Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Crazy-Canuck]

A few times turner has brought up "fit" on the team. I think they'd sign pretty quick if either dray or Jimmy was traded.

[whatisacenter]

Why would they give him a NTC on a bigger deal rather than just letting him play on the QO?

So they could have a larger expiring contract as a trade chip.

With a no trade clause?

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

[bay2hk]

So they could have a larger expiring contract as a trade chip.

With a no trade clause?

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

Just give GP2 a partial guarantee 1 year contract for difference between what they’re offering JK and the QO. Don’t need to be stuck with an unhappy low IQ player in buminga for 2 years.

[darbstar]

I’m trying to understand why Kuminga would want to go to Sacramento when they already have ball dominant scorers in lavine, derozan, sabonis, and Keegan Murray needs more opportunity as well.

Also, why would Sacramento want him for the same reason?


The other team mentioned the suns have booker, jalen green, mark williams, Dillon Brooke’s who all need theirs.

[Twinkie defense]

they have assets they're unwilling to move for immediate help for Steph

Kuminga is an asset. Kuminga on a good contract is an asset. He's actually one of the few assets the Warriors have left. Even if you want to trade away a bunch of picks, you need salary to tie the picks to.

[whatisacenter]

With a no trade clause?

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

Just give GP2 a partial guarantee 1 year contract for difference between what they’re offering JK and the QO. Don’t need to be stuck with an unhappy low IQ player in buminga for 2 years.

I seriously doubt they do anything like that.

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

[Ilovethebay]

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

Just give GP2 a partial guarantee 1 year contract for difference between what they’re offering JK and the QO. Don’t need to be stuck with an unhappy low IQ player in buminga for 2 years.

I seriously doubt they do anything like that.

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Checkmate!

[HiRez]

they have assets they're unwilling to move for immediate help for Steph

Kuminga is an asset. Kuminga on a good contract is an asset. He's actually one of the few assets the Warriors have left. Even if you want to trade away a bunch of picks, you need salary to tie the picks to.

These players are not massively expensive, JK @ $25M matches up with Murphy, Avdija @ $14M matches up with Moody, or Hield + Santos/TJD, it's not that hard. The picks are what they'd be after. If you're getting young guys of that caliber, losing anyone outside Steph, Butler, and Draymond is fine because you're getting an upgrade. Any of their salaries can be used. And there are other young players around the league with similar upgrade skills on reasonable contracts.

[bay2hk]

Just give GP2 a partial guarantee 1 year contract for difference between what they’re offering JK and the QO. Don’t need to be stuck with an unhappy low IQ player in buminga for 2 years.

I seriously doubt they do anything like that.

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Checkmate!

If JK and his agent thinks Warriors current offer is as bad as you make it out to be then they should just accept the QO and use some other teams cap space next offseason.

Checkmate? Smh

[watch1958]

Lots of uncertainty. Reasonably sure that the result will be bad for the team. Especially in the first half of the season.

[watch1958]

they have assets they're unwilling to move for immediate help for Steph

Kuminga is an asset. Kuminga on a good contract is an asset. He's actually one of the few assets the Warriors have left. Even if you want to trade away a bunch of picks, you need salary to tie the picks to.

These players are not massively expensive, JK @ $25M matches up with Murphy, Avdija @ $14M matches up with Moody, or Hield + Santos/TJD, it's not that hard. The picks are what they'd be after. If you're getting young guys of that caliber, losing anyone outside Steph, Butler, and Draymond is fine because you're getting an upgrade. Any of their salaries can be used. And there are other young players around the league with similar upgrade skills on reasonable contracts.

I wonder how many picks it would take for Portland or NOLA to give up good young players.

[Onus]

Kuminga is an asset. Kuminga on a good contract is an asset. He's actually one of the few assets the Warriors have left. Even if you want to trade away a bunch of picks, you need salary to tie the picks to.

These players are not massively expensive, JK @ $25M matches up with Murphy, Avdija @ $14M matches up with Moody, or Hield + Santos/TJD, it's not that hard. The picks are what they'd be after. If you're getting young guys of that caliber, losing anyone outside Steph, Butler, and Draymond is fine because you're getting an upgrade. Any of their salaries can be used. And there are other young players around the league with similar upgrade skills on reasonable contracts.

I wonder how many picks it would take for Portland or NOLA to give up good young players.

Talking to Portland fans they want to build around deni so you’d need to offer a superstar package to even get them to think about it.

Murphy you’d probably need 3 1sts maybe 2 if they’re post Steph.

I highly doubt we’d be anywhere close to offering those seeing how we’ve been bargain shopping and more focused on after Steph than with Steph.

[EvanZ]

We're not getting Hansen that's for damn sure lol

[whatisacenter]

I seriously doubt they do anything like that.

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Checkmate!

If JK and his agent thinks Warriors current offer is as bad as you make it out to be then they should just accept the QO and use some other teams cap space next offseason.

Checkmate? Smh

Yeah, because signing the QO before the Warriors can up their offer would be a smart move! SMH

[CS707]

So they could have a larger expiring contract as a trade chip.

With a no trade clause?

yeah, it's not everything GS wants but I don't think they are going to get everything they want and it's better than a $7.9M chip. JK could veto a trade but I doubt he would and it's still a 2 yr deal that is only guaranteed for 1 yr.

I don't see it. It's too much leverage if the only reason for re-signing him is for trade purposes. It allows the receiving team to lowball the Warriors because they know Kuminga has the final say. The organization has spent the last couple of years gauging his value around the league. They know what he's worth to other teams and the offers on the table reflect that. He's got a small bit of leverage just because the Warriors would like to have a tradable contract on the books but it's not going to take much for him to overplay that hand.

[DonaldSanders]

I am a fan in a sea of haters!

I can see why fans wouldn't like what Turner is doing but I don't see any downside to it. Either the Warriors improve on their current offers or he is likely to sign the QO which sucks for both sides. And the fans who are talking themselves into thinking JK on the QO is a good the for GS are crazy, IMO.

I do admire your dedication and willingness to buck the trend here. I just don't get what the upside of the interviews has been for Turner/JK as the reaction has been vastly negative from a fan perspective and he didn't say anything to improve their position. I listened to like 3 of the interviews while doing work spreadsheets

Honestly I think him signing the QO is now a bluff (I think he considered it when it was a 1+1 offer), one that has been played well so far. There is only a little bit of potential downside to waiting (if he gets traded, he has to wait until later in the season, fans are irked) but none of it is likely financial, and of course pushing the Warriors the last 2 weeks has potential financial upside.

Turner says in the interview that the QO is not ideal for either side, which is no big news. JK wants to maximize the contract he signs, the Warriors want to get him signed soon and minimize the cost. Ultimately I think a multi-year deal gets done as both sides need it done, it's just a matter of who caves.

[AirP.]

In the Dubs Talk podcast with Kuminga's agent, the agent when talking about Kuminga's role said... Kuminga's going to have to understand, there's nights you'll play a lot, and some you won't. The issue I have is that Kuminga the way the agent put it, it sounds like Kuminga may not be currently good with that because you would say Kuminga understands that... not he's going to have to understand that. Basically, GS is ready to be in the same situation with Kuminga next season except they'll be paying him 20+ mil and teams will know GS will desperately want to get off that contract.

There's a reason why agents don't usually talk in negotiations, sometimes they say too much when questioned by reporters.

How many times will Kerr be asked if they thought if Kuminga played or played more they might have one. Doesn't mean it would happen but it will make a good story to write night after night.

BTW, I think Butler, Dray and Kuminga can work together but that's with Kuminga being off ball and cutting for some easy scores. He needs to keep those ISOs out of his game for a few more years.

[statsman]

There's a reason why agents don't usually talk in negotiations, sometimes they say too much when questioned by reporters.

Usually true, but their ace in the hole is Lacob. The agent is trying to get Lacob to offer more guaranteed money or get Kuminga off the team. I wasn't a fan of this agent, but he has been taking Lacob to the woodshed. 3/75, with 2/48 guaranteed? Lacob caved, and he may not even be done.

[Twinkie defense]

Avdija @ $14M matches up with Moody, or Hield + Santos/TJD, it's not that hard.

Warriors don't want Deni Avdija, he's not an upgrade.

[Twinkie defense]

If JK is as bad as you make him out to be then the Warriors FO should have pulled the QO while they still could and used their cap space differently.

Cap space? The cap is set at $154.6 million, and Curry/Butler/Draymond make $140 Mil - cap space is not in the conversation. Which is why Warriors need salaries they can use for trades.