Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

Seth, melton, gp2, and horford were all but confirmed today.

That's a lot of small players. The Warriors must think Kuminga is coming back, one way or another (new contract or QO).

Kerr must be wetting himself over the small-ball possibilities.

[Twinkie defense]

Seth, melton, gp2, and horford were all but confirmed today.

That's a lot of small players. The Warriors must think Kuminga is coming back, one way or another (new contract or QO).

Kerr must be wetting himself over the small-ball possibilities.

Horford and Post, first time ever Warriors will have some shooting bigs to play alongside Draymond!

[Crazy-Canuck]

Seth, melton, gp2, and horford were all but confirmed today.

That's a lot of small players. The Warriors must think Kuminga is coming back, one way or another (new contract or QO).

Kerr must be wetting himself over the small-ball possibilities.

Yeah. Small guards. And a bunch of players better suited to be a 4. But we do have size in horford, post, and even tjd. (I miss loon already).

Its why I think the missing piece is a versatile wing with size who can guard 1 through 4. Every dubs team that has won, had anyways had one. It kinda brings the line up together. It's also why I think theres internal frustrations with kuminga. The team has wanted him to be that playet (a bigger and stronger version of wiggins). It's why they've always made comparisons to Marion and Gordon. It's not like he can't, he just thinks it's beneath him to do it.

I watched a couple of interviews of beas and slump taking about their early time in the league, and I kept thinking about jk.

[Nvnervous45]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

[watch1958]

With Fred VV hurt, Lacob finally gets his dream. Sign JK for around 25, then send JK, Podz and Draymond to Houston for KD. Mid season I guess.

[Crazy-Canuck]

With Fred VV hurt, Lacob finally gets his dream. Sign JK for around 25, then send JK, Podz and Draymond to Houston for KD. Mid season I guess.

Another guy with a po, which is basically a no trade clause that bites the team in the arse.

[Nvnervous45]

KD needs a Draymond to call him out when he is selfish. That's why Phoenix and Brooklyn failed. No accountability!

[michaelm]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

I tend to agree with he and his agent that GSW/Kerr could have utilised him better, but also consider it highly unlikely that he is the next LeBron James but has been suppressed by GSW, the assumption that both he and his agent seem to be operating under.

I can’t see how proving he is not a team player off court as well as on court which appears to be what he is doing currently is going to aid his cause.

[Onus]

KD does not want to be here, he was absolutely miserable in that last season.

[EvanZ]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

I tend to agree with he and his agent that GSW/Kerr could have utilised him better, but also consider it highly unlikely that he is the next LeBron James but has been suppressed by GSW, the assumption that both he and his agent seem to be operating under.

I can’t see how proving he is not a team player off court as well as on court which appears to be what he is doing currently is going to aid his cause.

There are very few stars that needed a change of scenery to shine in the way JK sees for himself. Lauri is arguably one of the few recent examples if one still even considers him at that level. But let's say for sake of argument that's the case here. Most of the time a true star is just so good that he can make any team better. And it just works wherever he goes because the talent is just at that level. Jimmy Butler is an obvious example of a guy who has proved even with his flaws he just makes you better. Think about it. Jimmy is not too different from Kuminga physically. Maybe a bit stronger, but less explosive and less length. Jimmy can't shoot either. But he is a star because of his handle, his IQ, and his toughness. Kuminga has none of these. And that's why Jimmy is so obviously the better player and superseded him so easily in the rotation. Kuminga needs to do more than slash and cut. But he can't. If he could do those things, he would have shown it by now. He's been here 4 seasons and played thousands of minutes. He's not going to suddenly develop a handle or IQ just by going somewhere else. It basically never works that way. He's fools gold. He might get nominally better and carve out a fine career for himself, but it will be along the lines of a Harrison Barnes progression. Or maybe a Tobias Harris. But hell, those guys can at least shoot. If Kuminga doesn't improve his shot, even those comps are too optimistic.

[EvanZ]

I have a trade assuming Kuminga is re-signed that feels realistic and helpful. Kuminga and Hield for Herro. Herro has two years left and no option. It’s a perfect fit for our timeline. The Heat are likely trying to move him anyway. Zach Lowe discussed possible trades in his latest pod but didn’t mention GS. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I have a trade assuming Kuminga is re-signed that feels realistic and helpful. Kuminga and Hield for Herro. Herro has two years left and no option. It’s a perfect fit for our timeline. The Heat are likely trying to move him anyway. Zach Lowe discussed possible trades in his latest pod but didn’t mention GS. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Some heat fans think of him as baby steph. Nvm, that he might be the worst defensive player in the league. That aside, they aren't going to give him away for 2 guys that won't start. Jk would probably be their 4th big in their rotation behind bam, ware, and jovic. And heild is ....well heild.

[NW]

KD needs a Draymond to call him out when he is selfish. That's why Phoenix and Brooklyn failed. No accountability!

Well, with FVV down, he’s going to have to assume more of a leadership role. Let’s see how that goes

[NW]

With Fred VV hurt, Lacob finally gets his dream. Sign JK for around 25, then send JK, Podz and Draymond to Houston for KD. Mid season I guess.

I assume that’s a joke, but interestingly enough, a guy that would be the perfect fit for Houston now is Malik Monk. Not sure what Houston adds to make the money work, but a 3-way deal that sends Monk to Houston and Kuminga to Sac could be interesting.

[wco81]

Herro sucks.

Now coming off an injury?

You want him taking those off the dribble shots instead of Curry?

[EvanZ]

Herro sucks.

Now coming off an injury?

You want him taking those off the dribble shots instead of Curry?

What an absolutely monumentally dumb question.

[EvanZ]

I have a trade assuming Kuminga is re-signed that feels realistic and helpful. Kuminga and Hield for Herro. Herro has two years left and no option. It’s a perfect fit for our timeline. The Heat are likely trying to move him anyway. Zach Lowe discussed possible trades in his latest pod but didn’t mention GS. Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Some heat fans think of him as baby steph. Nvm, that he might be the worst defensive player in the league. That aside, they aren't going to give him away for 2 guys that won't start. Jk would probably be their 4th big in their rotation behind bam, ware, and jovic. And heild is ....well heild.

Would have to give up a pick obviously. Wouldn't do it for more than one pick, but if it is one future first, it's worth it. As for his defense, unlikely it's worse than Hield in a lower usage role. He's basically Monk with more shooting. Remember we won a chip with Poole in that role.

[AirP.]

I just had to deal with 5 years of Herro and some of the lowest IQ shots I've had to see taken coupled with some of the worst defense in the NBA and now fans on Butler's new team want him (especially at the price he'll demand and someone will give it to him). He's a great shooter, no doubt but his ego is much like Kuminga's, too high to allow them to play within a role for a winning team. Miami made the bubble finals with Herro as a rookie but he didn't dominate the ball as he did the rest of his career (so far) and the multiple ECF runs and even the Finals appearance after that only happened with Herro out.

BTW... didn't a Herro with Bam led team just get beat by around 100 points their last 2 payoff games?

[EvanZ]

I just had to deal with 5 years of Herro and some of the lowest IQ shots I've had to see taken coupled with some of the worst defense in the NBA and now fans on Butler's new team want him (especially at the price he'll demand and someone will give it to him). He's a great shooter, no doubt but his ego is much like Kuminga's, too high to allow them to play within a role for a winning team. Miami made the bubble finals with Herro as a rookie but he didn't dominate the ball as he did the rest of his career (so far) and the multiple ECF runs and even the Finals appearance after that only happened with Herro out.

BTW... didn't a Herro with Bam led team just get beat by around 100 points their last 2 payoff games?

Herro had 5.5 ast to 2.5 tov per game last season. He took 9 3's a game at 38%. He also had a usage near 30% which is going to tax him on the defensive side. On the Warriors he wouldn't have to expend as much energy on offense. He has the tools to be every bit as "good" as Podz on d. Hield was always a sieve before he came to the Warriors and he probably played the best defense of his life here last season. I don't see why Herro can't do that. His DARKO suggests a much more impactful player than people here seem to think:

[thunderdunk]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

JK and his agent probably recognize that selfless play wins rings, but putting up numbers wins bigger contracts.

That said, if he could shoot and rebound better, he'd be putting up better numbers. But his shot is suspect, and his rebounding is terrible.

JK sees himself as a "focus" NBA player, and most GM's don't. Otherwise, he'd have his contract already. He and his agent are negotiating like he's already got the full package of skills. Nice that he's got confidence in himself, but he's nowhere near where he needs to be as a player. Otherwise, Kerr would've started him a long time ago.