Lock it up! (The post-season, not the thread). Blue Jays (89-64) @ Royals (76-77)

[Randle McMurphy]

I do not like this celebrating like you won the World Series, when in fact you are celebrating for the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series (LOL). We seen how that turned out in 2020, 2022, and 2023 when this team did not win a single game.

Winning the division means something. Going to the World Series, and ultimately winning the World Series means something. But the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series, not so much.

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

[Potential]

Whos gonna be the most hungover tomorrow???

[PowerPlant1]

They earned a mini celebration. Overcoming bad offense for who knows how long with some timely hitting, bad calls and that sound playing of percentages strategy that made the game closer than it needed to be.

They could have not clinched after all.

[Mehar]

I do not like this celebrating like you won the World Series, when in fact you are celebrating for the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series (LOL). We seen how that turned out in 2020, 2022, and 2023 when this team did not win a single game.

Winning the division means something. Going to the World Series, and ultimately winning the World Series means something. But the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series, not so much.

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

Also, maybe when this team implodes again in a couple of weeks, this organization can always enjoy the great celebration of today as they hang another Wild Card Banner at the Rogers Centre. They can pretend they actually won something like they did in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

[JN]

I do not like this celebrating like you won the World Series, when in fact you are celebrating for the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series (LOL). We seen how that turned out in 2020, 2022, and 2023 when this team did not win a single game.

Winning the division means something. Going to the World Series, and ultimately winning the World Series means something. But the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series, not so much.

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

Cleveland's winning streak delayed the inevitable by at least 3 days.
I agree with you - the team deserves to celebrate. Chemistry is part of the reason to a degree that this team has surprisingly won 90 games.

They don't have to play again until Tuesday, and this will not change their motiviations in any way.

[Randle McMurphy]

I do not like this celebrating like you won the World Series, when in fact you are celebrating for the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series (LOL). We seen how that turned out in 2020, 2022, and 2023 when this team did not win a single game.

Winning the division means something. Going to the World Series, and ultimately winning the World Series means something. But the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series, not so much.

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

Also, maybe when this team implodes again in a couple of weeks, this organization can always enjoy the great celebration of today as they hang another Wild Card Banner at the Rogers Centre. They can pretend they actually won something like they did in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

Whether they implode or not, it’s gonna have absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a playoff spot which literally every baseball team has ever done for the history of time

[JN]

I do not like this celebrating like you won the World Series, when in fact you are celebrating for the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series (LOL). We seen how that turned out in 2020, 2022, and 2023 when this team did not win a single game.

Winning the division means something. Going to the World Series, and ultimately winning the World Series means something. But the chance to compete in the Wild Card Series, not so much.

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

Cleveland's winning streak delayed the inevitable by at least 3 days.
I agree with you - the team deserves to celebrate. Chemistry is part of the reason to a degree that this team has surprisingly won 90 games.

They don't have to play again until Tuesday - this won't impact performance over the 6 next days -- and this will not change their motivations at all for the next 6 games. They know how important the bye is.

[JN]

Who cares if you don't like management does - enjoy the fact that this team is going to win 90+ games and make the playoffs, two things that were not expected when the season started. This team has provided us with a more exciting season then we could have expected.

[JN]

I just saw a tweet of the Varsho catch and watched it again.

The "inconclusive so can't overturn" reasoning, is total hogwash.

#1. There is literally an angle where you can see the ball at all times, except possibly the first few hundredth's of a second when caught.

#2. If you combine angles / combine views, you can easily find views that show the ball is in possession at all times..

[Mehar]

I love it, not like it is gonna hurt anyone

This team has been tight as hell all week before now and you can only hope getting the monkey off their back will help them play better in the final week

Also, maybe when this team implodes again in a couple of weeks, this organization can always enjoy the great celebration of today as they hang another Wild Card Banner at the Rogers Centre. They can pretend they actually won something like they did in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

Whether they implode or not, it’s gonna have absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a playoff spot which literally every baseball team has ever done for the history of time

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

[Jerry Lucas]

Also, maybe when this team implodes again in a couple of weeks, this organization can always enjoy the great celebration of today as they hang another Wild Card Banner at the Rogers Centre. They can pretend they actually won something like they did in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

Whether they implode or not, it’s gonna have absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a playoff spot which literally every baseball team has ever done for the history of time

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

The Raptors and Maple Leafs are baseball teams?

[FOB]

lol yeah there could never be a fix in MLB

No history there at all

Did you not read my post? I said that that specific call was evidently not a fix, not that there could never be a fix.

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

Unless I am mistaken, the reasoning on the call was that they couldn't see whether it was trapped or caught.

The problem was that the ump judged this suspiciously as not caught in the first place. That put the burden of proof on the Jays and there was no evidence to overturn. But how can an ump see what video replay cannot? That's suspicious because it is unlikely.

It also appears you have two positions. If a trap was the right call as you say, then you may believe this wasn't a fix rather than not evidently a fix.

Anyway, Jays win despite the possible fix.

To clarify: I did not say the trap call was the right call by the ump. It wasn't. I said that not overturning the call was the right call based on the fact that it was previously called a trap.

SoI don't think we disagree at all. The call by the ump is absolutely questionable, and that unfairly put the burden of proof on the Jays. And because that proof couldn't be produced conclusively, they couldn't overturn the call.

Hence, I said it's "evidently not a fix" referring to the review center. It might be a fix by the ump, personally I think it's more likely a bad call. Hope that makes sense.

[Randle McMurphy]

Also, maybe when this team implodes again in a couple of weeks, this organization can always enjoy the great celebration of today as they hang another Wild Card Banner at the Rogers Centre. They can pretend they actually won something like they did in 2020, 2022, and 2023.

Whether they implode or not, it’s gonna have absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a playoff spot which literally every baseball team has ever done for the history of time

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

Wow, that sounds like a disingenuous false equivalence if I’ve ever heard of one and had no bearing on what I posted at all

[FOB]

lol yeah there could never be a fix in MLB

No history there at all

Did you not read my post? I said that that specific call was evidently not a fix, not that there could never be a fix.

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

A fix is a much better explanation than anything else tbh

Nobody watching that replay thought it was a trap because it wasn’t a trap, it was a catch

Yeah, no one "thought" it was a trap, but that doesn't matter for the review. I said it wasn't a fix by the review center based on how they have to evaluate a trap call. Not sure why you keep evading that point, but I think we've said all that needs to be said. Anyways, Jays win, hope you enjoy it! Four to go!

[Mehar]

Whether they implode or not, it’s gonna have absolutely nothing to do with celebrating a playoff spot which literally every baseball team has ever done for the history of time

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

Wow, that sounds like a disingenuous false equivalence if I’ve ever heard of one and had no bearing on what I posted at all

No false equivalence. I needed to explain what I meant more. You are correct that every MLB team celebrates a playoff berth. The point I am trying to make is how come you do not see a NHL or NBA team celebrating a playoff berth (even an 8th seed)?

The answer is because it is ridiculous. It is ridiculous the Jays have a Wild Card 2020, 2022, and 2023 Banner hanging at the Rogers Centre when they did not win a single playoff game. I understand it is baseball tradition, but not necessarily something I am a fan of. The celebrations should be for winning divisions, pennants and World Series just like other sports. Not for a chance to compete in a "Wild Card series". Just my opinion.

[Randle McMurphy]

Did you not read my post? I said that that specific call was evidently not a fix, not that there could never be a fix.

Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.

A fix is a much better explanation than anything else tbh

Nobody watching that replay thought it was a trap because it wasn’t a trap, it was a catch

Yeah, no one "thought" it was a trap, but that doesn't matter for the review. I said it wasn't a fix by the review center based on how they have to evaluate a trap call. Not sure why you keep evading that point, but I think we've said all that needs to be said. Anyways, Jays win, hope you enjoy it! Four to go!

A fix is certainly a much better explanation than a review center objectively “evaluating” that as a trap in any respect

Definitely nothing going on there though

Not when an obvious out was overturned into a safe call for Dominguez by the same crew

[Ranger One]

You must have not heard the reasoning for the call? It sucks, but it's the right call given that it was called a trap. It's not "evidently a fix" by any means.

+not enough evidence to overturn" can be used on nearly any call. It was clear he caught the ball from the angle the they showed.

Ill say it again

It was obviously a catch and it’s incredibly suspect that it wasn’t called as such

Did you even listen to the explanation Dan received? Nobody is arguing whether he caught it or not, it was clear he did, but what WAS NOT 100% beyond shadow of a doubt clear was if he had possession of the ball after the catch. Which is exactly why it wasnt overturned. Based on that one angle they showed, it appears he lost possession of the ball while he was rolling over his glove. And since the reviewers couldnt be 100% sure the ball didnt pop out of his glove momentarily, they couldnt possibly overturn it. The roll over is what screwed over Varsho. Had he not rolled over and hid whether or not he had the ball the entire time, it would have been an easy overturn. The fact is the reviewers lost sight of the ball in his glove and couldnt be 100% sure.

[Randle McMurphy]

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

Wow, that sounds like a disingenuous false equivalence if I’ve ever heard of one and had no bearing on what I posted at all

No false equivalence. I needed to explain what I meant more. You are correct that every MLB team celebrates a playoff berth. The point I am trying to make is how come you do not see a NHL or NBA team celebrating a playoff berth (even an 8th seed)?

The answer is because it is ridiculous. It is ridiculous the Jays have a Wild Card 2020, 2022, and 2023 Banner hanging at the Rogers Centre when they did not win a single playoff game. I understand it is baseball tradition, but not necessarily something I am a fan of. The celebrations should be for winning divisions, pennants and World Series just like other sports. Not for a chance to compete in a "Wild Card series". Just my opinion.

No, the answer is due to history and tradition (and less teams making the playoffs in MLB) if you really want to get down to it

Either way, it’s really secondary to the idea that there’s literally no harm in doing so for this particular team. They’ve been choking for an entire week before this. How much worse can they really play?

[Randle McMurphy]

+not enough evidence to overturn" can be used on nearly any call. It was clear he caught the ball from the angle the they showed.

Ill say it again

It was obviously a catch and it’s incredibly suspect that it wasn’t called as such

Did you even listen to the explanation Dan received? Nobody is arguing whether he caught it or not, it was clear he did, but what WAS NOT 100% beyond shadow of a doubt clear was if he had possession of the ball after the catch. Which is exactly why it wasnt overturned. Based on that one angle they showed, it appears he lost possession of the ball while he was rolling over his glove. And since the reviewers couldnt be 100% sure the ball didnt pop out of his glove momentarily, they couldnt possibly overturn it. The roll over is what screwed over Varsho. Had he not rolled over and hid whether or not he had the ball the entire time, it would have been an easy overturn. The fact is the reviewers lost sight of the ball in his glove and couldnt be 100% sure.

Can’t say I give a damn what “explanation” was given after the fact to justify MLB’s clearly incorrect call, no

[Tripod]

So whenever the Raptors and Maple Leafs clinch a playoff spot (whether it is as the 7th seed or 8th seed) they should celebrate also. Even when they get bounced out in the first round.

Wow, that sounds like a disingenuous false equivalence if I’ve ever heard of one and had no bearing on what I posted at all

No false equivalence. I needed to explain what I meant more. You are correct that every MLB team celebrates a playoff berth. The point I am trying to make is how come you do not see a NHL or NBA team celebrating a playoff berth (even an 8th seed)?

The answer is because it is ridiculous. It is ridiculous the Jays have a Wild Card 2020, 2022, and 2023 Banner hanging at the Rogers Centre when they did not win a single playoff game. I understand it is baseball tradition, but not necessarily something I am a fan of. The celebrations should be for winning divisions, pennants and World Series just like other sports. Not for a chance to compete in a "Wild Card series". Just my opinion.

Because in baseball it has always been harder to make the playoffs than those sports. And even with the new rules to add more teams, it's still harder than in other sports.

You have a right to your opinion. But that opinion is not supported by many fans, players, broadcasters, etc...