Bucks - Raptors

[Godaddycurse]

too much messages are talking about "Barrett is better than Kuzma"
this is the base for the trade hypotesis

in fact the idea is that Bucks send a FRP (in addition to Kuzma and Jackson) to the Raptors
the FRP is 2031 when probably Bucks will not be a playoff team

So what is the point for toronto if the pick is lottery protected

[nolian]

too much messages are talking about "Barrett is better than Kuzma"
this is the base for the trade hypotesis

in fact the idea is that Bucks send a FRP (in addition to Kuzma and Jackson) to the Raptors
the FRP is 2031 when probably Bucks will not be a playoff team

So what is the point for toronto if the pick is lottery protected

first of all they can't resign Barrett, because,
when Barrett contract ended, they have 146M$ with only 7 players, so if they resign Barret, they will be near to 200M with only 8 players

in second, the FRP is protected, but like other times happen, if the pick doesn't materialize in 2031, will replicated in next year with less protection

PS: sometimes a lottery protected pick, of a lottery team, is better than an unprotected FRP of a contender team (for example look at the 2025 Pistons FRP sent from the Knicks to the Timberwolves, and look at the unprotected FRP sent from the Timberwolves to the Jazz)

[Godaddycurse]

too much messages are talking about "Barrett is better than Kuzma"
this is the base for the trade hypotesis

in fact the idea is that Bucks send a FRP (in addition to Kuzma and Jackson) to the Raptors
the FRP is 2031 when probably Bucks will not be a playoff team

So what is the point for toronto if the pick is lottery protected

first of all they can't resign Barrett, because,
when Barrett contract ended, they have 146M$ with only 7 players, so if they resign Barret, they will be near to 200M with only 8 players

in second, the FRP is protected, but like other times happen, if the pick doesn't materialize in 2031, will replicated in next year with less protection

PS: sometimes a lottery protected pick, of a lottery team, is better than an unprotected FRP of a contender team (for example look at the 2025 Pistons FRP sent from the Knicks to the Timberwolves, and look at the unprotected FRP sent from the Timberwolves to the Jazz)

OP is phrased like the pick doesnt carry over.
We can re-sign barrett if we give up on agbaji or Dick, or if Ingram leaves in FA.

[AussieBuck]

The Bucks aren't blowing one the few trade assets we have on a Barrett level guy regardless of how bad Kuzma is.

[Thaddy]

The Bucks aren't blowing one the few trade assets we have on a Barrett level guy regardless of how bad Kuzma is.

Kuzma is probably the worst big contract player in the NBA. RJ improved last year and in general since he's been in the Raptors. They'll probably keep and extend him for a lower amount than he's getting now. He will be their second option next season and he's been great in that role for them before. His rim pressure or driving ability works well with Barnes. He is very likely to have a career year based on everything that's going on.

[giannis and 1]

RJBarret x K.Kuzma + A.Jackson/T.Smith + future FPR lottery protected

why for Raptors
they have too much player in back court: Quicley, Shaed, Dick, -Barrett-, Walter, Agbaji, Roddy
they have Ingram and and Barnes at SFn and in addition Rossy, Murray-Boyles, Battle
they can't re-sign Barrett after this contract because they already have a lot of cap invested on Barnes, Ingram, Quickley, so the can trade Barrett to invest in other role, and take a FRP

why for Bucks
Kuzma is out of project
Barrett is better than anyone other of thier backcourt


RAPTORS
Dick, Ingram, Barnes, Kuzma, Poetl
Quickley, Walter, Shaed, Agbaji, Battle, Murray-Boyles, Mogbo, Mamukelashvili

BUCKS
ColeAnthony, Barrett, Prince, Giannis, Turner
Rollins, K.PorterJr, G.TrentJr, AJGreen, Coffey, Portis

Really bad for the Bucks. No thanks.

You can have Smith for a protected 2nd.

[AussieBuck]

The Bucks aren't blowing one the few trade assets we have on a Barrett level guy regardless of how bad Kuzma is.

Kuzma is probably the worst big contract player in the NBA. RJ improved last year and in general since he's been in the Raptors. They'll probably keep and extend him for a lower amount than he's getting now. He will be their second option next season and he's been great in that role for them before. His rim pressure or driving ability works well with Barnes. He is very likely to have a career year based on everything that's going on.

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

[Thaddy]

The Bucks aren't blowing one the few trade assets we have on a Barrett level guy regardless of how bad Kuzma is.

Kuzma is probably the worst big contract player in the NBA. RJ improved last year and in general since he's been in the Raptors. They'll probably keep and extend him for a lower amount than he's getting now. He will be their second option next season and he's been great in that role for them before. His rim pressure or driving ability works well with Barnes. He is very likely to have a career year based on everything that's going on.

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

[AussieBuck]

Kuzma is probably the worst big contract player in the NBA. RJ improved last year and in general since he's been in the Raptors. They'll probably keep and extend him for a lower amount than he's getting now. He will be their second option next season and he's been great in that role for them before. His rim pressure or driving ability works well with Barnes. He is very likely to have a career year based on everything that's going on.

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

We won't use the pick, we'll package it with salary and a swap for a needle mover if/when one comes up. We have one more shot to fire, I doubt Barrett will be it unless there's a reason for a panic move

[Thaddy]

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

We won't use the pick, we'll package it with salary and a swap for a needle mover if/when one comes up. We have one more shot to fire, I doubt Barrett will be it unless there's a reason for a panic move

RJ is a needle mover and continues to project as being one. He was a positive for the first time in his career when he was initially traded to Toronto. Despite a down year that was filled with injury and thus removed him from his expected role he continued to be a positive impact player last year with better defense. His value is higher than a mid to late first. The same goes for any "needle mover" you'll see shopped around in the league.

[jbk1234]

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

We won't use the pick, we'll package it with salary and a swap for a needle mover if/when one comes up. We have one more shot to fire, I doubt Barrett will be it unless there's a reason for a panic move

RJ is a needle mover and continues to project as being one. He was a positive for the first time in his career when he was initially traded to Toronto. Despite a down year that was filled with injury and thus removed him from his expected role he continued to be a positive impact player last year with better defense. His value is higher than a mid to late first. The same goes for any "needle mover" you'll see shopped around in the league.

If the rest of the NBA, or even a single team agreed with your assessment of Barret, he'd no longer be on the Raptors roster.

[Thaddy]

We won't use the pick, we'll package it with salary and a swap for a needle mover if/when one comes up. We have one more shot to fire, I doubt Barrett will be it unless there's a reason for a panic move

RJ is a needle mover and continues to project as being one. He was a positive for the first time in his career when he was initially traded to Toronto. Despite a down year that was filled with injury and thus removed him from his expected role he continued to be a positive impact player last year with better defense. His value is higher than a mid to late first. The same goes for any "needle mover" you'll see shopped around in the league.

If the rest of the NBA, or even a single team agreed with your assessment of Barret, he'd no longer be on the Raptors roster.

Most teams are holding out and low balling until the deadline now. The Raptors have fielded calls and maintained a high asking price.

[JRoy]

Kuzma is probably the worst big contract player in the NBA. RJ improved last year and in general since he's been in the Raptors. They'll probably keep and extend him for a lower amount than he's getting now. He will be their second option next season and he's been great in that role for them before. His rim pressure or driving ability works well with Barnes. He is very likely to have a career year based on everything that's going on.

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

RJs mom wouldn’t give a lotto pick for him.

If TOR gets an offer for any FRP likely to convey for RJ they should take it.

[Crymson]

Kuzma is so bad and East is wide open enough this year that it might make a difference between a first round exit vs deeper run. A lottery protected first in 2031 isnt worth very much either. Solid chance it wont convey if Giannis is post prime/goes elsewhere.

I would pass for raptors since we are trying to win this year

Exchanging Kuzma for Barrett isn't going to make the Bucks a contender. The Bucks having gotten a whole lot worse is one of the reasons for the East being so weak next season.

That said, the Bucks also have no business giving away a future 1st of any sort at this point. And Barrett ain't worth that in the first place.

[Thaddy]

All of this could be true and it doesn't impact on what I have posted at all. The bucks can just play Kuzma 10-15 minutes a game at SF or not at all and then punt him as a mid range contract expiring after the season instead of blowing a rare asset on an expensive mediocre player.

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

RJs mom wouldn’t give a lotto pick for him.

If TOR gets an offer for any FRP likely to convey for RJ they should take it.

The chance you find a better player than RJ from 10th to 30th in the draft is less than 5%. As I said he's still young and he's shown growth after the trade to Toronto on both ends. That's all you can really hope for.

[JRoy]

Kuzma and RJ have the same years left. Kuzma is older and worse. RJ was a top 3 pick in his draft. In what world does a non lottery first (which might not even convey) worth RJ?

Have you looked at RJs stats when he first arrived in Toronto? Massive improvement. Chances are you won't be finding a better player than him in the late teens to early 20s.

RJs mom wouldn’t give a lotto pick for him.

If TOR gets an offer for any FRP likely to convey for RJ they should take it.

The chance you find a better player than RJ from 10th to 30th in the draft is less than 5%. As I said he's still young and he's shown growth after the trade to Toronto on both ends. That's all you can really hope for.

Not sure I agree with your odds.

You do get a less expansive asset, easy to combine with other assets.

RJ is pretty much salary filler.

[Thaddy]

RJs mom wouldn’t give a lotto pick for him.

If TOR gets an offer for any FRP likely to convey for RJ they should take it.

The chance you find a better player than RJ from 10th to 30th in the draft is less than 5%. As I said he's still young and he's shown growth after the trade to Toronto on both ends. That's all you can really hope for.

Not sure I agree with your odds.

You do get a less expansive asset, easy to combine with other assets.

RJ is pretty much salary filler.

RJ as a stronger starter with potential. In the last 2 drafts other than Keyonte George no one had more than 41 starts. A non lottery pick just isn't worth it.

When RJ was first traded to the Raptors he did great. He played as a lower option and had insane numbers on a ample sample size. 22/6/4 55% FG and 3P was 40%

[JRoy]

The chance you find a better player than RJ from 10th to 30th in the draft is less than 5%. As I said he's still young and he's shown growth after the trade to Toronto on both ends. That's all you can really hope for.

Not sure I agree with your odds.

You do get a less expansive asset, easy to combine with other assets.

RJ is pretty much salary filler.

RJ as a stronger starter with potential. In the last 2 drafts other than Keyonte George no one had more than 41 starts. A non lottery pick just isn't worth it.

When RJ was first traded to the Raptors he did great. He played as a lower option and had insane numbers on a ample sample size. 22/6/4 55% FG and 3P was 40%

Then why are you trying to move him?

Not one non TOR fan in this thread has offered anything of value for RJ.

That is not because they want RJ at a discount.

It’s because they don’t want him at all.

[Godaddycurse]

Not sure I agree with your odds.

You do get a less expansive asset, easy to combine with other assets.

RJ is pretty much salary filler.

RJ as a stronger starter with potential. In the last 2 drafts other than Keyonte George no one had more than 41 starts. A non lottery pick just isn't worth it.

When RJ was first traded to the Raptors he did great. He played as a lower option and had insane numbers on a ample sample size. 22/6/4 55% FG and 3P was 40%

Then why are you trying to move him?

Not one non TOR fan in this thread has offered anything of value for RJ.

That is not because they want RJ at a discount.

It’s because they don’t want him at all.

Toronto has been shopping him to get an upgrade, not for picks/to tank. they tried to attach their lotto pick to him to get white for example. I think if they cant find an obvious upgrade the team is happy to keep him and see how he fares in lower usage role/hope he becomes team canada version.

[JRoy]

RJ as a stronger starter with potential. In the last 2 drafts other than Keyonte George no one had more than 41 starts. A non lottery pick just isn't worth it.

When RJ was first traded to the Raptors he did great. He played as a lower option and had insane numbers on a ample sample size. 22/6/4 55% FG and 3P was 40%

Then why are you trying to move him?

Not one non TOR fan in this thread has offered anything of value for RJ.

That is not because they want RJ at a discount.

It’s because they don’t want him at all.

Toronto has been shopping him to get an upgrade, not for picks/to tank. they tried to attach their lotto pick to him to get white for example. I think if they cant find an obvious upgrade the team is happy to keep him and see how he fares in lower usage role/hope he becomes team canada version.

That seems reasonable.

He’d be a solid 6th man but he’s paid too much.