Trades and Transactions 2025 V

[mpharris36]

also the Knicks window is now...I don't think they really care about retaining Deuce in 2027. We still have 2 years of control of him at a dirt cheap price.

They aren't just moving him to open up a roster spot either.

Either they can pair him with another piece and get a worthwhile asset back or I believe they will just keep him.

What sense does it make to trade him for a draft pick(s) that don't help this year (a year we are one of the favorites to get to the final). Just so that Brogdon and Shamet can make the roster?

Like I said if its getting a worthwhile piece back sure...its just is hard to fine better contributing player that make around the same as McBride....its why he has so much value.

[JayTWill]

The Deuce conundrum is interesting. On one hand you can say it's worth it to go into the second apron to keep him. Good defensive guards who can shoot are always valuable in any team construct. He's at 38.8% from 3 on good volume the past 2 seasons.

He also seemingly can scale his production up to be a starter level player too. He's not some guy who thrives on being in for low minutes.

Deuce has started 28 games in his career. In those games he's averaged:

14.8ppg, 4.2apg, 2.9rpg on 41/37/81 splits

In theory, you might be selling a bit low on him because he might get more shine as a starter or at least with more than 25 mpg.

That being said, I don't think there is a pathway for Deuce to be more than a role guy. I know Knicks twitter was screaming for him to start last year but, realistically, a Brunson/Deuce backcourt can't survive against high level starting units. Deuce is a good defender but at a certain point he can't change that he's only 6'1".

Think about if we had to play the Thunder in the Finals for example... You'd have to stick Brunson on Lu Dort and you're left with Deuce either on SGA or J Dub. Both are pretty big size mismatches. Same thing happens with almost any team whose lead initiator isn't a true guard sized player.

If the Knicks can get someone that they think has a chance to start for them or has a little more versatility and doesn't provide an immediate extension headache, then it makes all the sense in the world to trade him IMO

I understand the concerns about Deuce's size but the alternative was a 30 year old 6'4 Hart who I believe may have the same standing reach and a slightly shorter wingspan. Outside of rebounding and some strength i'm not sure what advantages Hart provides over Deuce defensively. I would be more concerned with Hart guarding premier perimeter players than I would be with Deuce guarding them at this point.

For whatever reason the defense was much better with Deuce on and Hart off throughout the year. I don't know if it would translate if they switched roles but I was very curious to see what it would have looked like.

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[Knicksfan1992]

The Deuce conundrum is interesting. On one hand you can say it's worth it to go into the second apron to keep him. Good defensive guards who can shoot are always valuable in any team construct. He's at 38.8% from 3 on good volume the past 2 seasons.

He also seemingly can scale his production up to be a starter level player too. He's not some guy who thrives on being in for low minutes.

Deuce has started 28 games in his career. In those games he's averaged:

14.8ppg, 4.2apg, 2.9rpg on 41/37/81 splits

In theory, you might be selling a bit low on him because he might get more shine as a starter or at least with more than 25 mpg.

That being said, I don't think there is a pathway for Deuce to be more than a role guy. I know Knicks twitter was screaming for him to start last year but, realistically, a Brunson/Deuce backcourt can't survive against high level starting units. Deuce is a good defender but at a certain point he can't change that he's only 6'1".

Think about if we had to play the Thunder in the Finals for example... You'd have to stick Brunson on Lu Dort and you're left with Deuce either on SGA or J Dub. Both are pretty big size mismatches. Same thing happens with almost any team whose lead initiator isn't a true guard sized player.

If the Knicks can get someone that they think has a chance to start for them or has a little more versatility and doesn't provide an immediate extension headache, then it makes all the sense in the world to trade him IMO

Isn't this an issue with every team we play since we never want Brunson on ball navigating screens. I think last year even with Mikal on SGA Brunson was always on Dort. Since we basically have to cross matchup every guard since we don't want Brunson navigating a lot of on ball screens and picking up fouls because he isn't a good defender.

It doesn't matter what the size of the point guard is. The only guards Brunson typically guards aren't lead initiator type guards...otherwise we usually throw him on a C&S wing of off ball guard.

Another note....for any two man Knicks lineup over 50 minutes played together in the playoffs the best net rating was Brunson/McBride at +9.0 Net rating

Mikal, when locked in, is inherently a much more versatile defender than Deuce is. I don't think that's even up for debate tbh. Having Deuce on SGA or another lead initiator of a good team that doesn't have a small-ish guard could be a nightmare. It also then forces Mikal to possibly have to guard up which he is not as good at IMO. We've seen Deuce get bullied before on switches as well. We basically become a team that can't switch if you start Deuce. You'd have two undersized guards that wings can pick on and then KAT at C. Also if you look on Cleaningtheglass.... Yes the Net numbers are good but if you filter out Hart/Mitch with Deuce and Brunson on the floor, then we are predictably a terrible defensive rebounding team.

I'm just saying I don't think net rating numbers tell the whole story with that pairing. Yes, in certain alignments, I think Deuce/Brunson is good. Their offensive games complement each other very well. I like it for small stretches but to start? No I'd rather Knicks lean big around Brunson not small. I think the FO agrees as well.

[mpharris36]

The Deuce conundrum is interesting. On one hand you can say it's worth it to go into the second apron to keep him. Good defensive guards who can shoot are always valuable in any team construct. He's at 38.8% from 3 on good volume the past 2 seasons.

He also seemingly can scale his production up to be a starter level player too. He's not some guy who thrives on being in for low minutes.

Deuce has started 28 games in his career. In those games he's averaged:

14.8ppg, 4.2apg, 2.9rpg on 41/37/81 splits

In theory, you might be selling a bit low on him because he might get more shine as a starter or at least with more than 25 mpg.

That being said, I don't think there is a pathway for Deuce to be more than a role guy. I know Knicks twitter was screaming for him to start last year but, realistically, a Brunson/Deuce backcourt can't survive against high level starting units. Deuce is a good defender but at a certain point he can't change that he's only 6'1".

Think about if we had to play the Thunder in the Finals for example... You'd have to stick Brunson on Lu Dort and you're left with Deuce either on SGA or J Dub. Both are pretty big size mismatches. Same thing happens with almost any team whose lead initiator isn't a true guard sized player.

If the Knicks can get someone that they think has a chance to start for them or has a little more versatility and doesn't provide an immediate extension headache, then it makes all the sense in the world to trade him IMO

Isn't this an issue with every team we play since we never want Brunson on ball navigating screens. I think last year even with Mikal on SGA Brunson was always on Dort. Since we basically have to cross matchup every guard since we don't want Brunson navigating a lot of on ball screens and picking up fouls because he isn't a good defender.

It doesn't matter what the size of the point guard is. The only guards Brunson typically guards aren't lead initiator type guards...otherwise we usually throw him on a C&S wing of off ball guard.

Another note....for any two man Knicks lineup over 50 minutes played together in the playoffs the best net rating was Brunson/McBride at +9.0 Net rating

Mikal, when locked in, is inherently a much more versatile defender than Deuce is. I don't think that's even up for debate tbh. Having Deuce on SGA or another lead initiator of a good team that doesn't have a small-ish guard could be a nightmare. It also then forces Mikal to possibly have to guard up which he is not as good at IMO. We've seen Deuce get bullied before on switches as well. We basically become a team that can't switch if you start Deuce. You'd have two undersized guards that wings can pick on and then KAT at C. Also if you look on Cleaningtheglass.... Yes the Net numbers are good but if you filter out Hart/Mitch with Deuce and Brunson on the floor, then we are predictably a terrible defensive rebounding team.

I'm just saying I don't think net rating numbers tell the whole story with that pairing. Yes, in certain alignments, I think Deuce/Brunson is good. Their offensive games complement each other very well. I like it for small stretches but to start? No I'd rather Knicks lean big around Brunson not small. I think the FO agrees as well.

I'm less concerned about size. McBride is our best screen navigator. And I am a huge Mikal fan but just having him have to navigate screens all game is not using him to his best ability either defensively...he is a great help off ball defender.

[Knicksfan1992]

Isn't this an issue with every team we play since we never want Brunson on ball navigating screens. I think last year even with Mikal on SGA Brunson was always on Dort. Since we basically have to cross matchup every guard since we don't want Brunson navigating a lot of on ball screens and picking up fouls because he isn't a good defender.

It doesn't matter what the size of the point guard is. The only guards Brunson typically guards aren't lead initiator type guards...otherwise we usually throw him on a C&S wing of off ball guard.

Another note....for any two man Knicks lineup over 50 minutes played together in the playoffs the best net rating was Brunson/McBride at +9.0 Net rating

Mikal, when locked in, is inherently a much more versatile defender than Deuce is. I don't think that's even up for debate tbh. Having Deuce on SGA or another lead initiator of a good team that doesn't have a small-ish guard could be a nightmare. It also then forces Mikal to possibly have to guard up which he is not as good at IMO. We've seen Deuce get bullied before on switches as well. We basically become a team that can't switch if you start Deuce. You'd have two undersized guards that wings can pick on and then KAT at C. Also if you look on Cleaningtheglass.... Yes the Net numbers are good but if you filter out Hart/Mitch with Deuce and Brunson on the floor, then we are predictably a terrible defensive rebounding team.

I'm just saying I don't think net rating numbers tell the whole story with that pairing. Yes, in certain alignments, I think Deuce/Brunson is good. Their offensive games complement each other very well. I like it for small stretches but to start? No I'd rather Knicks lean big around Brunson not small. I think the FO agrees as well.

I'm less concerned about size. McBride is our best screen navigator. And I am a huge Mikal fan but just having him have to navigate screens all game is not using him to his best ability either defensively...he is a great help off ball defender.

I think Mikal's screen navigation becomes less of an issue with a few of the below reasons:

A) Having Mitch or a comparably good big defender (Kessler) behind him.
B) More minutes management with more depth used.
C) More OG at C allowing us to switch a bit more.

Reason why Mikal's POA defense stood out as bad at times last year is because Thibs base defense stresses the POA and Roll defenders a lot more than a typical defensive scheme. With some more variety in scheme we should see Mikal's POA D stick out a little less. More blitzing and more switching throughout the regular season. More utilizing OG at the POA too could help. I think flexibility will be a big key for Mike Brown.

[stuporman]

Just as I was getting ready for the premiere of the Knicks bench buddy show 'Dink and Deuce'...

[8516knicks]

Eagerly awaiting the Knicks trading Kolek, Deuce and Dadiet mainly because it would upset people.

No one will be upset if we get Kessler.

Thibs?

[Richard4444]

Dennis Smith Jr signed by the Mavs.

[stuporman]

Dennis Smith Jr signed by the Mavs.

Plus, to boost his salary he was given a job...it's not a no show one because McDonalds expects him to show up and make the fries.

[Wildcat]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

They won't be making any 2 or 3 for one trades unless it's a game changer. Why? Because it would put us over the 2nd apron trying to fill out the roster.

Deuce alone in a trade isn't bringing back a player of his talent level either. He's way underpaid at his cost. There's not a lot to choose from considering the price. Name someone making as little as he does that would be an upgrade. I'm curious who that could be.

He's one of our best defenders and 3pt shooters. Why would we trade him? It makes no sense.

Get used to the idea of only one of the camp invites getting the final vet mini. Deuce is not getting traded for scraps.

[BowlRips]

Deuce will not be traded. 2 years is enough time on his deal where you shouldn't worry about the next contract.
Talk to me in a year from now - by then if you are regiggering the roster, you can decide whether its worth keeping Deuce and extending him at $10m+ annually or trading him

[god shammgod]

also the Knicks window is now...I don't think they really care about retaining Deuce in 2027. We still have 2 years of control of him at a dirt cheap price.

They aren't just moving him to open up a roster spot either.

Either they can pair him with another piece and get a worthwhile asset back or I believe they will just keep him.

What sense does it make to trade him for a draft pick(s) that don't help this year (a year we are one of the favorites to get to the final). Just so that Brogdon and Shamet can make the roster?

Like I said if its getting a worthwhile piece back sure...its just is hard to fine better contributing player that make around the same as McBride....its why he has so much value.

they kept harternstein knowing he might bounce, i have no idea why they would do this now in the year that the knicks have the best odds of getting to the finals since jordan retired

[RHODEY]

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[mpharris36]

also the Knicks window is now...I don't think they really care about retaining Deuce in 2027. We still have 2 years of control of him at a dirt cheap price.

They aren't just moving him to open up a roster spot either.

Either they can pair him with another piece and get a worthwhile asset back or I believe they will just keep him.

What sense does it make to trade him for a draft pick(s) that don't help this year (a year we are one of the favorites to get to the final). Just so that Brogdon and Shamet can make the roster?

Like I said if its getting a worthwhile piece back sure...its just is hard to fine better contributing player that make around the same as McBride....its why he has so much value.

they kept harternstein knowing he might bounce, i have no idea why they would do this now in the year that the knicks have the best odds of getting to the finals since jordan retired

Like I said only reason to move him is if we got an impactful low salary piece back.

[Wildcat]

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[Capn'O]

Is there even a rumor with Deuce in it? I can't imagine us moving him this upcoming season. Wait until he's about to be a free agent at least. His contract is amazing.



Oh, I see. A few pages back. No way we trade Deuce for draft capital. That'll be Dadiet.

[WaltFrazier]

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You mean we're not getting Kawhi?

[RHODEY]

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You mean we're not getting Kawhi?

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