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Post#1801 » by The Master » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:42 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:I am very intrigue with how GSW and new Lakers owners with also deep pockets approach this.
Do they push for a much harsher punishment and take out the Clippers for the next 8 years at least?
Or do they want a mere slap on the wrist so they can duplicate the Ballmer Template and start acquiring superstars under the table?
meanwhile cheap owners contended to just sit and watch them, wondering which side would give them the highest revenue.

Big markets already have enormous handicap just for being big markets - so they can acquire LeBrons, Brunsons, Kawhis, Durants or Irvings. They don't need that much additional advantage here. Ignoring speculations that they were using constantly similar tactics in the past, obviously.

On the other hand - situation in which they have to bargain with under the table money to the extent that Clippers did (we literally talk +100 MIL $ investment in Aspiration and 50 MIL $ additional salary for Kawhi), is increasing costs of their position.

So yeah, I believe that in everyone's interest is to punish Clippers severely from pure competition perspective: small owners / small markets are f**** if any similar scheme like Aspiration gate is possible, big markets already are in advantage on the free agency to the extent that they don't need to increase costs of their investments.

Ballmer is just a unicorn of being obsessed about basketball, being in big market and having much more money than anyone else to invest in the way he did in order to cheat.
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That's a **** ridiculous timeline. It's not going to court. Why is the league office operating slower than the criminal justice system?
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I’m sure that won’t let this story to hang over the entire all star weekend and most of the nba season.
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Post#1804 » by LLJ » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:53 pm

The Clippers have their own unique brand of anti-karma. This is why they'll never win an NBA championship. Not even an NBA Finals appearance.
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Post#1805 » by manlisten » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:53 pm

Yea who is spotrac to report that information? Don't they just keep record of player contracts etc? It's like if basketball reference started reporting breaking news.
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Imagine Pablo goes silent for a while and then drops a huge piece of evidence right before the All-Star weekend.
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Post#1807 » by Slava » Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:56 pm

Lol Ballmer paid $23 per share for a company under bankruptcy while other investors were pulling out for a fraction of the $10.10 they paid per share and he wants us to believe there is nothing to see here. Pablo Torre knocked this out of the park.
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Post#1808 » by JDR720 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:03 pm

Ballmer should be removed from ownership.

This is how blatantly corrupt this whole thing is.

Now anything happening at all is up for debate, of course. These days being blatantly corrupt is just a standard part business/politics etc.
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Post#1809 » by The Master » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:05 pm

Slava wrote:Lol Ballmer paid $23 per share for a company under bankruptcy while other investors were pulling out for a fraction of the $10.10 they paid per share and he wants us to believe there is nothing to see here. Pablo Torre knocked this out of the park.

'They conned me'.

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Post#1810 » by pepe1991 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:17 pm

Torre just played Cuban like a puppet.

1) Cuban said the nba should look at the carbon credits purchased and if they paid up front. Because the margins on those credits would make it easier to pay Kawhi. And the source confirms they in fact did.

2)Cuban also said that if ballmer knew that the company was going under, that Ballmer would invest money into it to pay off Kawhi so the debt would be off the books…. which Pablo found out ballmer did exactly that

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Post#1811 » by G R E Y » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:22 pm

I wonder what the arena chants will be the longer this lingers. Fans can get creative with taunts and there's a lot of time to until the AS game.

"As-pi-ra-tion!"

"Plant a tree!"

Or just Ballmer's name in loooooong chant, like they do in hockey targeting a player who stinks it up.
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Post#1812 » by Karmaloop » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:24 pm

JDR720 wrote:Ballmer should be removed from ownership.

This is how blatantly corrupt this whole thing is.

Now anything happening at all is up for debate, of course. These days being blatantly corrupt is just a standard part business/politics etc.


Ballmer won't be removed from ownership. If they thought removing Sterling was ugly, this is going to be a whole different level of ugly. I'd anticipate a yearlong suspension for those involved, loss of draft picks that the Clippers still control, and a large fine if anything ends up happening.
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Post#1813 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:26 pm

One thing I would point out is I would be surprised if Ballmer does really stupid things, because it was proven multiple times when he was running Microsoft…
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Post#1814 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:28 pm

Pablo is the real bomb of NBA reporting…
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Post#1815 » by madmaxmedia » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:30 pm

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The Master wrote:Whoa.

New episode, strongly recommend the full version, that was quite entertaining.

Also - in today's episode - Torre said that the second investment (10 mil $) was for a price of ... 23$ even though the company was in default and no one wanted to invest in it at that point. :lol:

Re: episode - I don't see any summaries on Twitter yet, so I watched the full episode: it was a huge rebutal to two things Cuban was constantly saying:

1. Ballmer would've invested more in the company if he had wanted to cover up Kawhi scam.
2. Ballmer would've invested in the carbon credits because it was safer option.

According to Torre today:

1. Clippers did invest in carbon credits.

2. No one wanted to invest in Aspiration in March 2023; testimonies from Aspiration workers say that they were in shock that anyone wanted to invest in the company in 2023 (Ballmer) as it was well known that Aspiration is in default and in pretty awful situation.

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First and foremost - the point Torre makes in the last episode is that Ballmer indeed tried to invest in the company as much as it was possible to pay off Kawhi and both his payments and the cooperation between the Clippers and Aspiration stopped when federal investigation started.

Also: the first 50 mil $ investment was already spent by Aspiration before Kawhi agreement as the company didn't have any money in the early 2022. Here, carbon credits come out. April 4th 2022 was a moment when both Kawhi deal was signed and the Clippers payment for carbon credits happened. So we thought that 50 mil $ from Ballmer was directly for Kawhi payment, it looks like it goes waaaaay beyond our earlier assumptions.

Also: we're talking direct Clippers investments in carbon credits signed by the Clippers CFO, if someone still needs direct connections between both parties.

It also shows the scale of what happened - Clippers and Ballmer literally invested almost ~120 mil $ in Aspiration, it clearly shows why Aspiration was willing to pay that much to Kawhi and that literally almost no one in the NBA would've been able to run similar scheme.

At this point, it's hard to wrap up everything of what happened.


I have to remind everyone, Cuban isn't helping Ballmer. He's cornering him.

That being said, I'm still trying to digest the carbon credit purchases. That was part that caught me off guard. While I suspected Ballmer was bankrolling Aspiration's operation is the reason why Kawhi's payments were such high priority, I did not think Ballmer would be brazen enough to do so with the Clippers buying carbon credits directly.

The investment part was exactly what I expected and commented multiple times earlier. Ballmer can't keep throwing money into Aspiration in perpetuity without triggering the NBA reporting requirements. As expected, as Aspiration financial troubles grew, the harder it was to support the investment valuation Ballmer is investigating at.

To me, whether the $50 million went directly to Kawhi didn't matter. It's like if I gave you $3000 in cash so you can write a cheque to me for the same amount, it doesn't matter if you have $10,000 in your bank account that you later claim the $3000 is separate from the $10,000. The money trail is clear.


I didn't listen to the whole episode, but the main takeaway seems to be that the carbon credit purchases and especially the later Wong and Ballmer investments essentially were put into the company to pay off Kawhi, with the latter being the most obviously fishy and calling into question the all the financial transactions between all involved parties. So yeah, the exact literal money transfers within the company really don't matter.

- Why would a failing company struggling to pay employees prioritize large payments for no show/questionable sponsorship deal over well, just about anything else to actually save the company?
- Why would Dennis Wong invest $2M into what was obviously a failing company at that point? Even the minimum amount of due diligence would have called into question the viability of the company (including talking to your own daughter).
- Why would Ballmer invest another $10M into the company even later, at what everyone else knew to be a ridiculous valuation of $23/share? Anyone else would be buying into the company at pennies on the dollar at that point (unless you needed to keep ownership below a certain amount.) Of course the larger question is why would anyone invest at all?

I just don't see any plausible deniability here. The NBA is going to take its time because it has to. Whether you think Silver is going to try to do the right thing or not, they need to uncover every stone in order to get to the bottom of this, whether it is to assess a proper ruling or to cover its own tracks in absolving Ballmer. They can't come out and quickly absolve him, and then have more damning info come out afterwards.

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the opening scene of Michael Clayton-
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Post#1816 » by madmaxmedia » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:34 pm

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JDR720 wrote:Ballmer should be removed from ownership.

This is how blatantly corrupt this whole thing is.

Now anything happening at all is up for debate, of course. These days being blatantly corrupt is just a standard part business/politics etc.


Ballmer won't be removed from ownership. If they thought removing Sterling was ugly, this is going to be a whole different level of ugly. I'd anticipate a yearlong suspension for those involved, loss of draft picks that the Clippers still control, and a large fine if anything ends up happening.


Removing Sterling was easy, that was the popular choice and no one actually liked him, nor did he spend enough money for the NBA and owners to want to keep him around. It would be a lot tougher with Ballmer, considering he just built a new stadium with his own money.

The way things are looking (for the moment), I do think the TWolves punishment is a pretty good starting point. A long suspension for Ballmer (which will hurt him personally), multiple draft picks, and voiding Kawhi's contract (though he will be free to sign a new one anywhere he wants.) Also, the money paid under the table to Kawhi will be retroactively applied against the Clippers cap for those years.
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Post#1817 » by TinmanZBoy » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:35 pm

manlisten wrote:Yea who is spotrac to report that information? Don't they just keep record of player contracts etc? It's like if basketball reference started reporting breaking news.


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Post#1818 » by G R E Y » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:39 pm

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Post#1820 » by tamaraw08 » Thu Sep 18, 2025 4:54 pm

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tamaraw08 wrote:I am very intrigue with how GSW and new Lakers owners with also deep pockets approach this.
Do they push for a much harsher punishment and take out the Clippers for the next 8 years at least?
Or do they want a mere slap on the wrist so they can duplicate the Ballmer Template and start acquiring superstars under the table?
meanwhile cheap owners contended to just sit and watch them, wondering which side would give them the highest revenue.

Big markets already have enormous handicap just for being big markets - so they can acquire LeBrons, Brunsons, Kawhis, Durants or Irvings. They don't need that much additional advantage here. Ignoring speculations that they were using constantly similar tactics in the past, obviously.

On the other hand - situation in which they have to bargain with under the table money to the extent that Clippers did (we literally talk +100 MIL $ investment in Aspiration and 50 MIL $ additional salary for Kawhi), is increasing costs of their position.

So yeah, I believe that in everyone's interest is to punish Clippers severely from pure competition perspective: small owners / small markets are f**** if any similar scheme like Aspiration gate is possible, big markets already are in advantage on the free agency to the extent that they don't need to increase costs of their investments.

Ballmer is just a unicorn of being obsessed about basketball, being in big market and having much more money than anyone else to invest in the way he did in order to cheat.


There is salary cap in place and also California has one of the highest tax bracket and highest cost of living.

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