Why is there silence after another Jokic embarrassing defeat?

[Top10alltime]

I think there's 4 players - Jokic, Shai, Luka, Giannis who can all hold claim to being called the best player in the world.

I dont think Jokic has done enough or accomplished enough to be considered the unquestioned best. His playoff resume is thin outside of a historically weak 2023 NBA playoff field.

Why would you put Giannis on this list, considering his playoff resume is weaker? He's hasn't made it out of the first round in years. How is Luka on this list, considering he's never even won a championship? Clearly, you can't have this discussion with any sense of objectivity.

What Luka did in 24 playoffs was far more impressive than what Jokic did in 23 playoffs when you consider the competition faced by both respective teams.

Luka carried his team past 3 50 win teams, including the Timberwolves who took Jokic out in 24 and the OKC Thunder who took Jokic out the following year. Oh and none took him 7 games to do so. He just so happened to run into the Celtics who were one of the greatest teams we've seen this decade.

Contrast that to Jokic in 23, who beat play in Timberwolves who were missing Naz Reid, Jaden McDaniels, hurt Rudy Gobert. They beat the Suns who had KD and Booker and basically nobody else. KD and Booker only played 13 total games together before Jokic faced them in playoffs.

And they beat 43 win play in Lakers with 39 year old Lebron and Anthony Davis, who isn't a true center. And then they beat the Miami Heat who lost their first play in game. Miami was also without their most dynamic young scorer in Tyler Herro.

Jokic just beat his first 50 win team this this year. Luka beat 3 50 win teams in 24 alone and led the entire playoffs in points, rebounds, assists. Just vastly different levels of competition ill take Luka in 24 over Jokic 23.

You're wrong. Jokic was a better playmaker scorer and defender. I'll explain it later if you want me to.

[Dennis 37]

Because people all left the arena and the lights were turned off?

[Mirotic12]

Giannis is the reason you gained a bronze medal in this EuroBasket. Unless 30/17/6/2 ain't a "good game at an elimination round"(the game who decided who will get a medal).
Giannis is the only reason that the Hellenic team is sonewhat relevant.
Without him, we wouldn't even be in the final8 of every tournament in the last few years.

That wasn't an elimination game. The elimination game was against Turkey in the semis. Giannis had a bad game in that one, as he has always done now in 11 years of FIBA play.

Giannis has been bad against any decent FIBA national team, in the elimination rounds, for 11 years now.

And Greece, even without Giannis, had a better roster than Finland did. Even if Giannis sat out that game, Greece had a better team on paper than Finland.

So, just barely winning against a clearly inferior team, in a game he tried to choke away as well. Are we really actually supposed to pretend that is something special or great?

The level of credit some fans want to give NBA players for anything in FIBA is really amazing.

If you replaced Giannis, with any one of Papaloukas, Bourousis, Schortsanitis, Zisis, or Spanoulis, in the same situation of just having barely beaten a much worse Finland team, and having almost choked it away, they would have been very heavily criticized in Greek media, and Greek social media would be, at about a 90% rate, attacking them like crazy.

It's a very obvious and hugely glaring double standard, that if the player is in the NBA, all of a sudden, they are somehow magically above and beyond anything but pure praise, when it comes to FIBA results.

[Slimjimzv]

I don't know anything about FIBA, but the Nuggets only lost in the 2nd round because they faced the eventual NBA champions. If the standings had been different, the Nuggets would have made it to the WCF, and this argument would have fallen apart. The dude is the best player in the world. OP is one of those people who just wants to watch the world burn.

[SpurNani]

Bro had a great game on both ends, what's next be a player-coach like Bill Russell? Set screens for himself . You are focusing on his mid rim protection when he is a good PnR defender, and isn't afraid to contest shots at the expense of being persecuted by clueless people such as yourself.

Yeah, not even worth a response if you think Jokic had a good game on defense vs Finland. I showed video evidence of him being responsible for almost 20 points given up in one qtr, and even some of his biggest fans on this board admit he played lazy defense and came in overweight.

[SpurNani]

You're wrong. Jokic was a better playmaker scorer and defender. I'll explain it later if you want me to.

Please don't.

[SpurNani]

I don't know anything about FIBA, but the Nuggets only lost in the 2nd round because they faced the eventual NBA champions. If the standings had been different, the Nuggets would have made it to the WCF, and this argument would have fallen apart. The dude is the best player in the world. OP is one of those people who just wants to watch the world burn.

Im sure the Grizzlies are thinking the same thing right now... If only the standings were different, we would have made it to the WCF! You know that kind of sounds like a Scooby-Doo villain after they get caught..."If it wasn't for those meddling kids my plan would have worked...."

Jokic certainly has an argument for being the best player in the world with all the bulk stats he puts up on offense during the regular season.
But he hasn't impacted winning enough on the highest of levels against the best of teams consistently enough to be thought of as the unquestioned best.

Losing record vs winning teams last year during his all time great season. Just beat his first 50 win team in playoffs in 10 year career and it took another James Harden choke to secure that feat for him.

[Slimjimzv]

I don't know anything about FIBA, but the Nuggets only lost in the 2nd round because they faced the eventual NBA champions. If the standings had been different, the Nuggets would have made it to the WCF, and this argument would have fallen apart. The dude is the best player in the world. OP is one of those people who just wants to watch the world burn.

Im sure the Grizzlies are thinking the same thing right now... If only the standings were different, we would have made it to the WCF! You know that kind of sounds like a Scooby-Doo villain after they get caught..."If it wasn't for those meddling kids my plan would have worked...."

Jokic certainly has an argument for being the best player in the world with all the bulk stats he puts up on offense during the regular season.
But he hasn't impacted winning enough on the highest of levels against the best of teams consistently enough to be thought of as the unquestioned best.

Losing record vs winning teams last year during his all time great season last year. Just beat his first 50 win team in playoffs in 10 year career and it took another James Harden choke to secure it.

Did you watch the playoffs?

[Top10alltime]

Bro had a great game on both ends, what's next be a player-coach like Bill Russell? Set screens for himself . You are focusing on his mid rim protection when he is a good PnR defender, and isn't afraid to contest shots at the expense of being persecuted by clueless people such as yourself.

Yeah, not even worth a response if you think Jokic had a good game on defense vs Finland. I showed video evidence of him being responsible for almost 20 points given up in one qtr, and even some of his biggest fans on this board admit he played lazy defense and came in overweight.

Giannis had a worse defensive game against Finland. Why are you focusing on Jokic, what'd he do to you?

Show me the video evidence please, and I will concede.

Funny you didn't respond to the other points (because you can't debunk them). Jokic haters are like this I suppose

[Top10alltime]

You're wrong. Jokic was a better playmaker scorer and defender. I'll explain it later if you want me to.

Please don't.

How is Luka better? You can face better competition and still play worse on the court (exactly what Luka did). Luka isn't that good tbh, and your other guy who your hyping here who is Giannis is even worse (most overrated ever)

[SpurNani]

I don't know anything about FIBA, but the Nuggets only lost in the 2nd round because they faced the eventual NBA champions. If the standings had been different, the Nuggets would have made it to the WCF, and this argument would have fallen apart. The dude is the best player in the world. OP is one of those people who just wants to watch the world burn.

Im sure the Grizzlies are thinking the same thing right now... If only the standings were different, we would have made it to the WCF! You know that kind of sounds like a Scooby-Doo villain after they get caught..."If it wasn't for those meddling kids my plan would have worked...."

Jokic certainly has an argument for being the best player in the world with all the bulk stats he puts up on offense during the regular season.
But he hasn't impacted winning enough on the highest of levels against the best of teams consistently enough to be thought of as the unquestioned best.

Losing record vs winning teams last year during his all time great season last year. Just beat his first 50 win team in playoffs in 10 year career and it took another James Harden choke to secure it.

Did you watch the playoffs?

Yes. I watched him have a good series vs the Clippers but his scoring was a little limited going against Zubac so he did what a great player does and found other ways to hurt Clippers which was mainly through his passing. Not his best series but he acquitted himself well.

I watched him vs OKC have 2 great games where he looked like the guy all his fans say he is. Really stellar games that inflate his series numbers. But outside of those two games, I watched him go 8/25 and 1/6 from field in the 4th quarter of game 3. I watched him go 7/22 and miss 3 free throws in the 4th qtr of a tightly contested game 4 which his team lost. And then I watched the guy flat out quit and refuse to shoot in the 2nd half of game 7 vs OKC. I watched him turn the ball over 33 times that series alone.

[Slimjimzv]

Im sure the Grizzlies are thinking the same thing right now... If only the standings were different, we would have made it to the WCF! You know that kind of sounds like a Scooby-Doo villain after they get caught..."If it wasn't for those meddling kids my plan would have worked...."

Jokic certainly has an argument for being the best player in the world with all the bulk stats he puts up on offense during the regular season.
But he hasn't impacted winning enough on the highest of levels against the best of teams consistently enough to be thought of as the unquestioned best.

Losing record vs winning teams last year during his all time great season last year. Just beat his first 50 win team in playoffs in 10 year career and it took another James Harden choke to secure it.

Did you watch the playoffs?

Yes. I watched him have a good series vs the Clippers but his scoring was a little limited going against Zubac so he did what a great player does and found other ways to hurt Clippers which was mainly through his passing. Not his best series but he acquitted himself well.

I watched him vs OKC have 2 great games where he looked like the guy all his fans say he is. Really stellar games that inflate his series numbers. But outside of those two games, I watched him go 8/25 and 1/6 from field in the 4th quarter of game 3. I watched him go 7/22 and miss 3 free throws in the 4th qtr of a tightly contested game 4 which his team lost. And then I watched the guy flat out quit and refuse to shoot in the 2nd half of game 7 vs OKC. I watched him turn the ball over 33 times that series alone.

If you think Denver compared to Memphis, then you didn't watch the Memphis series.

[KGtabake]

Giannis is the reason you gained a bronze medal in this EuroBasket. Unless 30/17/6/2 ain't a "good game at an elimination round"(the game who decided who will get a medal).
Giannis is the only reason that the Hellenic team is sonewhat relevant.
Without him, we wouldn't even be in the final8 of every tournament in the last few years.

That wasn't an elimination game. The elimination game was against Turkey in the semis. Giannis had a bad game in that one, as he has always done now in 11 years of FIBA play.

Giannis has been bad against any decent FIBA national team, in the elimination rounds, for 11 years now.

And Greece, even without Giannis, had a better roster than Finland did. Even if Giannis sat out that game, Greece had a better team on paper than Finland.

So, just barely winning against a clearly inferior team, in a game he tried to choke away as well. Are we really actually supposed to pretend that is something special or great?

The level of credit some fans want to give NBA players for anything in FIBA is really amazing.

If you replaced Giannis, with any one of Papaloukas, Bourousis, Schortsanitis, Zisis, or Spanoulis, in the same situation of just having barely beaten a much worse Finland team, and having almost choked it away, they would have been very heavily criticized in Greek media, and Greek social media would be, at about a 90% rate, attacking them like crazy.

It's a very obvious and hugely glaring double standard, that if the player is in the NBA, all of a sudden, they are somehow magically above and beyond anything but pure praise, when it comes to FIBA results.

Ofc it was an elimination game.
It's a medal game. Either you win it either you don't.
And no, you're no better than Finland without Giannis.
You weren't even better than Bosnia without him and that's why you lost.
Papanikolaou which you admire i guess (i know i do) had 2 points against Turkey. T W O. But ypu always talk Giannis.
It's pretty obvious you always had an agenda against Antetokounmpo.
Even on this tournament, with an obvious mediocre roster you're posting ridiculous things that only you believe (better than Finland without Giannis lol).

You don't deserve that medal, do not celebrate it.

[CharityStripe34]

Giannis is the reason you gained a bronze medal in this EuroBasket. Unless 30/17/6/2 ain't a "good game at an elimination round"(the game who decided who will get a medal).
Giannis is the only reason that the Hellenic team is sonewhat relevant.
Without him, we wouldn't even be in the final8 of every tournament in the last few years.

That wasn't an elimination game. The elimination game was against Turkey in the semis. Giannis had a bad game in that one, as he has always done now in 11 years of FIBA play.

Giannis has been bad against any decent FIBA national team, in the elimination rounds, for 11 years now.

And Greece, even without Giannis, had a better roster than Finland did. Even if Giannis sat out that game, Greece had a better team on paper than Finland.

So, just barely winning against a clearly inferior team, in a game he tried to choke away as well. Are we really actually supposed to pretend that is something special or great?

The level of credit some fans want to give NBA players for anything in FIBA is really amazing.

If you replaced Giannis, with any one of Papaloukas, Bourousis, Schortsanitis, Zisis, or Spanoulis, in the same situation of just having barely beaten a much worse Finland team, and having almost choked it away, they would have been very heavily criticized in Greek media, and Greek social media would be, at about a 90% rate, attacking them like crazy.

It's a very obvious and hugely glaring double standard, that if the player is in the NBA, all of a sudden, they are somehow magically above and beyond anything but pure praise, when it comes to FIBA results.

This is embarrassing. Your closet favorite team Serbia lost to this same Finnish team three rounds prior. Just admit you have an agenda it's ok.

We had guards who could barely dribble past half court with any reasonable pressure. And a team captain who committed the most boneheaded foul of the game.

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[Mirotic12]

Ofc it was an elimination game.
It's a medal game. Either you win it either you don't.
And no, you're no better than Finland without Giannis.
You weren't even better than Bosnia without him and that's why you lost.
Papanikolaou which you admire i guess (i know i do) had 2 points against Turkey. T W O. But ypu always talk Giannis.
It's pretty obvious you always had an agenda against Antetokounmpo.
Even on this tournament, with an obvious mediocre roster you're posting ridiculous things that only you believe (better than Finland without Giannis lol).

You don't deserve that medal, do not celebrate it.

The only agenda in these FIBA related threads, is the totally absurd notion that we can't critique any big name NBA player for bad games in FIBA.

And it's always very ridiculous and obvious.

[Top10alltime]

Because that fat chubby Euro should have 5 MVPs according to most fans and is being called the best player since Michael Jordan. And that is an outright lie when you say he doesn't inspire many feelings on here positive or negative when the guy has a whole cult on here.

When he loses, its everyone else's fault. When he doesn't shoot in the entire 2nd half of a game 7 as he's being guarded by a 6'4 player, it's swept under the rug. When LeBron got guarded by little JJ Barea in the finals, we didn't hear the end of it.
When Kobe Bryant doesn't shoot, he's a quitter. With Jokic, its oh they are lucky to have even been dragged to game 7 by Jokic. When Jokic loses historic game 7 collapse on his homecourt to Minny I don't hear a word of it. But I still see pics of Joel Embiid crying when Kawhis shot went in. Why are only certain players scrutinized and made fun of in their failings?

Im just asking for RealGM to keep that same energy when their golden boy comes up short. I think Jokic is a great player, but he doesn't impact winning on the highest of levels like other all time greats.

I have never seen Jokic win a nba playoff series he wasnt favored in outside of Clippers 2020 bubble. I haven't seen him elevate his team and beat a team he wasnt supposed to beat, but ended up defeating because he was too great to be denied. And now in the Euros, when his national team is heavily favored, he can't get the job done without Bogdan Bogdanovic.

The man has only ever been to two conference finals in his career and we are calling him better than Hakeem? Nonsense.

This man is offcially the greatest Jokic hater of all-time. The level of hate he has gone to hate a clear top 15 player of all-time, is at levels we haven't seen before.

OP, I respect it. I respect your post, and this opinion. I'm not gonna take it personally, and call it a troll, people are getting so mad over an opinion, it's really just an opinion. And even though I highly disagree with this post to push your Jokic hate agendas, I highly respect it.

You know, if you actually want to show these people and tear down Jokic FC, then start up an anti-Jokic FC! I'm saying this because all of your posts, have been to hate Jokic, it is all filled with anti-Jokic posts.

So yeah, just what I have to say.

[Top10alltime]

Giannis is the reason you gained a bronze medal in this EuroBasket. Unless 30/17/6/2 ain't a "good game at an elimination round"(the game who decided who will get a medal).
Giannis is the only reason that the Hellenic team is sonewhat relevant.
Without him, we wouldn't even be in the final8 of every tournament in the last few years.

That wasn't an elimination game. The elimination game was against Turkey in the semis. Giannis had a bad game in that one, as he has always done now in 11 years of FIBA play.

Giannis has been bad against any decent FIBA national team, in the elimination rounds, for 11 years now.

And Greece, even without Giannis, had a better roster than Finland did. Even if Giannis sat out that game, Greece had a better team on paper than Finland.

So, just barely winning against a clearly inferior team, in a game he tried to choke away as well. Are we really actually supposed to pretend that is something special or great?

The level of credit some fans want to give NBA players for anything in FIBA is really amazing.

If you replaced Giannis, with any one of Papaloukas, Bourousis, Schortsanitis, Zisis, or Spanoulis, in the same situation of just having barely beaten a much worse Finland team, and having almost choked it away, they would have been very heavily criticized in Greek media, and Greek social media would be, at about a 90% rate, attacking them like crazy.

It's a very obvious and hugely glaring double standard, that if the player is in the NBA, all of a sudden, they are somehow magically above and beyond anything but pure praise, when it comes to FIBA results.

This is embarrassing. Your closet favorite team Serbia lost to this same Finnish team three rounds prior. Just admit you have an agenda it's ok.

We had guards who could barely dribble past half court with any reasonable pressure. And a team captain who committed the most boneheaded foul of the game.

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Butthurt Giiannis fans don't like to hear the truth, that Giannis sucks at basketball.

That Greece team was incredibly stacked. It was so stacked, that they had to cut off Nasos Bazinas (unpicked in 2025 NBA draft), and Nikos Chougkaz (unpicked in 2021 NBA draft). That team was so stacked, they needed to put Kostas and Thanasis on the bench. But Giannis failed miserably in the FIBA, and noone is talking about yet another failure from Giannis, because of almost no one knowing the truth about him, and his glazing FC. It's pathetic.

[CharityStripe34]

That wasn't an elimination game. The elimination game was against Turkey in the semis. Giannis had a bad game in that one, as he has always done now in 11 years of FIBA play.

Giannis has been bad against any decent FIBA national team, in the elimination rounds, for 11 years now.

And Greece, even without Giannis, had a better roster than Finland did. Even if Giannis sat out that game, Greece had a better team on paper than Finland.

So, just barely winning against a clearly inferior team, in a game he tried to choke away as well. Are we really actually supposed to pretend that is something special or great?

The level of credit some fans want to give NBA players for anything in FIBA is really amazing.

If you replaced Giannis, with any one of Papaloukas, Bourousis, Schortsanitis, Zisis, or Spanoulis, in the same situation of just having barely beaten a much worse Finland team, and having almost choked it away, they would have been very heavily criticized in Greek media, and Greek social media would be, at about a 90% rate, attacking them like crazy.

It's a very obvious and hugely glaring double standard, that if the player is in the NBA, all of a sudden, they are somehow magically above and beyond anything but pure praise, when it comes to FIBA results.

This is embarrassing. Your closet favorite team Serbia lost to this same Finnish team three rounds prior. Just admit you have an agenda it's ok.

We had guards who could barely dribble past half court with any reasonable pressure. And a team captain who committed the most boneheaded foul of the game.

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using RealGM mobile app

Butthurt Giiannis fans don't like to hear the truth, that Giannis sucks at basketball.

That Greece team was incredibly stacked. It was so stacked, that they had to cut off Nasos Bazinas (unpicked in 2025 NBA draft), and Nikos Chougkaz (unpicked in 2021 NBA draft). That team was so stacked, they needed to put Kostas and Thanasis on the bench. But Giannis failed miserably in the FIBA, and noone is talking about yet another failure from Giannis, because of almost no one knowing the truth about him, and his glazing FC. It's pathetic.

[Top10alltime]

This is embarrassing. Your closet favorite team Serbia lost to this same Finnish team three rounds prior. Just admit you have an agenda it's ok.

We had guards who could barely dribble past half court with any reasonable pressure. And a team captain who committed the most boneheaded foul of the game.

Sent from my Pixel 8 Pro using RealGM mobile app

Butthurt Giiannis fans don't like to hear the truth, that Giannis sucks at basketball.

That Greece team was incredibly stacked. It was so stacked, that they had to cut off Nasos Bazinas (unpicked in 2025 NBA draft), and Nikos Chougkaz (unpicked in 2021 NBA draft). That team was so stacked, they needed to put Kostas and Thanasis on the bench. But Giannis failed miserably in the FIBA, and noone is talking about yet another failure from Giannis, because of almost no one knowing the truth about him, and his glazing FC. It's pathetic.

Unfortunately, butthurt Giannis fans like you don't like to hear the truth, that Giannis sucks. He failed with the most stacked team in FIBA, and people are quick to dismiss it, so they can keep glazing Giannis for his fake accomplishments, and dismiss his millions of failures. It's pathetic, Giannis fans would rather die on a hill, than admit how bad he is, and that he's not top 47 all-time.

[Dick Tate]

You found your hill to die on. Congrats.