Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[EvanZ]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

JK and his agent probably recognize that selfless play wins rings, but putting up numbers wins bigger contracts.

That said, if he could shoot and rebound better, he'd be putting up better numbers. But his shot is suspect, and his rebounding is terrible.

JK sees himself as a "focus" NBA player, and most GM's don't. Otherwise, he'd have his contract already. He and his agent are negotiating like he's already got the full package of skills. Nice that he's got confidence in himself, but he's nowhere near where he needs to be as a player. Otherwise, Kerr would've started him a long time ago.

Right, like essentially...he plays like Zion but without being elite at getting to the rim or having Zion's vision as a passer (which isn't amazing but it's not bad). That is not a player archetype you want to make big bets on.

[wco81]

Herro sucks.

Now coming off an injury?

You want him taking those off the dribble shots instead of Curry?

What an absolutely monumentally dumb question.

So that's a yes, what a dumb **** take.

JK dribbles so much so trade him for another guy who relies on dribbling the air out of the ball.

[wco81]

Herro had 5.5 ast to 2.5 tov per game last season. He took 9 3's a game at 38%. He also had a usage near 30% which is going to tax him on the defensive side. On the Warriors he wouldn't have to expend as much energy on offense. He has the tools to be every bit as "good" as Podz on d. Hield was always a sieve before he came to the Warriors and he probably played the best defense of his life here last season. I don't see why Herro can't do that. His DARKO suggests a much more impactful player than people here seem to think:

In 4 playoffs games in the spring, Herro shot 41.5/31 while constantly getting hunted on defense.

His career playoff shooting is 41.4/32.8 on 5.9 3PA in 50 games. The 3PA are trending up and the 3P% is trending down in the last two playoffs.

Yeah let's pay him over $30 million to be the #2 scorer on the team.

At least Hield competed on defense in the playoffs. Buddy shot 41.6/42.9 in 12 playoffs games for the Warriors, 6.4 3PA.

His only other playoffs, 4 games for the 76ers, more limited but still shot well, 46.3 on 3.3 3PA.

[EvanZ]

Herro had 5.5 ast to 2.5 tov per game last season. He took 9 3's a game at 38%. He also had a usage near 30% which is going to tax him on the defensive side. On the Warriors he wouldn't have to expend as much energy on offense. He has the tools to be every bit as "good" as Podz on d. Hield was always a sieve before he came to the Warriors and he probably played the best defense of his life here last season. I don't see why Herro can't do that. His DARKO suggests a much more impactful player than people here seem to think:

In 4 playoffs games in the spring, Herro shot 41.5/31 while constantly getting hunted on defense.

His career playoff shooting is 41.4/32.8 on 5.9 3PA in 50 games. The 3PA are trending up and the 3P% is trending down in the last two playoffs.

Yeah let's pay him over $30 million to be the #2 scorer on the team.

At least Hield competed on defense in the playoffs. Buddy shot 41.6/42.9 in 12 playoffs games for the Warriors, 6.4 3PA.

His only other playoffs, 4 games for the 76ers, more limited but still shot well, 46.3 on 3.3 3PA.

It's truly astonishing how clueless some of you are. You're talking about 4 games and a guy who was the first option. That's a hell of a lot different than the role he'd play for us.

And 2 years at $30M is peanuts if it makes us more competitive. And it would. It would make us vastly better than having JK and Hield on this roster. Use that gray **** between your ears man. This isn't hard.

[wco81]

Herro had 5.5 ast to 2.5 tov per game last season. He took 9 3's a game at 38%. He also had a usage near 30% which is going to tax him on the defensive side. On the Warriors he wouldn't have to expend as much energy on offense. He has the tools to be every bit as "good" as Podz on d. Hield was always a sieve before he came to the Warriors and he probably played the best defense of his life here last season. I don't see why Herro can't do that. His DARKO suggests a much more impactful player than people here seem to think:

In 4 playoffs games in the spring, Herro shot 41.5/31 while constantly getting hunted on defense.

His career playoff shooting is 41.4/32.8 on 5.9 3PA in 50 games. The 3PA are trending up and the 3P% is trending down in the last two playoffs.

Yeah let's pay him over $30 million to be the #2 scorer on the team.

At least Hield competed on defense in the playoffs. Buddy shot 41.6/42.9 in 12 playoffs games for the Warriors, 6.4 3PA.

His only other playoffs, 4 games for the 76ers, more limited but still shot well, 46.3 on 3.3 3PA.

It's truly astonishing how clueless some of you are. You're talking about 4 games and a guy who was the first option. That's a hell of a lot different than the role he'd play for us.

And 2 years at $30M is peanuts if it makes us more competitive. And it would. It would make us vastly better than having JK and Hield on this roster. Use that gray **** between your ears man. This isn't hard.

More moronic takes as usual with the attacks when people don't agree.

It's 4 playoffs games in 2025 but 50 playoffs games over several seasons. So there's a sizable data set. Shooting percentages go down for many players in the playoffs, because teams are allowed to guard more physically as well as playoffs teams generally being better on defense and bearing down more than they do in the regular season.

Kerr won't play him in crunch time because he's a liability on defense. It's one thing to hide Curry, but to hide both Curry, who's generally been better than Herro on defense, and Herro?

So what's the point in having him on the team when in the most crucial minutes, he's unplayable?

But he just hasn't performed well enough in the playoffs to positively impact his team.

[EvanZ]

In 4 playoffs games in the spring, Herro shot 41.5/31 while constantly getting hunted on defense.

His career playoff shooting is 41.4/32.8 on 5.9 3PA in 50 games. The 3PA are trending up and the 3P% is trending down in the last two playoffs.

Yeah let's pay him over $30 million to be the #2 scorer on the team.

At least Hield competed on defense in the playoffs. Buddy shot 41.6/42.9 in 12 playoffs games for the Warriors, 6.4 3PA.

His only other playoffs, 4 games for the 76ers, more limited but still shot well, 46.3 on 3.3 3PA.

It's truly astonishing how clueless some of you are. You're talking about 4 games and a guy who was the first option. That's a hell of a lot different than the role he'd play for us.

And 2 years at $30M is peanuts if it makes us more competitive. And it would. It would make us vastly better than having JK and Hield on this roster. Use that gray **** between your ears man. This isn't hard.

More moronic takes as usual with the attacks when people don't agree.

It's 4 playoffs games in 2025 but 50 playoffs games over several seasons. So there's a sizable data set. Shooting percentages go down for many players in the playoffs, because teams are allowed to guard more physically as well as playoffs teams generally being better on defense and bearing down more than they do in the regular season.

Kerr won't play him in crunch time because he's a liability on defense. It's one thing to hide Curry, but to hide both Curry, who's generally been better than Herro on defense, and Herro?

So what's the point in having him on the team when in the most crucial minutes, he's unplayable?

But he just hasn't performed well enough in the playoffs to positively impact his team.

Kerr had no problem playing Hield, buddy.

[EvanZ]

Actually amazing someone is out here arguing for Buddy Hield and Kuminga over Herro.


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The only question is how much you have to give Miami to get him.

[Onus]

The heat were unwilling to add Herro for Dame, they aren't trading Herro for JK and a 1st.

[EvanZ]

The heat were unwilling to add Herro for Dame, they aren't trading Herro for JK and a 1st.

Dame is making $60M, how is that a comparable case? How many picks was MIL going to give them?

[Twinkie defense]

There are a few players who care more about the team winning than personal stats; JK isn't one of them...

I tend to agree with he and his agent that GSW/Kerr could have utilised him better, but also consider it highly unlikely that he is the next LeBron James but has been suppressed by GSW, the assumption that both he and his agent seem to be operating under.

I can’t see how proving he is not a team player off court as well as on court which appears to be what he is doing currently is going to aid his cause.

There are very few stars that needed a change of scenery to shine in the way JK sees for himself. Lauri is arguably one of the few recent examples if one still even considers him at that level. But let's say for sake of argument that's the case here. Most of the time a true star is just so good that he can make any team better. And it just works wherever he goes because the talent is just at that level. Jimmy Butler is an obvious example of a guy who has proved even with his flaws he just makes you better. Think about it. Jimmy is not too different from Kuminga physically. Maybe a bit stronger, but less explosive and less length. Jimmy can't shoot either. But he is a star because of his handle, his IQ, and his toughness. Kuminga has none of these. And that's why Jimmy is so obviously the better player and superseded him so easily in the rotation. Kuminga needs to do more than slash and cut. But he can't. If he could do those things, he would have shown it by now. He's been here 4 seasons and played thousands of minutes. He's not going to suddenly develop a handle or IQ just by going somewhere else. It basically never works that way. He's fools gold. He might get nominally better and carve out a fine career for himself, but it will be along the lines of a Harrison Barnes progression. Or maybe a Tobias Harris. But hell, those guys can at least shoot. If Kuminga doesn't improve his shot, even those comps are too optimistic.

Best case for Kuminga is a he goes to a bad team, puts up empty stats, gets paid, but never sniffs the playoffs again... I guess he's got his ring already.

[AirP.]

I just had to deal with 5 years of Herro and some of the lowest IQ shots I've had to see taken coupled with some of the worst defense in the NBA and now fans on Butler's new team want him (especially at the price he'll demand and someone will give it to him). He's a great shooter, no doubt but his ego is much like Kuminga's, too high to allow them to play within a role for a winning team. Miami made the bubble finals with Herro as a rookie but he didn't dominate the ball as he did the rest of his career (so far) and the multiple ECF runs and even the Finals appearance after that only happened with Herro out.

BTW... didn't a Herro with Bam led team just get beat by around 100 points their last 2 payoff games?

Herro had 5.5 ast to 2.5 tov per game last season. He took 9 3's a game at 38%. He also had a usage near 30% which is going to tax him on the defensive side. On the Warriors he wouldn't have to expend as much energy on offense. He has the tools to be every bit as "good" as Podz on d. Hield was always a sieve before he came to the Warriors and he probably played the best defense of his life here last season. I don't see why Herro can't do that. His DARKO suggests a much more impactful player than people here seem to think:

Spoiler:

I had 5 years of watching him nearly every single game for Miami pretending to be a traffic cone on defense most of the time. There were times when he did give effort and with that he was passable but that didn't happen often. A lot of defense is just giving effort, so if you stink and you're not extremely small like Trae Young it's your effort, especially if you're 6-6 like Herro.

If you look at Herro's calculated DRRG on BBRef you'll see his career average is 113, last year it was 115 (tied worst in his career), the offense was completely changed to take advantage of Herro's talents (which is why Butler was done after finding out in training camp) and it got him to an all-star game and nearly 2 50 point losses in the 1st round of the playoffs. He shouldn't be a #1, he shouldn't be a #2, he should be your deadly 3pt shooter off the ball who can do more with the ball if needed.

I am so done with players going 5-23 (Butler was out so he went gunning more that game) and taking these types of shots vs trying to play winning basketball. Notice the 1 on 4, 4 seconds have gone off the clock, only up a few points in the 2nd half of the 4th quarter and pulling up from nearly 30 feet.

Spoiler:

[TB]

He shouldn't be a #1, he shouldn't be a #2, he should be your deadly 3pt shooter off the ball who can do more with the ball if needed.

Isn’t this exactly what we need on offense next to Steph/Jimmy?

[EvanZ]

He shouldn't be a #1, he shouldn't be a #2, he should be your deadly 3pt shooter off the ball who can do more with the ball if needed.

Isn’t this exactly what we need on offense next to Steph/Jimmy?

It’s so obvious he doesn’t get it.

[wco81]

Actually amazing someone is out here arguing for Buddy Hield and Kuminga over Herro.

Buddy played much better last spring than Herro, helped the Warriors win playoffs games.

[EvanZ]

Actually amazing someone is out here arguing for Buddy Hield and Kuminga over Herro.

Buddy played much better last spring than Herro, helped the Warriors win playoffs games.

I thought we had Kuminga's agent in here already, but I guess we have Buddy's agent too.

[Onus]

The heat were unwilling to add Herro for Dame, they aren't trading Herro for JK and a 1st.

Dame is making $60M, how is that a comparable case? How many picks was MIL going to give them?

You mean how many were the heat offering when dame was trying to get there when he was in Portland? Because that was when the heat were unwilling to trade herro for dame.

[marthafokker]

Actually amazing someone is out here arguing for Buddy Hield and Kuminga over Herro.

Buddy played much better last spring than Herro, helped the Warriors win playoffs games.

Buddy played a lot of defense that never expected him to. Herro will do even worse than JK on D. Will Kerr bench him too for not playing D?

[Twinkie defense]

Count me out of the Tyler Herro sweepstakes.

[EvanZ]

The heat were unwilling to add Herro for Dame, they aren't trading Herro for JK and a 1st.

Dame is making $60M, how is that a comparable case? How many picks was MIL going to give them?

You mean how many were the heat offering when dame was trying to get there when he was in Portland? Because that was when the heat were unwilling to trade herro for dame.

That was then and this is now. I'm only proposing this deal because Lowe talked about Herro trades on his pod. If they are looking to move Herro we should be in the running. I'm not sure what the vastly better deal they're going to get than Kuminga, Hield and a future first. Like a lightly protected 2030 pick. If they can get more for him, so be it. But from our side, I'd be in on those offers.

[EvanZ]

Count me out of the Tyler Herro sweepstakes.

Out of curiosity, what do you think we will get for Kuminga if he signs one of these "trade deals"? What are you holding out for?