OT: NFL 25 Draft and Beyond Thread

[Strick]

Sounds like Daboll had a press conference and left the door open to a QB change this week. The only logical reason to do that (in my opinion) would be he’s making the change and he isn’t ready to announce it yet. His seat has to be hotter than ever and he’s getting desperate

this is a mistake...not that I don't think he can't be good. Just that its simply because Daboll is on the hot seat and trying to save his own ass then whats best for the young kid.

Sure timelines change but when we drafted him there was no play to start him this fast. You wouldn't have signed both Russ and Winston if you felt he would be ready by week 4.

Super desperate move. He has to hope Dart flashes enough early to allow him to leverage his “QB guru” status to buy him time…

Although everything we’ve seen indicates that QB guru stuff was pure BS with Daboll

[GONYK]

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Not disagreeing with Duggan, who is probably the best in the Giants biz, but Daboll has done this every week basically.

But here's hoping he does the right thing with Jameis!!!!

[blue and orange]

Not enough people are talking about this but what message does it send to your fanbase and your locker room to take out Andrew Thomas for the rest of the game. He was owning Chris Jones and looked perfectly fine why take him out snap count my ass.

That is how much winning means to the Giants to treat last night like it was a preseason game.

[TerrenceClarke]

Sounds like Daboll had a press conference and left the door open to a QB change this week. The only logical reason to do that (in my opinion) would be he’s making the change and he isn’t ready to announce it yet. His seat has to be hotter than ever and he’s getting desperate

this is a mistake...not that I don't think he can't be good. Just that its simply because Daboll is on the hot seat and trying to save his own ass then whats best for the young kid.

Sure timelines change but when we drafted him there was no play to start him this fast. You wouldn't have signed both Russ and Winston if you felt he would be ready by week 4.

Super desperate move. He has to hope Dart flashes enough early to allow him to leverage his “QB guru” status to buy him time…

Although everything we’ve seen indicates that QB guru stuff was pure BS with Daboll

It was BS since day one imo.

The narrative around the league was acting like he took some bum talent and turned him into a stud, but the reality is that he was a generational talent and Daboll was his first coach. That's it. Daboll got the "guru" status for just being in the right place and right time.

Allen has played better as a QB since Daboll has left so yeah....that was all Allen.

Daboll is prob the worst "offensive" guy we had here in a long time going back to the Coughlin days. Even baggy suit Mac was better smh.

[DaGawd]

this is a mistake...not that I don't think he can't be good. Just that its simply because Daboll is on the hot seat and trying to save his own ass then whats best for the young kid.

Sure timelines change but when we drafted him there was no play to start him this fast. You wouldn't have signed both Russ and Winston if you felt he would be ready by week 4.

Super desperate move. He has to hope Dart flashes enough early to allow him to leverage his “QB guru” status to buy him time…

Although everything we’ve seen indicates that QB guru stuff was pure BS with Daboll

It was BS since day one imo.

The narrative around the league was acting like he took some bum talent and turned him into a stud, but the reality is that he was a generational talent and Daboll was his first coach. That's it. Daboll got the "guru" status for just being in the right place and right time.

Allen has played better as a QB since Daboll has left so yeah....that was all Allen.

Daboll is prob the worst "offensive" guy we had here in a long time going back to the Coughlin days. Even baggy suit Mac was better smh.

you called it… probably isn’t a coincidence jones played his best since his rookie season the first year daboll got here only to regress the few years after.. another indictment against daboll

[Strick]

Not enough people are talking about this but what message does it send to your fanbase and your locker room to take out Andrew Thomas for the rest of the game. He was owning Chris Jones and looked perfectly fine why take him out snap count my ass.

That is how much winning means to the Giants to treat last night like it was a preseason game.

If he was truly on a pitch count and limited to 25 snaps why the hell would we use them all in the first quarter or first half in a must win game? Makes absolutely no sense at all

[blue and orange]

Not enough people are talking about this but what message does it send to your fanbase and your locker room to take out Andrew Thomas for the rest of the game. He was owning Chris Jones and looked perfectly fine why take him out snap count my ass.

That is how much winning means to the Giants to treat last night like it was a preseason game.

If he was truly on a pitch count and limited to 25 snaps why the hell would we use them all in the first quarter or first half in a must win game? Makes absolutely no sense at all

Haha right, maybe use him in the red zone in the 1st half. Then use him fully. Sounds like 85-86 MJ minutes rules where he was taken out for the game once he reached his minutes, that's the only time I've ever heard of taking a player out for the game.

Not buying the snap count excuse he needs his reps leave him in there idiots. He's physically fine. How is Thomas not mad about this decision or anyone else on the team.

[MrDollarBills]

This is going to end badly.

[Ghetto Gospel]

giants evaluating everything about the players when they need to be evaluating themselves. the problem is everybody in the front office from the owner to the gms to the coaches and scouts

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[Deeeez Knicks]

What’s even the point of these Dart packages this early? All the prep time that goes into having Dart practice runs and rpos. Hes probably on the side line thinking about the 3 plays they have prepped for him. It’s all just distracting at this point in the season. They step on their own toes.

[mpharris36]

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he's had a lot of hits before.

[Ghetto Gospel]

lions still got it even after ben johnson left

[FrozenEnvelope]

I hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think there is any shot that Dart succeeds here. No QB can make it with Daboll/Kafka as his coaches, no weapons outside of Nabers and a GM who has proven he cannot build a team or a OL. He's going to be Zach Wilson 2.0

[GONYK]

I hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think there is any shot that Dart succeeds here. No QB can make it with Daboll/Kafka as his coaches, no weapons outside of Nabers and a GM who has proven he cannot build a team or a OL. He's going to be Zach Wilson 2.0

This just isn't right, IMO. Slayton and Robinson are very capable WR 2 and 3.

There's no real scheme other than "throw the ball to Nabers", but there are weapons. Plenty of teams are getting it done without 3 Calvin Johnsons.

[Ghetto Gospel]

just a reminder that the issues that this team had last year is the same as this year. jaxson dart isn't saving the team

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[Gravy]

This is like the wilderness years of the Knicks when they were searching for a coach who knew what he was doing

[FrozenEnvelope]

I hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think there is any shot that Dart succeeds here. No QB can make it with Daboll/Kafka as his coaches, no weapons outside of Nabers and a GM who has proven he cannot build a team or a OL. He's going to be Zach Wilson 2.0

This just isn't right, IMO. Slayton and Robinson are very capable WR 2 and 3.

There's no real scheme other than "throw the ball to Nabers", but there are weapons. Plenty of teams are getting it done without 3 Calvin Johnsons.

Maybe I'm a mentally beaten up Giants fan but Slayton and Robinson don't impress me. I think Robinson is a decent slot guy with some deep route ability. Slayton is way too inconsistent and hasn't done anything this season. He's not a #2. But I know they are really badly coached and under utilized as well. It's just a **** situation.

[MrDollarBills]

I hope I'm dead wrong but I don't think there is any shot that Dart succeeds here. No QB can make it with Daboll/Kafka as his coaches, no weapons outside of Nabers and a GM who has proven he cannot build a team or a OL. He's going to be Zach Wilson 2.0

This just isn't right, IMO. Slayton and Robinson are very capable WR 2 and 3.

There's no real scheme other than "throw the ball to Nabers", but there are weapons. Plenty of teams are getting it done without 3 Calvin Johnsons.

I think both of you are right.

1) No QB can succeed with this current staff. Daboll is a horrible coach.

2) We have talent. It's not being put into a position to succeed

[MrDollarBills]

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he's had a lot of hits before.

I hope this kid can hang in there because he's being set up to fail

[GONYK]

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he's had a lot of hits before.

I hope this kid can hang in there because he's being set up to fail

This the Daniel Jones situation all over again, but without the support of a Saquon.

Dart will have to be transcendent.