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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3181 » by xdrta+ » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:07 am

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Onus wrote:How does a po/non guarantee work? If he picks it up and then the warriors cut him because there’s no guarantee isn’t that just a team option?


Except there can't be two options so you do it this way. JK can get out of the 3rd year and so can GS. With the team option JK is at the mercy of the Warriors.


So similar to how the kings structured derozens deal?

Demar got 3/75.

The first 2 years are fully guaranteed for 48M.

The 3rd year is guaranteed for only 10M. But with team incentives that last year could increase.

Give jk that 3/75

First 2 years guaranteed.

3rd year 5M guaranteed. 10M guaranteed after a certain date
+5M if they win a chip.
+10M if they win b2b chips
+2M if AS
+3M if B2B AS

Should easily be doable since his team already said if he gets paid , he will buy in and get steph his rings.


DeRozan doesn't have a PO, though. JK wants to be able to walk away so he needs a PO.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3182 » by Crazy-Canuck » Fri Sep 19, 2025 6:43 am

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No such thing as bad advertising. Ill give him credit, everyone knows who he is now in that used car salesman kinda way.

Its almost like...kuminga going to the media then kerr starting to give him minutes.

Going back to the well. Worked once, why not twice especially with lacob in his back pocket.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3183 » by NW » Fri Sep 19, 2025 12:42 pm

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No such thing as bad advertising. Ill give him credit, everyone knows who he is now in that used car salesman kinda way.

Its almost like...kuminga going to the media then kerr starting to give him minutes.

Going back to the well. Worked once, why not twice especially with lacob in his back pocket.


He's also a guest on the Hoop Collective episode today with Windhorst and Slater and going to be on with Steinmetz on 95.7 today
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3184 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 12:44 pm

Anthony Slater and Aaron Turner (Kuminga's agent) is on today's (Sep 19th) Hoop Collective with Brian Windhorst.

The big point is that other teams are willing to let Kuminga play his game whereas in Golden State he'll have to limit his game as they try to win another championship. (Odd that he's willing to do that now but last season when he came back while GS was trying to move up in the standings, he didn't do that). Turner said he's had to educate Kuminga on GS's situation with money and aprons, but the agent says they "like" J.Johnsons and J.Green's deal numbers and if they're taking less money in season 1 then they got, they want the player option.

Turner brings up Kerr wanting Kuminga to have a player arc more like S.Marion or A.Gordon and the agent doesn't agree he's like them and Turner doesn't agree, he thinks he's different.

Interesting... Anthony Slater had to stop Aaron Turner's negatives of Kuminga rant around the 22 minute mark in the youtube video. The agent started going down the rabbit hole of taking shots he shouldn't take and playing with Steph and how they need him to flourish in the role of looking for Steph first... then he said it JK is 22 and would think I can get downhill right way <Slater interrupts>.

To me, this looks like Aaron Turner's being an agent and this is his big last push to get fans to help put pressure on GS by going public. Personally, I think GS has already caved too much already (and the agent wants them to cave even more) and like I mentioned, Kuminga has had his chance to help the team by playing a role and didn't last season (which the agent was addressing before Slater interrupted him), but it'll be different this year if he's given a PO... nah. He wants the contract and then they'll figure out how to get him where he wants, the PO will help him pick where he's going and also limit GS's return in a trade since he can become a FA 1 1/2 seasons once he gets to his new team. Who's throwing a decent amount of assets at Kuminga to basically advertise him for the rest of the league?

I'd expect the agent will try to not go down the negative's rabbit hole when doing public talks with Kuminga in the near future.

Windhorst tries to help afterwards saying if I were the warriors I'd try to squeeze you too (indicating Kuminga is worth more?).

This is how you screw up a maximizing a season, even if Kuminga does give it the old college try of playing how Kerr wants (which I'm not sure he'll even try to play that way), I'd expect frustration will happen for him very quickly and go to how he wants to play, have a sizable contract backing him up and then Kerr, the FO and Lacob will all have different ways of handling this situation and this will be a problem for a team trying to maximize this year and possibly next year's team. If he plays and plays his way he screws up the offense, if he doesn't play the FO and Lacob will say you're dropping his trade value.

Had Kuminga came back after his injury, saw the team was doing well and wanted to contribute to winning he would have played the role Kerr wanted him to, gotten more minutes, made GS a better team and probably got him the contract he wanted from GS (and then could have pushed to be traded if he wanted). Instead, he came back, looked to play the game he wanted to play and now it's a huge mess. He could have been a key contributor last season but wasn't... and now a PO will get him to change how he's playing for the next 2 possibly 3 years... that's highly doubtful in my opinion, he had his chance and didn't take it but his agent (not Kuminga) promises it'll be different if given a PO....


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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3185 » by Onus » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:37 pm

Jk is different from Marion and Gordon. They play defense and he doesn’t. If jk was an above average defender he’d probably be signed already.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3186 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 1:49 pm

Onus wrote:Jk is different from Marion and Gordon. They play defense and he doesn’t. If jk was an above average defender he’d probably be signed already.

True on the defense and also, Gordon who is highly athletic and had good size had a better all-around game than Kuminga early on in his career, he just was a disappointment for what Orlando wanted him to be and cashed out on him. Gordon got traded and settled into a role and has been a key player for Denver. Neither guy is a #1 (although Gordon and Kuminga could handle that in spot starts), probably not a #2 but BOTH could (in Kuminga's case) be key role-players for a championship level team but that means Kuminga has to buy in which I don't think he'll be able to do until he fails as a lead player for a team, Gordon was allowed to fail as a main guy on a bad team and they gave him 6+ years to develop.

For me it comes down to this, Kuminga isn't a good enough player to change how you run your offense or build a roster around, if he were to buy in (unlike last season), play hard on defense he'd be a good/great addition, I just think he has to fail at his dream before he'll buy in, I think it'll eat away at him until he gets his chance to succeed/fail as a top option.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3187 » by statsman » Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:34 pm

Come on, Lacob! Offer him 4/120. You know you want to do it!
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3188 » by NW » Fri Sep 19, 2025 2:56 pm

So Kuminga and his agent feel like the Warriors are making him sacrifice his game because Kerr needs him to be a Marion/Gordon type and he sees himself as an on ball top scoring option-and clearly he’s right because the freaking Kings and Suns of all teams agree :crazy:

And they feel their sacrificing money because the Jalens Johnson and Green are getting more, so he should to-which not even the SunKings agree with considering their offers.

Please get this dude off the team.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3189 » by bay2hk » Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:10 pm

Jesus Lacob, grow some balls and pull the contract offer already. Getting rid of JK at $8m if he sucks next year is way easier than being stuck with a 3 year $75m contract for a one one dimensional player.

It’s obviously JK has no interest in rebounding, defending or passing when the season starts.
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Post#3190 » by AirP. » Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:23 pm

If this is true and depending on how serious these teams are, this could give Kuminga a reason to consider the QO over a sizable contract now.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3191 » by NW » Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:33 pm

AirP. wrote:If this is true and depending on how serious these teams are, this could give Kuminga a reason to consider the QO over a sizable contract now.
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Kings and Suns don’t have the cap room and are unlikely to have it next summer as they can’t get anyone to take Monk, much less Lavine.

Turner’s mystery team, likely the Bulls from all reports, will have the cap space and are the biggest threat seem to view him as plan B
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3192 » by DonaldSanders » Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:41 pm

NW wrote:So Kuminga and his agent feel like the Warriors are making him sacrifice his game because Kerr needs him to be a Marion/Gordon type and he sees himself as an on ball top scoring option-and clearly he’s right because the freaking Kings and Suns of all teams agree :crazy:



Basically what most of us have already seen -- he doesn't want to play the role the Warriors have wanted him to. He wants to be a featured scorer and doesn't see himself as one of those all-around guys. Thing is last year his TS% declined to 53% so it's an odd timing -- if anything this was when he needed to do the other stuff because he wasn't delivering the prior efficiency. We all see the lack of effort on rebounding and fluctuating defensive effort. When he wants to, his on-ball defense can be stifling, but he seems to pick and choose when he does that. It's not a consistent effort on that end.

This agent I think has been very bad for Kuminga's development. I am souring on JK a bit from today's media tour, it's a bit ridiculous. I know Turner is negotiating but coming to the media with all this stuff is very unlikable. They did a good job upping the offer, but I think today's media tour is a mis-step. Looking around I see a bad reaction from the Warrior fanbase on twitter, reddit, etc. so I don't think it is working. I don't get who this is convincing to increase the offer, I don't see the Warrior FO flipping because of it. If anything I can see the FO now feels pressured to put a line in the sand where they are now with the offer.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3193 » by whatisacenter » Fri Sep 19, 2025 3:54 pm

Listening to hoop collective now and the agent sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3194 » by NW » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:01 pm

Add Dubs Talk with Monte Poole and Dalton Johnson to Turner’s media tour today.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3195 » by statsman » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:06 pm

The so-called smartest person in the room is getting his ass handed to him this week. SMH
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3196 » by whatisacenter » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:16 pm

statsman wrote:The so-called smartest person in the room is getting his ass handed to him this week. SMH


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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3197 » by whatisacenter » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:19 pm

I'm not sure why fans are getting their knickers in a knot over this....Jk and Turner have been willing to accept a contract that will keep the team under the second apron from the jump. They just want something in return and I think they two sides get a deal done where JK has the option on the back end.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3198 » by statsman » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:28 pm

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statsman wrote:The so-called smartest person in the room is getting his ass handed to him this week. SMH

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3199 » by NW » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:48 pm

whatisacenter wrote:I'm not sure why fans are getting their knickers in a knot over this....Jk and Turner have been willing to accept a contract that will keep the team under the second apron from the jump. They just want something in return and I think they two sides get a deal done where JK has the option on the back end.



“Willing to accept”? Is there a bunch of other offers that they’re passing on that I’m not aware of? They’re “willing to accept” the best offer? How generous of them lol.

They keep making it like they are sacrificing by taking less they deserve in money(even though no one offered more) and role (even though the teams offering that can’t get him without help)
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#3200 » by HiRez » Fri Sep 19, 2025 4:49 pm

If he takes the QO at ~$8M instead of 3/$75M, just for him to make up the difference with another team, he'd have to get $33.5M per year over the following 2 years (75 - 8 / 2). And I assume he wants more than the offer he already has on the table, so it seems he and/or his agent think a contract with a new team is going to be $35M+ per year? Who is going to throw that kind of money at him? I can see teams being interested in the $22M-$28M range (good for the Warriors if he signs in there because he's tradable), but 35+ seems pretty unlikely, it's a hell of a gamble for him.

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