babyjax13 wrote:If the league takes the Clippers picks in 2031 and 2032 what do they do? Do they start trading everyone for all the picks they can, try to reset their books to add stars later, etc?
they'll probably do what I've been saying they needed to do even before this Kawhi thing came up... liquidate for expiring contracts, hope you get some assets along the way, and play the free agency game, hoping to get some stars to the Clippers.
This isn't like breaking up the 2011 Mavs to chase Dwight and Deron. Voiding Kawhi means you have no stars to build around, and only Zubac, Jones, and a couple rookie scale contracts on the books. Utilizing cap space would be an easy decision.
Unless kawhis deal stays on the books (suspended instead of void)
I don't think having oodles of cap space is as useful now that the latest CBA put teeth into the requirement to reach a minimum team salary (90% of the cap). We've seen 2 teams go through it (DET 2024, BKN 2025) and they both netted a bunch of SRPs for their space, but IIRC no FRPs or great prospects.
It's partly a timing issue: teams need to reach the salary floor by opening tip, while teams effectively have until the TDL to shed money to duck under the tax -- i.e. few teams are paying a premium to dump contracts in the summer when a team might have large cap space.
In a no-win argument, the first poster to Let It Go will at least retain some peace of mind
HornetJail wrote:they'll probably do what I've been saying they needed to do even before this Kawhi thing came up... liquidate for expiring contracts, hope you get some assets along the way, and play the free agency game, hoping to get some stars to the Clippers.
This isn't like breaking up the 2011 Mavs to chase Dwight and Deron. Voiding Kawhi means you have no stars to build around, and only Zubac, Jones, and a couple rookie scale contracts on the books. Utilizing cap space would be an easy decision.
Unless kawhis deal stays on the books (suspended instead of void)
I don't think having oodles of cap space is as useful now that the latest CBA put teeth into the requirement to reach a minimum team salary (90% of the cap). We've seen 2 teams go through it (DET 2024, BKN 2025) and they both netted a bunch of SRPs for their space, but IIRC no FRPs or great prospects.
It's partly a timing issue: teams need to reach the salary floor by opening tip, while teams effectively have until the TDL to shed money to duck under the tax -- i.e. few teams are paying a premium to dump contracts in the summer when a team might have large cap space.
This. I think it would be a better system to have a delayed date to meet the salary floor, but it's the nature of the trade offs of collective bargaining. It certainly doesn't matter in the aggregate for the PA as overall compensation, escrow, etc is tied to their percentage of BRI, but it does work to maximize the number of players under contract.
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jayjaysee wrote:Just for fun? Probably not enough for Utah but is two firsts with some real variance.. Phoenix fans probably don’t want to trade Maluach..
Maluach and Royce to CLT Jalen Green, Connaughton, 2027 Dallas, 2027 Miami firsts to Utah Lauri to Phoenix
nah just give us Lauri. personally didn't have a lot of faith in Maluach as a prospect
Was surprised by the Durant trade, and originally thought okay, well the price was just too good to pass up. But then we see that the Green and Brooks contracts lined up perfectly w/ salary, and a miraculous incentive condition which made this a very unique trade. It seems like there was some obvious forethought about this potential trade, when giving out the Green and Brooks deals.
For now, we’re going to assume that Jalen Green is waiving his trade bonus (or the vast majority of it), to complete this trade. If Green insists upon getting his entire bonus, the salary-matching doesn’t work.
Because the Suns are a second-apron team (yes, even after the league year changes over), they can’t aggregate salaries in a trade. Phoenix also can’t take back more money than they send out. The Rockets are well under the aprons and the tax, so they have less concerns with how they match salary.
Houston’s side is easy. They are receiving $54.7 million for Kevin Durant. The Rockets are sending out $55.5 million in salary for Green and Dillon Brooks. That will keep Houston from incurring a first-apron hard cap, as they are sending out more salary than they are taking back. A second-apron hard cap will be incurred because the Rockets are aggregating salaries in this deal, but they have more than enough room under the second apron.
At first glance, the Suns appear to be receiving the same $55.5 million for Green and Dillon Brooks. However, Brooks has a $1 million incentive in his contract if his team makes the playoffs. As bonuses are termed likely vs unlikely depending on what circumstances happened the prior season, Brooks’ bonus will flip from likely to unlikely for the 2025-26 season (and beyond) because the Suns did not make the playoffs last season. (Brooks still earned this bonus for the 2024-25 season, which is not impacted by this trade.)
Now, because Brooks’ bonus flips to unlikely, he’ll go on the Phoenix books at $1 million less. That means the Suns are bringing in $54.5 million, which is less than the $54.7 million that they send out. That makes this a legal trade.
This is a very rare occurrence where both teams are technically sending out more salary than they are bringing in, because of how Brooks’ bonus will flip upon completion of the trade. A relatively small, but incredibly important detail that allows this trade to be made.
With that retrospective, I was looking at some of the deals we signed this offseason, particularly the somewhat baffling deal for third string center Clint Capela. Most Rockets fans have positive memories of Capela from the Harden days, but the signing moved us well into tax territory, and basically killed any chance to easily duck the tax this year. As fond as those memories are, its somewhat strange to sabotage that for a very unnecessary 3rd string center. Particularly with the Eason extension looming. Wouldn't you rather have that money to allocate to Eason, who is an absolute rock star?
So I went down a rabbit hole of perhaps the Rockets are trying to assemble a collection of filler salary to make a big move and leverage their remaining stash of future picks, even if its an older guy, as they demonstrated they are okay with that, by trading for Durant.
So if they are collecting salary filler, it seems like FVV would almost have to go out somewhere to make the numbers workable. Is there a team similar to the Rockets from two years ago, ready for a good veteran player, to help some kids take a step forward?
What team might give an expiring and young player or late first for FVV, to route to a third team as part of a bigger deal, sending a star to Houston?
LarsV8 wrote: What team might give an expiring and young player or late first for FVV, to route to a third team as part of a bigger deal, sending a star to Houston?
Was surprised by the Durant trade, and originally thought okay, well the price was just too good to pass up. But then we see that the Green and Brooks contracts lined up perfectly w/ salary, and a miraculous incentive condition which made this a very unique trade. It seems like there was some obvious forethought about this potential trade, when giving out the Green and Brooks deals.
For now, we’re going to assume that Jalen Green is waiving his trade bonus (or the vast majority of it), to complete this trade. If Green insists upon getting his entire bonus, the salary-matching doesn’t work.
Because the Suns are a second-apron team (yes, even after the league year changes over), they can’t aggregate salaries in a trade. Phoenix also can’t take back more money than they send out. The Rockets are well under the aprons and the tax, so they have less concerns with how they match salary.
Houston’s side is easy. They are receiving $54.7 million for Kevin Durant. The Rockets are sending out $55.5 million in salary for Green and Dillon Brooks. That will keep Houston from incurring a first-apron hard cap, as they are sending out more salary than they are taking back. A second-apron hard cap will be incurred because the Rockets are aggregating salaries in this deal, but they have more than enough room under the second apron.
At first glance, the Suns appear to be receiving the same $55.5 million for Green and Dillon Brooks. However, Brooks has a $1 million incentive in his contract if his team makes the playoffs. As bonuses are termed likely vs unlikely depending on what circumstances happened the prior season, Brooks’ bonus will flip from likely to unlikely for the 2025-26 season (and beyond) because the Suns did not make the playoffs last season. (Brooks still earned this bonus for the 2024-25 season, which is not impacted by this trade.)
Now, because Brooks’ bonus flips to unlikely, he’ll go on the Phoenix books at $1 million less. That means the Suns are bringing in $54.5 million, which is less than the $54.7 million that they send out. That makes this a legal trade.
This is a very rare occurrence where both teams are technically sending out more salary than they are bringing in, because of how Brooks’ bonus will flip upon completion of the trade. A relatively small, but incredibly important detail that allows this trade to be made.
With that retrospective, I was looking at some of the deals we signed this offseason, particularly the somewhat baffling deal for third string center Clint Capela. Most Rockets fans have positive memories of Capela from the Harden days, but the signing moved us well into tax territory, and basically killed any chance to easily duck the tax this year. As fond as those memories are, its somewhat strange to sabotage that for a very unnecessary 3rd string center. Particularly with the Eason extension looming. Wouldn't you rather have that money to allocate to Eason, who is an absolute rock star?
So I went down a rabbit hole of perhaps the Rockets are trying to assemble a collection of filler salary to make a big move and leverage their remaining stash of future picks, even if its an older guy, as they demonstrated they are okay with that, by trading for Durant.
So if they are collecting salary filler, it seems like FVV would almost have to go out somewhere to make the numbers workable. Is there a team similar to the Rockets from two years ago, ready for a good veteran player, to help some kids take a step forward?
What team might give an expiring and young player or late first for FVV, to route to a third team as part of a bigger deal, sending a star to Houston?
The Lakers and Clippers are the teams that stick out to me. Maybe the Magic?
Houston would be really interesting if they could get Anthony Davis or Giannis. AD is probably more realistic in a year:
Sheppard - Thompson - Durant - AD - Sengun
If they weren't a contender before, they would be after.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Was surprised by the Durant trade, and originally thought okay, well the price was just too good to pass up. But then we see that the Green and Brooks contracts lined up perfectly w/ salary, and a miraculous incentive condition which made this a very unique trade. It seems like there was some obvious forethought about this potential trade, when giving out the Green and Brooks deals.
For now, we’re going to assume that Jalen Green is waiving his trade bonus (or the vast majority of it), to complete this trade. If Green insists upon getting his entire bonus, the salary-matching doesn’t work.
Because the Suns are a second-apron team (yes, even after the league year changes over), they can’t aggregate salaries in a trade. Phoenix also can’t take back more money than they send out. The Rockets are well under the aprons and the tax, so they have less concerns with how they match salary.
Houston’s side is easy. They are receiving $54.7 million for Kevin Durant. The Rockets are sending out $55.5 million in salary for Green and Dillon Brooks. That will keep Houston from incurring a first-apron hard cap, as they are sending out more salary than they are taking back. A second-apron hard cap will be incurred because the Rockets are aggregating salaries in this deal, but they have more than enough room under the second apron.
At first glance, the Suns appear to be receiving the same $55.5 million for Green and Dillon Brooks. However, Brooks has a $1 million incentive in his contract if his team makes the playoffs. As bonuses are termed likely vs unlikely depending on what circumstances happened the prior season, Brooks’ bonus will flip from likely to unlikely for the 2025-26 season (and beyond) because the Suns did not make the playoffs last season. (Brooks still earned this bonus for the 2024-25 season, which is not impacted by this trade.)
Now, because Brooks’ bonus flips to unlikely, he’ll go on the Phoenix books at $1 million less. That means the Suns are bringing in $54.5 million, which is less than the $54.7 million that they send out. That makes this a legal trade.
This is a very rare occurrence where both teams are technically sending out more salary than they are bringing in, because of how Brooks’ bonus will flip upon completion of the trade. A relatively small, but incredibly important detail that allows this trade to be made.
With that retrospective, I was looking at some of the deals we signed this offseason, particularly the somewhat baffling deal for third string center Clint Capela. Most Rockets fans have positive memories of Capela from the Harden days, but the signing moved us well into tax territory, and basically killed any chance to easily duck the tax this year. As fond as those memories are, its somewhat strange to sabotage that for a very unnecessary 3rd string center. Particularly with the Eason extension looming. Wouldn't you rather have that money to allocate to Eason, who is an absolute rock star?
So I went down a rabbit hole of perhaps the Rockets are trying to assemble a collection of filler salary to make a big move and leverage their remaining stash of future picks, even if its an older guy, as they demonstrated they are okay with that, by trading for Durant.
So if they are collecting salary filler, it seems like FVV would almost have to go out somewhere to make the numbers workable. Is there a team similar to the Rockets from two years ago, ready for a good veteran player, to help some kids take a step forward?
What team might give an expiring and young player or late first for FVV, to route to a third team as part of a bigger deal, sending a star to Houston?
The Lakers and Clippers are the teams that stick out to me. Maybe the Magic?
Houston would be really interesting if they could get Anthony Davis or Giannis. AD is probably more realistic in a year:
Sheppard - Thompson - Durant - AD - Sengun
If they weren't a contender before, they would be after.
Lakers have doncic and smart at PG already. Clippers have Harden/Paul/Dunn.
Was surprised by the Durant trade, and originally thought okay, well the price was just too good to pass up. But then we see that the Green and Brooks contracts lined up perfectly w/ salary, and a miraculous incentive condition which made this a very unique trade. It seems like there was some obvious forethought about this potential trade, when giving out the Green and Brooks deals.
With that retrospective, I was looking at some of the deals we signed this offseason, particularly the somewhat baffling deal for third string center Clint Capela. Most Rockets fans have positive memories of Capela from the Harden days, but the signing moved us well into tax territory, and basically killed any chance to easily duck the tax this year. As fond as those memories are, its somewhat strange to sabotage that for a very unnecessary 3rd string center. Particularly with the Eason extension looming. Wouldn't you rather have that money to allocate to Eason, who is an absolute rock star?
So I went down a rabbit hole of perhaps the Rockets are trying to assemble a collection of filler salary to make a big move and leverage their remaining stash of future picks, even if its an older guy, as they demonstrated they are okay with that, by trading for Durant.
So if they are collecting salary filler, it seems like FVV would almost have to go out somewhere to make the numbers workable. Is there a team similar to the Rockets from two years ago, ready for a good veteran player, to help some kids take a step forward?
What team might give an expiring and young player or late first for FVV, to route to a third team as part of a bigger deal, sending a star to Houston?
The Lakers and Clippers are the teams that stick out to me. Maybe the Magic?
Houston would be really interesting if they could get Anthony Davis or Giannis. AD is probably more realistic in a year:
Sheppard - Thompson - Durant - AD - Sengun
If they weren't a contender before, they would be after.
Lakers have doncic and smart at PG already. Clippers have Harden/Paul/Dunn.
Smart really hasn't looked good in a while and even at his best is a lower tier guard. I think FVV is a great fit with Luka. LAC has an ancient Paul and Harden who can defend 2s. I like Dunn, but he should not stop them from getting fvv
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Houston as-is has very little PG and playmaking skills in their rotation. IMO they've got an extra forward and are short a guard. Trading FVV for another star - unless it's a star PG - would create a huge roster balance issue.
giberish wrote:Houston as-is has very little PG and playmaking skills in their rotation. IMO they've got an extra forward and are short a guard. Trading FVV for another star - unless it's a star PG - would create a huge roster balance issue.
This is under the assumption that Reed turns into the player alot of us think he can be.
giberish wrote:Houston as-is has very little PG and playmaking skills in their rotation. IMO they've got an extra forward and are short a guard. Trading FVV for another star - unless it's a star PG - would create a huge roster balance issue.
This is under the assumption that Reed turns into the player alot of us think he can be.
Reed being that player in his 2nd year after being a non-rotation player as a rookie is a HUGE ask. Especially as there wouldn't be much playmaking help. Even just being a solid backup to FVV (and acceptably covering any games he misses) is perhaps Houston's biggest question as-is.
Is there an AD/min filler for Jerami/Deni/Pick(s) trade that makes sense for both? PDX essentially replaces Grant with AD at the expense of Deni while keeping Scoot, Sharpe, Camara, and their young bigs so AD doesn't have to play center.
Deni gives the Mavs the playmaker they lack on a very reasonable deal, but they have to eat Grant to make the money work.
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They probably won't be able to until partway through the season. We'll see what Sheppard can do, I assume they will have an injury exception to sign a point guard on the market. Maybe Brogdon asked to be released and signs with them? They could trade their 2028 1st + DFS for a point guard, later. They have so many valuable picks, that seems to be the least valuable over the next 3 years. Dosunmu would be a nice target.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Ben Simmons is out there except they have 3 non-shooting centers and Thompson so probably too rough a fit.
Rough for Houston though.
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