NBA Trade Thread #13

[Ronny_G]

How about Ayo for Walker Kessler straight up? or alternatively Ayo and Jalen for Walker Kessler and Kyle Anderson. Utah going younger and Ayo arguably the best player in the trade. Both he and and Kessler on the final year of their deal. Utah has seemed sort of lukewarm about Kessler.

I think you'd have to throw in 2 1st round picks + Ayo to even get Ainge on the phone. I might still do that for the bulls as Kessler is 24 and seemingly a perfect fit as a 7 ft athletic rim protector.

[HomoSapien]

How about Ayo for Walker Kessler straight up? or alternatively Ayo and Jalen for Walker Kessler and Kyle Anderson. Utah going younger and Ayo arguably the best player in the trade. Both he and and Kessler on the final year of their deal. Utah has seemed sort of lukewarm about Kessler.

Ayo is not arguably the best player in the deal. It's definitely Kessler. He's high on my target list though. I would easily include a first round pick for him.

[WesPeace]

I would do a trade of unprotected 1st rounder and Smith for Kessler! I doubt Ainge would accept it..

Kessler starts, Vooch to bench, Collins plays 4 and 5 based on need. If possible of course follow up Kessler trade with Vooch trade, but we have seen AKME has trouble doing that. He should've accepted 2x 2nd rounders when it was on the table.

[poolshark52]

How about Ayo for Walker Kessler straight up? or alternatively Ayo and Jalen for Walker Kessler and Kyle Anderson. Utah going younger and Ayo arguably the best player in the trade. Both he and and Kessler on the final year of their deal. Utah has seemed sort of lukewarm about Kessler.

Ayo is not arguably the best player in the deal. It's definitely Kessler. He's high on my target list though. I would easily include a first round pick for him.

I don't think it is "definitely" Kessler. He's not that great and Ayo's overall career and best statistics overall outshine him. I get hes really tall so that magnifies his value. Kyle Anderson is misplaced on the Jazz and offers little for his 3 year deal that we would be taking on in the deal I proposed. You do have to make the salaries match. I'd do a much later (however far out we can go) top 3 protected first as well.

[Chi town]

I could see Pat and Carter for Kuzma.

Carter would actually play for them.

Kuzma sucks but he’s expiring.

[HomoSapien]

How about Ayo for Walker Kessler straight up? or alternatively Ayo and Jalen for Walker Kessler and Kyle Anderson. Utah going younger and Ayo arguably the best player in the trade. Both he and and Kessler on the final year of their deal. Utah has seemed sort of lukewarm about Kessler.

Ayo is not arguably the best player in the deal. It's definitely Kessler. He's high on my target list though. I would easily include a first round pick for him.

I don't think it is "definitely" Kessler. He's not that great and Ayo's overall career and best statistics overall outshine him. I get hes really tall so that magnifies his value. Kyle Anderson is misplaced on the Jazz and offers little for his 3 year deal that we would be taking on in the deal I proposed. You do have to make the salaries match. I'd do a much later (however far out we can go) top 3 protected first as well.

Come on, now. Kessler is 5th in the entire league in RPG and 2nd in BPG. What is Ayo doing that remotely touches that?

Even this statement about having a better overall career is false. Kessler was third in voting for ROY as a rookie. Ayo is a solid player, but this is just an incorrect assessment.

[Chi town]

FVV out with acl all year.

Ayo?
Coby?

[ChettheJet]

Looking at it from HOU, they made the Durant move so they can't afford to do nothing and throw away this season to just get to the semi finals. But they see FVV as coming back from a serious injury at 32 years old next year.

I doubt they see Ayo as any kind of replacement. With KD changing the rotation Coby probably would be enough of a PG/SG to fill part of the gap with the hope a young guy they've got steps up some as well. They may find a dozen other options.

As a Bulls fan it's hard to remember ever being in that position but I've got to take the gamble on overpaying for the expiring Coby White, if he works out maybe you find a way to keep him, if they just come close to the Finals then you see FVV's rehab progress and have a small expiring contact.You might have to push what seems like too many chips in the pot to get the guy you want, Coby or somebody else. Some from Sheppard, Jabari Smith, Eason, Tate and they have 3 2027 picks incoming.

[poolshark52]

Ayo is not arguably the best player in the deal. It's definitely Kessler. He's high on my target list though. I would easily include a first round pick for him.

I don't think it is "definitely" Kessler. He's not that great and Ayo's overall career and best statistics overall outshine him. I get hes really tall so that magnifies his value. Kyle Anderson is misplaced on the Jazz and offers little for his 3 year deal that we would be taking on in the deal I proposed. You do have to make the salaries match. I'd do a much later (however far out we can go) top 3 protected first as well.

Come on, now. Kessler is 5th in the entire league in RPG and 2nd in BPG. What is Ayo doing that remotely touches that?

Even this statement about having a better overall career is false. Kessler was third in voting for ROY as a rookie. Ayo is a solid player, but this is just an incorrect assessment.

Oh right, i forgot about those super valuable rebounds (note to self, Vuc must actually be good). Kessler can't shoot and doesn't really impact offense at all outside of dunks. Yes he blocks shots and is a rim protector. No, he isn't a great player. Ayo does impact with both defense and offense even if he doesn't excel. I'm just saying that they aren't as far apart as some might think.

[HomoSapien]

I don't think it is "definitely" Kessler. He's not that great and Ayo's overall career and best statistics overall outshine him. I get hes really tall so that magnifies his value. Kyle Anderson is misplaced on the Jazz and offers little for his 3 year deal that we would be taking on in the deal I proposed. You do have to make the salaries match. I'd do a much later (however far out we can go) top 3 protected first as well.

Come on, now. Kessler is 5th in the entire league in RPG and 2nd in BPG. What is Ayo doing that remotely touches that?

Even this statement about having a better overall career is false. Kessler was third in voting for ROY as a rookie. Ayo is a solid player, but this is just an incorrect assessment.

Oh right, i forgot about those super valuable rebounds (note to self, Vuc must actually be good). Kessler can't shoot and doesn't really impact offense at all outside of dunks. Yes he blocks shots and is a rim protector. No, he isn't a great player. Ayo does impact with both defense and offense even if he doesn't excel. I'm just saying that they aren't as far apart as some might think.

They are far apart. This is absurd.

[poolshark52]

Come on, now. Kessler is 5th in the entire league in RPG and 2nd in BPG. What is Ayo doing that remotely touches that?

Even this statement about having a better overall career is false. Kessler was third in voting for ROY as a rookie. Ayo is a solid player, but this is just an incorrect assessment.

Oh right, i forgot about those super valuable rebounds (note to self, Vuc must actually be good). Kessler can't shoot and doesn't really impact offense at all outside of dunks. Yes he blocks shots and is a rim protector. No, he isn't a great player. Ayo does impact with both defense and offense even if he doesn't excel. I'm just saying that they aren't as far apart as some might think.

They are far apart. This is absurd.

Kessler is generally rated pretty low. Look at the latest Big man ratings from the Athletic (they are reputable at least). He is 35 of 40. It is not absurd unless you have an absurd definition of absurd.

[HomoSapien]

Oh right, i forgot about those super valuable rebounds (note to self, Vuc must actually be good). Kessler can't shoot and doesn't really impact offense at all outside of dunks. Yes he blocks shots and is a rim protector. No, he isn't a great player. Ayo does impact with both defense and offense even if he doesn't excel. I'm just saying that they aren't as far apart as some might think.

They are far apart. This is absurd.

Kessler is generally rated pretty low. Look at the latest Big man ratings from the Athletic (they are reputable at least). He is 35 of 40. It is not absurd unless you have an absurd definition of absurd.

Again, Kessler is elite at two major categories (three if you include FG%). He's a clear starting-level center. He's not a focal point on offense, but he has the potential to be a defensive anchor and an important piece of a rebuild. Ayo is somewhere between 5th starter and 8th man at the moment. He's solid at many things, elite at nothing, and historically a very up-and-down shooter. I like him, there's a place for him in this league, but he plays an easy-to-fill position. It's obvious that these two are not in the same ball-park in terms of trade value. One Zach Harper article doesn't change that, although it's worth noting that Ayo, not surprisingly, doesn't make his top 40 guard's list.

[GuardianEnzo]

With VanVleet out for the year, Coby to the Rockets sort of immediately springs to mind. They certainly have the "young players with experience" box ticked off, and the salaries could probably be made to work. Reed Sheppard for sure, the other pieces an interesting puzzle.

[Chi town]

With VanVleet out for the year, Coby to the Rockets sort of immediately springs to mind. They certainly have the "young players with experience" box ticked off, and the salaries could probably be made to work. Reed Sheppard for sure, the other pieces an interesting puzzle.

They don’t have a 26 1st. But have 3 27’ picks.

Coby for Reed and Eason? Eason is always hurt and will need to be paid.

No way they roll with Reed and no vet PG.

I like Reed as a fit with Giddey Buz Noa

[GuardianEnzo]

I love Sheppaed for us, if you can pry him away, They have the assets, future picks and otherwise - it's a question of matching the money and how much are they willing to give up.

[HomoSapien]

I like Reed but how many years is it going to take for him to become as good as Coby? Does he even project to be as good? These are important questions to ask because we need to start moving forward at some point. Reed is obviously younger and won't have to be paid for awhile, but Coby is also young and in his prime.

[sco]

With VanVleet out for the year, Coby to the Rockets sort of immediately springs to mind. They certainly have the "young players with experience" box ticked off, and the salaries could probably be made to work. Reed Sheppard for sure, the other pieces an interesting puzzle.

They don’t have a 26 1st. But have 3 27’ picks.

Coby for Reed and Eason? Eason is always hurt and will need to be paid.

No way they roll with Reed and no vet PG.

I like Reed as a fit with Giddey Buz Noa

I'd do that deal, but doubt they do.

A lesser deal that may be helpful...Carter for Capela. $ seem to work.

[Chi town]

I like Reed but how many years is it going to take for him to become as good as Coby? Does he even project to be as good? These are important questions to ask because we need to start moving forward at some point. Reed is obviously younger and won't have to be paid for awhile, but Coby is also young and in his prime.

I think Reed will be an elite 3D shooter that would excel in our pace offense but I don’t think he will ever have the bag Coby has. Coby will never be the defender Reed is. Reed is sky high IQ too.

[sco]

I like Reed but how many years is it going to take for him to become as good as Coby? Does he even project to be as good? These are important questions to ask because we need to start moving forward at some point. Reed is obviously younger and won't have to be paid for awhile, but Coby is also young and in his prime.

I think Reed will be an elite 3D shooter that would excel in our pace offense but I don’t think he will ever have the bag Coby has. Coby will never be the defender Reed is. Reed is sky high IQ too.

With our too many PG situation, I'd want AK to be all over this situation to upgrade our squad with one of Eason Smith or Shepperd, knowing AK, he won't even make a call.

[ChettheJet]

As an aside on Sheppard, you have to evaluate talent versus production. Do the Bulls see that he's got the skill level that could make him something versus he's a young guy on a playoff run growing HOU roster over filled with FRPs so has he been given much time in a role that allows him to grow or is he told to be a support piece to the other 4 more veteran players on the floor? Today minus other trades the Bulls are in a very good position to ease a young guy like Sheppard into the rotation. With Giddey and Jones to cover the PG slot they can start Huerter and have Ayo as a combo guy so that Sheppard isn't forced to play 32 minutes and sink or swim before he understands what role he needs to fill. How he does affects what becomes of FAs like Huerter and Ayo next summer

Again, Kessler is elite at two major categories (three if you include FG%). He's a clear starting-level center. He's not a focal point on offense, but he has the potential to be a defensive anchor and an important piece of a rebuild. Ayo is somewhere between 5th starter and 8th man at the moment. He's solid at many things, elite at nothing, and historically a very up-and-down shooter. I like him, there's a place for him in this league, but he plays an easy-to-fill position. It's obvious that these two are not in the same ball-park in terms of trade value. One Zach Harper article doesn't change that, although it's worth noting that Ayo, not surprisingly, doesn't make his top 40 guard's list.

Kessler is what he is but coming to the Bulls he wouldn't have to change his game. The Bulls know what he can and can't do,it's on them to see if they can put 4 shooters on the floor with him, ball handlers who can screen roll or lob pass to him and have a couple of guys who can create their own shot. That's different from who they need to put on the floor with Vuc who doesn't do some of those things while being a facilitator and 3pt shooter. Kessler fills his role it would be up to the Bulls to surround him with the right mix of players for the team to succeed.