing about Kirk except in passing, we are 100% living under Fascist rule now.

Yeah, I would watch the video- nothing really offensive is said about Kirk but rather made fun of how Trump didn't take the death of Kirk seriously and commented on his $200 million ballroom - Trump did this twice in front of the white house and on Fox News.

[queridiculo]

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

Kimmel got pressured by ABC who were pressured by Sinclair Media who owns the local broadcast stations who threatened to not broadcast Kimmel who were "pressured" by the FCC who threatened to pull the broadcast licenses of the local broadcast stations if they kept playing Kimmel.

It's still caving, but not quite as cowardly as it would facially appear.

The thing is that Kimmel’s comments were about TRUMP and how he responded, and nothing about Kirk except in passing, we are 100% living under Fascist rule now.

The Supreme Court with yet another ruling to erode our constitutional rights.

There’s nothing stopping the Icestapo from squashing dissent by arresting ordinary citizens at will now.

[Wizardspride]

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I think Dion's still alive. Time to update this song.

[Zonkerbl]

ICE officer violently assaults peacefully protesting congressional candidate Kat Abughazaleh

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https://www.wsj.com/us-news/political-violence-killings-charlie-kirk-shooting-c96e7560?mod=hp_lead_pos8

For decades, right-wing extremists or jihadists have been responsible for the bulk of America’s deadly political violence and domestic terrorism, from the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing to the 2016 Pulse nightclub shooting, according to researchers.

But those tracking such violence say more acts are being committed by those holding either explicitly leftist views, no dominant political views or a mix of fringe ideologies, including the alleged gunman in the fatal shooting of a UnitedHealthcare executive in December and the suspect in the killing of two Israeli diplomats in Washington in May.

Tyler Robinson, the 22-year-old Utah man charged Tuesday with murdering conservative activist Charlie Kirk, had grown political and left-leaning over the past year, “becoming more pro-gay and trans-rights oriented,” his mother, a registered Republican, told authorities, according to Utah County Attorney Jeffrey Gray.

Robinson allegedly texted his romantic partner, a male who is transitioning to female, saying he killed Kirk because “the guy spreads too much hate.”

“The murder of Charlie Kirk is an American tragedy,” Gray said.

The federal government doesn’t comprehensively track data on political violence and domestic terrorism. Various groups and academics do, but differ on the types of data collected and the definitions. They generally find that right-wing and jihadist violence has been more prevalent in the U.S. than left-wing violence in recent decades. But some see an evolving landscape.

“Now we have substantial political violence from both the left and the right,” said University of Chicago researcher Robert Pape, a political-science professor who heads the university’s Chicago Project on Security and Threats. Pape said he and staff researched decades of events to document motivations for political violence to come to conclusions.

Political violence has waxed and waned in the U.S. since its founding, and the political orientation of those perpetrating such violence—if one exists—has swung back and forth on the left-right spectrum over time as well.

The turbulent 1960s saw the killings of civil-rights workers and assassinations of President John F. Kennedy, Sen. Robert Kennedy, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X. In 1972, a man shot presidential candidate George Wallace, crippling him.

Pape found that in this volatile period, more acts of political violence were committed by left-wing extremists, although right-wing extremists were violent as well. Then, starting around 1972, right-wing extremists were behind most such acts, until about 2017 or 2018. Today, he said, such violence is increasingly committed by those from both ends of the political spectrum. “This era of violent populism will get worse before it gets better,” Pape told The Wall Street Journal late last week. “We’re headed for more trouble.”

As attacks surge, understanding what drives violence against political figures becomes more urgent. Trump survived one assassination attempt in July 2024 and was the target of an apparent second one months later, while authorities said a gunman with lists of prominent abortion-rights supporters killed a Democratic Minnesota lawmaker and her husband in June.

The government did fund efforts to look at the trend. Until last week, the Justice Department’s National Institute of Justice had posted a study on domestic terrorism on its website. The report, called “What NIJ Research Tells Us About Domestic Terrorism,” said that since 1990 far-right extremists have committed more ideologically motivated homicides than far-left extremists: more than 520 compared with 78. The study can no longer be found on the government’s website but can be found on an internet archive. It appears to have been taken down after last week’s shooting. The Justice Department declined to comment.

In one of the nation’s most comprehensive surveys of political extremism and violence, researchers using data from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland, College Park, found that between 1948 and 2018 right-wing extremists and jihadists were about twice as likely to engage in violent behavior when compared with left-wing extremists. The researchers found 560 individuals from the far-right involved in ideologically motivated violence compared with 120 from the far left over that time period.

Gary LaFree, a co-author on the study and a University of Maryland criminologist, said left-wing extremists became less violent after the 1970s, when groups such as the Weather Underground were active. Movements like antifa, a loose network of antifascist protesters, have been implicated in widespread property damage, but haven’t been tied to many violent attacks, he said.

“The data since 9/11 shows that lethal left-wing violence has been a much smaller problem than right-wing terrorism,” said Peter Bergen, vice president for global studies & fellows at New America, a liberal-leaning think tank. “But it’s been part of the American story before in the 1970s so it can come back.”

The day after the Kirk shooting, the libertarian Cato Institute published data showing that politically motivated killings in the U.S. are rare. It stated that from Jan. 1, 1975, to this month, politically motivated terrorist attacks killed 3,599 people in the U.S., with 81 of those deaths occurring after 2020. The institute, which includes international terrorist attacks on America, estimated that 87% were committed by Islamic radicals; 11% were committed by right-wing extremists, and 2% by left-wing extremists.

Excluding the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, right-wing attacks accounted for 63% of killings and left-wing for 10%.

Cato defined right-wing terrorists as those driven by white supremacy, antiabortion views, involuntary celibacy and other ideologies. Left-wing attackers included those motivated by Black nationalism, antipolice sentiment, animal rights, communism and other views.

“Politically motivated murder is unacceptable and inherently bad, like all murder, and doubly so because of how socially corrosive it is,” wrote Alex Nowrasteh, the vice president for economic and social policy studies at Cato. He acknowledged that statistical analyses are fragile, and that “the motivated reader can slice and dice these numbers in different ways, count marginal hate crimes as politically motivated terrorist attacks,” or “assign different ideological motivations to the individual attacker.”

Utah Gov. Spencer Cox, a Republican, has joined Colorado Democratic Gov. Jared Polis in launching an effort to tone down political rhetoric.

“We can return violence with fire and violence; we can return hate with hate,” Cox said last Friday. “And that’s the problem with political violence, is it metastasizes, because we can always point the finger at the other side, and at some point we have to find an off-ramp, or it’s going to get much, much worse.”

[Zonkerbl]

It looks like Jimmy Kimmel was suspended for making a joke about how little Trump cared about Charlie Kirk's death. Looks like ABC caved like other educational institutions, corporations like CBS, law firms, etc.

It's only free speech when you can **** on poor, brown, muslim and transgender people, or when you call people the "R" word, or gay people the "F" word.

Not sure what it's going to take to let this sink into your thick skull leftist scum.

Kimmel got pressured by ABC who were pressured by Sinclair Media who owns the local broadcast stations who threatened to not broadcast Kimmel who were "pressured" by the FCC who threatened to pull the broadcast licenses of the local broadcast stations if they kept playing Kimmel.

It's still caving, but not quite as cowardly as it would facially appear.

I don't see it that way, the pressure from FCC is at the end of that causality string. None of this would have happened if Trump, through the FCC, wasn't using the terrifying power of the government's monopoly on violence to penalize wrongthink. Doesn't matter what he (Kimmel) said.

"Cowardice" is unfair. The guilty party here is every person who voted for Trump.

[dobrojim]

"How can a man be lauded as a national civil rights hero and free speech champion worthy of a presidential medal of freedom, flags at half staff and a congressional moment of silence when quoting him is a firing offense"

-Joy Reid

[dobrojim]

An early leader of Antifa

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