Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[AirP.]

Dude give it up. The QO ain’t happening. NOBODY WINS if that happens. There is no way the Warriors will lose this trade asset during the last of Curry’s prime. So even though you can’t stand the guy you need to understand that.

If he takes the QO that's only 8 million riding the bench if he doesn't play the role he's given to help this team win. You give him 20+ mil for 2 or 3 years he really has no incentive to not play how he wants; he got paid. Last year he took the same amount of FGA per36 that KD took for Phoenix, I doubt that would drop if he had a big contract given to him.

Lol. Even if what you say is true, they need a tradable contract. Can’t understand why this is so difficult to understand.

Oh, it's understandable which is why I keep having to say this... overpay GP2 with what is left after getting 13 players under contract and you now have a sizeable tradable contract (12-15 mil) which is probably why defensive player C.Martin is interested in joining GS to be that defensive player GS needs (if they move GP2). It's not as big of a tradable contract but it's something that can be combined with someone else to go after a mid 20 mil player if that's what you want to do.

[Old_Blue]

The Dubs are playing this to perfection. Kuminga and his agent are showing signs of serious desperation today - due to the fact that they have zero leverage. Their claim that Kuminga is confident in his future market appeal is garbage - otherwise they'd have signed the qualifying offer by now and would be looking forward to next off-season. Instead, having overplayed their hand, and in a pathetic attempt to lessen their self-inflicted damage, Kuminga and his agent are merely trying to extract the most guaranteed money they can get out of the Warriors. The problem is that the Dubs don't value Kuminga very highly. Nor, does the League value him very highly. The Suns and Kings have expressed some interest, but both would need the Dubs to comply. And, that's not happening for the garbage offers made by those two teams. So, all the threats and foot stamping in the world by Kuminga and his agent won't change the fact that Kuminga is little more than a door stop - a player who never developed as expected and who's only real value now to his current team is as salary filler. Screw him. Make him choke on the qualifying offer or a price the Dubs can live with (after which he gets traded) and fill his spot with the full MLE next off-season.

[EvanZ]

I could see JK getting minutes with Horford but the way the team is constructed you'd either have to have Horford and JK come off the bench or Horford and JK starting, and the only way that happens is if Draymond comes off the bench. No matter how much we talk about contracts, trades, whatever, it always come back around to actually figuring out "combinations". And JK still doesn't make sense on this team.

[wco81]

I'm hearing on podcast that there's an offer for 3-years $54 million, all 3 years guaranteed.

So JK has 3 options from the Warriors.

[Old_Blue]

I'm hearing on podcast that there's an offer for 3-years $54 million, all 3 years guaranteed.

So JK has 3 options from the Warriors.

2 years / $45 million. 3 years / $54 million. The Dubs next offer should be 4 years / $60 million.

[AirP.]

I'm hearing on podcast that there's an offer for 3-years $54 million, all 3 years guaranteed.

So JK has 3 options from the Warriors.

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[DonaldSanders]

The Dubs are playing this to perfection. Kuminga and his agent are showing signs of serious desperation today - due to the fact that they have zero leverage.

How are we playing it to perfection when JK still isn't signed and Turner just got us to budge?

I think this interview series is a mistake, but it's hard to say we're playing things well. JK can take this down to the wire in hopes of us giving more, and still get the deals offered. As far as I can tell both sides have leverage in different ways, and JK has done a better job of using his.

[Old_Blue]

The Dubs are playing this to perfection. Kuminga and his agent are showing signs of serious desperation today - due to the fact that they have zero leverage.

How are we playing it to perfection when JK still isn't signed and Turner just got us to budge?

I think this interview series is a mistake, but it's hard to say we're playing things well. JK can take this down to the wire in hopes of us giving more, and still get the deals offered. As far as I can tell both sides have leverage in different ways, and JK has done a better job of using his.

The Dubs were always going to "budge." That's just part of negotiation. What matters is how little the Dubs have moved. All of these offers are far short of the expectations held by Kuminga and his agent - both of whom are being taught a serious lesson in FAFO.

[AirP.]

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[statsman]

I'm resigned to the likely outcome that the Warriors will overpay Kuminga more $$/yr than he is worth. The only realistic alternative is the QO, and I don't think either party wants that.

[Old_Blue]

It's not "blinking" when your first offer is a turd sandwich and then you follow it up by offering some mustard with that.

[HiRez]

I wouldn't worry too much about the player option.

1) With Kerr still here, Kuminga is going to want out pretty fast anyway, he will be traded and the PO will never be exercised
2) The lesser salary he should have to accept to receive the player option should cancel out reservations teams have about taking it on

I'd offer 2+1 with PO in year 3 + NTC waived for $60M ($20M per), take it or leave it.

[AirP.]

It's not "blinking" when your first offer is a turd sandwich and then you follow it up by offering some mustard with that.

50-75 million over 2-3 years for a guy who started less than 1/4 of the games he played in last season for YOUR TEAM and getting DNP-CD in the playofs is a turd sandwich with mustard?

[Old_Blue]

It's not "blinking" when your first offer is a turd sandwich and then you follow it up by offering some mustard with that.

50-75 million over 2-3 years for a guy who started less than 1/4 of the games he played in last season for YOUR TEAM and getting DNP-CD in the playofs is a turd sandwich with mustard?

The most guaranteed money that has been offered is $54 million - over 3 years. That's a serious fall from grace for both Kuminga and his agent. And, yes, that qualifies as a "turd sandwich with mustard" for the former #7 overall pick.

[AirP.]

I wouldn't worry too much about the player option.

1) With Kerr still here, Kuminga is going to want out pretty fast anyway, he will be traded and the PO will never be exercised
2) The lesser salary he should have to accept to receive the player option should cancel out reservations teams have about taking it on

I'd offer 2+1 with PO in year 3 + NTC waived for $60M ($20M per), take it or leave it.

If Kuminga is paid, why wouldn't he just keep playing how he wants to play and let Kerr really get roasted in the media by not playing their newly signed 20+ mil per season player?

[AirP.]

It's not "blinking" when your first offer is a turd sandwich and then you follow it up by offering some mustard with that.

50-75 million over 2-3 years for a guy who started less than 1/4 of the games he played in last season for YOUR TEAM and getting DNP-CD in the playofs is a turd sandwich with mustard?

The most guaranteed money that has been offered is $54 million - over 3 years. That's a serious fall from grace for both Kuminga and his agent.

For a player who has 84 starts in 4 years, with only 10 of those starts last year? I bet Moody would like that sandwich.

I don't think it's about the money, I think it's about Kuminga wanting to be a main option but since that's not working out this summer, grab the money now and then force the trade when they can.

I wonder how much Podz's agent is smiling right now.

[AirP.]

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[Old_Blue]

50-75 million over 2-3 years for a guy who started less than 1/4 of the games he played in last season for YOUR TEAM and getting DNP-CD in the playofs is a turd sandwich with mustard?

The most guaranteed money that has been offered is $54 million - over 3 years. That's a serious fall from grace for both Kuminga and his agent.

For a player who has 84 starts in 4 years, with only 10 of those starts last year? I bet Moody would like that sandwich.

I wonder how much Podz's agent is smiling right now.

You can try to frame this as positively as you like. If it was all roses, Kuminga and his agent would have jumped at the offer. Instead, they're eating FAFO sandwiches for lunch.

[AirP.]

The most guaranteed money that has been offered is $54 million - over 3 years. That's a serious fall from grace for both Kuminga and his agent.

For a player who has 84 starts in 4 years, with only 10 of those starts last year? I bet Moody would like that sandwich.

I wonder how much Podz's agent is smiling right now.

You can try to frame this as positively as you like. If it was all roses, Kuminga and his agent would have jumped at the offer. Instead, they're eating FAFO sandwiches for lunch.

The agent can't jump for anything, he can only advise his client. He said he had to educate his client on Golden State's financial situation, the aprons and what they could get to allow Horford to sign in GS. I think the agent has a much better grasp of his client's worth and the team's situation then Kuminga does and is making the best of a bad situation which is his job.

[Old_Blue]

For a player who has 84 starts in 4 years, with only 10 of those starts last year? I bet Moody would like that sandwich.

I wonder how much Podz's agent is smiling right now.

You can try to frame this as positively as you like. If it was all roses, Kuminga and his agent would have jumped at the offer. Instead, they're eating FAFO sandwiches for lunch.

The agent can't jump for anything, he can only advise his client. He said he had to educate his client on Golden State's financial situation, the aprons and what they could get to allow Horford to sign in GS. I think the agent has a much better grasp of his client's worth and the team's situation then Kuminga does and is making the best of a bad situation which is his job.

You mean this agent?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/p243a8/biggest_loser_of_free_agency_this_year_goes_to/

The same Aaron Turner who was the agent for Victor Oladipo when that player rejected a 4 year / $113 million offer from the Pacers, only to then be traded to the Rockets - where Oladipo then rejected a 2 year / $45 million extension - only to ultimately settle for a 1 year veteran minimum deal? Are we sensing a pattern here?