Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Simons is kind of like Brogdon except better, younger and less injury prone.

NO HE ISNT!!!!


LOLOLOL


Cannot believe this needs said but Brogdon is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, defender, more efficient and is much stronger than Simons.

More efficient? Here's how many seasons each of them were above league average TS% through their age 25 season:
Simons: 3
Brogdon: 0

Better passer? Here's how may seasons each of them was at 18% or higher assist% through their age 25 season:
Simons: 4
Brogdon: 1

Better shooter? Here's how many full seasons (50+ games) each was above league average from 3 through age 25 season:
Simons: 4
Brogdon: 1

That 1 season for Brogdon shooting above league average from 3 was on less than 3 attempts per game, so not very high volume. The volume for Simons when he was over league average from 3? 4.4, 7.8, 9.1, 8.5 3PA/game which is way higher volume than Brogdon had at just 2.6 3PA/game

Brogdon perhaps slightly stronger but Simons is perhaps quicker and more athletic. As far as rebounding, Brogdon TRB% during his seasons through age 25 was about 6%. Simons career TRB% through age 25 season is 5%, so Brogdon is higher but just barely.

Brogdon was on better teams with better coaching. So therefore it was easier for him to have good efficiency and assist numbers..

Also, the post I made you replied to said Simons is better, younger and less injury prone. Even if you don't agree that Simons is better, how can you possibly debate that Simons is younger and less injury prone? Like what are we doing here..because when you put LOL a bunch of times and say no he isn't in claps like some crazy angry person, that implies you agree with all of my post..

[Celts17Pride]

According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

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According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

Good to know..but not really any new info..

[Larry_Russell]

Simons is kind of like Brogdon except better, younger and less injury prone.

NO HE ISNT!!!!


LOLOLOL


Cannot believe this needs said but Brogdon is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, defender, more efficient and is much stronger than Simons.

More efficient? Here's how many seasons each of them were above league average TS% through their age 25 season:
Simons: 3
Brogdon: 0

Better passer? Here's how may seasons each of them was at 18% or higher assist% through their age 25 season:
Simons: 4
Brogdon: 1

Better shooter? Here's how many full seasons (50+ games) each was above league average from 3 through age 25 season:
Simons: 4
Brogdon: 1

That 1 season for Brogdon shooting above league average from 3 was on less than 3 attempts per game, so not very high volume. The volume for Simons when he was over league average from 3? 4.4, 7.8, 9.1, 8.5 3PA/game which is way higher volume than Brogdon had at just 2.6 3PA/game

Brogdon perhaps slightly stronger but Simons is perhaps quicker and more athletic. As far as rebounding, Brogdon TRB% during his seasons through age 25 was about 6%. Simons career TRB% through age 25 season is 5%, so Brogdon is higher but just barely.

Brogdon was on better teams with better coaching. So therefore it was easier for him to have good efficiency and assist numbers..

lol

Sure...

Convenient you are comparing 7 seasons for Simons to only 2 for Brogdon (age 25 and under stuff)


Brogdon, when traded to the Celtics, was a superior player to Simons in all areas. They were trading for the 2021 Brogdon (not 2022 version that was held out of lineups for tanking and his Achilles)

21ppg, 5.3rpg, 6apg, 1spg, 39% on 6.7-3pta in 35 mins per game.

Anfernee was sent to us because it was all the Jrue could fetch that was an expiring.
19.3ppg, 2.7rpg, 4.8apg, 1spg, 36.3% on 8.5-3pta

[Smart2Nesmith43]

NO HE ISNT!!!!


LOLOLOL


Cannot believe this needs said but Brogdon is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, defender, more efficient and is much stronger than Simons.

He's so good he got an unguaranteed contract lmao. Tell me again how dollars is Simons guaranteed this year? Is it zero?

Compare apples to apples.

Not talk8ng about brogdon this year...nice try though

Then why are you using the present tense ?

[Larry_Russell]

He's so good he got an unguaranteed contract lmao. Tell me again how dollars is Simons guaranteed this year? Is it zero?

Compare apples to apples.

Not talk8ng about brogdon this year...nice try though

Then why are you using the present tense ?

I dont understand what you are saying.

I responded to a post talking about the value of what was traded for Brogdon and what was traded for Simons.

And then someone posted that Simons is making more money this season and Brogdon has a non-guaranteed contract.

And comparing 2025-26 Brogdon to the Brogdon we the brogdon we traded for is apples to oranges.

You have to compare Brogdon we traded for to Simons we traded for otherwise it is disingenuous.

[Smart2Nesmith43]

Compare apples to apples.

Not talk8ng about brogdon this year...nice try though

Then why are you using the present tense ?

I dont understand what you are saying.

I responded to a post talking about the value of what was traded for Brogdon and what was traded for Simons.

And then someone posted that Simons is making more money this season and Brogdon has a non-guaranteed contract.

And comparing 2025-26 Brogdon to the Brogdon we the brogdon we traded for is apples to oranges.

You have to compare Brogdon we traded for to Simons we traded for otherwise it is disingenuous.

Then why not say that Brogdon at the time the Celtics traded for him was a better player than Simons when he was acquired by Boston ? Because when you say "Brogdon is a better shooter, passer, rebounder, defender, more efficient and is much stronger than Simons.", it's implied you are talking about the current versions of those players not the Simons from a couple months ago and the Brogdon from three years ago. To then act like people are trying to move the goal posts on you because they make the most logical interpretation of what you have written is a bit weird.

[Celts17Pride]

According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

[redslastlaugh]

I read this as Boston would like to lower their salary cap before the season starts but counterparties are seeking draft compensation that Brad doesn't want to give up.

I think every team, after BRK acquired Kobe Bufkin's contract into their open space, is now above the salary floor, so no team has to add salary before the season.

I think this means Simons (most likely) is gonna be playing for the Celtics to start the year.

According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

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According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

I'm aware.

There's no new information in the article, though.

Brett Siegel and Jake Fischer have just kept on recycling the same "report" since summer league. The keywords there are "It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts."

In other words, no deal has ever really come close to the finish line and that is still the case today.

[redslastlaugh]

An article like this, I don't know if Siegel called his team sources last week and teams said, "Boston's been calling looking for Simons trades but we're too far apart," or if Siegel has not spoken to any sources in the last week and he is simply regurgitating the status quo info because he needs to post some content and resetting old news gets clicks too... so I don't know

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

I'm aware.

There's no new information in the article, though.

[Dogen]

I'll post this again

Game 1 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 4/21 from the field and 2/15 from 3.
Game 1 vs the knicks - OT - Celtics shoot shot 2/8 rom the field and 1/3 from 3.
Game 2 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 5/24 from the field and 2/11 from 3.

Tatum, Brown and White need players around them that can score. Scoring has always been and always will be the alpha in the game of basketball.

Basically this, if Simons can become a more complete player and is willing to sign a team friendly deal next summer with the Celtics. Otherwise, it's just a nice interlude this season, a guy to get us a few wins but won't really move the needle for the team with Tatum out.

But if he's good with the team, it will be an upgrade offensively to what Holiday was bringing, and the out of commission Porzingis, too.

All we can do is wait and see. Having a second scorer to Brown is certainly not a bad thing, except for those in the tank crowd I suppose.

[redslastlaugh]

Man, looking at the game 1 stats you just posted, I'm just getting mad all over again, lol

I'll post this again

Game 1 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 4/21 from the field and 2/15 from 3.
Game 1 vs the knicks - OT - Celtics shoot shot 2/8 rom the field and 1/3 from 3.
Game 2 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 5/24 from the field and 2/11 from 3.

Tatum, Brown and White need players around them that can score. Scoring has always been and always will be the alpha in the game of basketball.

[Dogen]

I read this as Boston would like to lower their salary cap before the season starts but counterparties are seeking draft compensation that Brad doesn't want to give up.

I think every team, after BRK acquired Kobe Bufkin's contract into their open space, is now above the salary floor, so no team has to add salary before the season.

I think this means Simons (most likely) is gonna be playing for the Celtics to start the year.

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

That seems to be about the gist of it.

Unless Brad does some Alpha Brad things, we're going in with Simons. I'd rather keep him then Brad make a deal that loses valuable capital. As for the cap, that's for the new owners to decide. Maybe they are OK with the current tax level. I'd rather not have big moves this close to the start of camp. The trade deadline will be another opportunity when teams are looking to make adjustments for playoff runs. Simons has a chance to increase his perceived value.

[Dogen]

Man, looking at the game 1 stats you just posted, I'm just getting mad all over again, lol

I'll post this again

Game 1 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 4/21 from the field and 2/15 from 3.
Game 1 vs the knicks - OT - Celtics shoot shot 2/8 rom the field and 1/3 from 3.
Game 2 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 5/24 from the field and 2/11 from 3.

Tatum, Brown and White need players around them that can score. Scoring has always been and always will be the alpha in the game of basketball.

2/15 from 3 in the 4th q. My eyes!!!

I've been repressing that...

[redslastlaugh]

Man, looking at the game 1 stats you just posted, I'm just getting mad all over again, lol

I'll post this again

Game 1 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 4/21 from the field and 2/15 from 3.
Game 1 vs the knicks - OT - Celtics shoot shot 2/8 rom the field and 1/3 from 3.
Game 2 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 5/24 from the field and 2/11 from 3.

Tatum, Brown and White need players around them that can score. Scoring has always been and always will be the alpha in the game of basketball.

2/15 from 3 in the 4th q. My eyes!!!

I've been repressing that...

lol ... I just saw a reddit thread about the Knicks series and was reading the comments and had that same sentiment, "My EYES!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1kftjy2/murray_there_have_been_23_instances_where_a_team/

lol ... this year will be better on the eyes!

[Shak_Celts]

Man, looking at the game 1 stats you just posted, I'm just getting mad all over again, lol

2/15 from 3 in the 4th q. My eyes!!!

I've been repressing that...

lol ... I just saw a reddit thread about the Knicks series and was reading the comments and had that same sentiment, "My EYES!"

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1kftjy2/murray_there_have_been_23_instances_where_a_team/

lol ... this year will be better on the eyes!

we hope.

[jmr07019]

According to Brett Siegel:

As the Boston Celtics continue to explore ways to cut costs, they have held discussions with a few teams about Simons' value and what a potential deal could look like since Summer League in July, sources said. It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/nba-stories/giannis-lebron-4-key-questions-define-2025-26-nba-season

Good to know..but not really any new info..

They've been regurgitating the same thing for 4 months now

[Fierce1]

Good to know..but not really any new info..

Dated September 17th.

I'm aware.

There's no new information in the article, though.

Brett Siegel and Jake Fischer have just kept on recycling the same "report" since summer league. The keywords there are "It does not appear as if there is any immediate traction on a deal involving the sharpshooting guard before the season starts."

In other words, no deal has ever really come close to the finish line and that is still the case today.

I thought Simons would be surely gone when players like Connaughton can be aggregated?

Simons was supposed to be gone by Sep. 7, Sep. 9, Sep. 10, Sep. 15 even!

At this juncture, trading Simons is highly unlikely as training camp is less than 2 weeks away.

[jmr07019]

I'll post this again

Game 1 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 4/21 from the field and 2/15 from 3.
Game 1 vs the knicks - OT - Celtics shoot shot 2/8 rom the field and 1/3 from 3.
Game 2 vs the knicks - quarter 4 - Celtics shot 5/24 from the field and 2/11 from 3.

Tatum, Brown and White need players around them that can score. Scoring has always been and always will be the alpha in the game of basketball.

Basically this, if Simons can become a more complete player and is willing to sign a team friendly deal next summer with the Celtics. Otherwise, it's just a nice interlude this season, a guy to get us a few wins but won't really move the needle for the team with Tatum out.

But if he's good with the team, it will be an upgrade offensively to what Holiday was bringing, and the out of commission Porzingis, too.

All we can do is wait and see. Having a second scorer to Brown is certainly not a bad thing, except for those in the tank crowd I suppose.

Fair enough.

I've never understood the pessimism around Simons next contract. Yes it is a risk but it is a risk with every player.

As you said, we will just have to wait and see. I'm looking forward to having something new to talk about lol.