Official 2025 Offseason Thread 2.0

[Rainwater]

Doing arthroscopic surgery on a knee at such young age ain't joke.

Kobe, Eric Gordon; Westbrook returned and played well after, but Lonzo, Blake never returned in pre-surgery level of play.

Embiid & Paul George both had similar surgeries in 2025 as well, non of them is ready to return. Lot of people inside 76ers speculate Embiid is done.

A knee scope honesty is not that bad and pretty common. You are just cleaning up loose debris and can play within 6 weeks. The problem is that Suggs also had a mosaicplasty. That is a rare surgery.

I am no pro athlete and no two surgeries are the same, but I had the MACI procedure done which is kinda similar and my knees still don’t feel the same and it has been 2 years. So, I kinda understand where he is coming from and applaud him and Lonzo.

[pepe1991]

Doing arthroscopic surgery on a knee at such young age ain't joke.

Kobe, Eric Gordon; Westbrook returned and played well after, but Lonzo, Blake never returned in pre-surgery level of play.

Embiid & Paul George both had similar surgeries in 2025 as well, non of them is ready to return. Lot of people inside 76ers speculate Embiid is done.

A knee scope honesty is not that bad and pretty common. You are just cleaning up loose debris and can play within 6 weeks. The problem is that Suggs also had a mosaicplasty. That is a rare surgery.

I remember reading about mosaicplasty, after it was announced and remember word "innovative" and to me that was red flag.

[Optimus_Steel]

Media day on Monday it sounds like

[rcklsscognition]

Suggs had a different surgery than Embid, George, and the rest of those guys. Mosaicplasty is rare but more common in soccer. A MACI typically would be used to treat the same problem Suggs had but it may be used on a larger injury site. While they deal with the same problem in a different way they are very similar but Suggs’ recovery time would be ~3 months faster than an MACI recovery because the implants he got provide immediate structural support to the area because they include bone where an MACI is cartilage and that takes time to build up strength after surgery.

I’d say it sort of falls between a scope and a typical knee surgery you see in sports, which would put him at 4-8 months recovery. But Suggs also had a scope which started the whole thing I believe.

If the surgery was to specifically deal with pain in the area by smoothing out his cartilage the hope is obviously that the pain is gone and they’re working on strengthening the area and working on movement patterns that limit the specific wear and tear on that part of the ligament. That is what is sounds like they’re doing, and if that goes well he should be pain free and retain almost all original function. It wasn’t like he tore it there was just some damage and buildup on it that needed help repairing itself.

I’m hopeful he is back by mid November, I feel like he’s closer than it seemed in that interview, cautious but hopeful.

[Rainwater]

Suggs had a different surgery than Embid, George, and the rest of those guys. Mosaicplasty is rare but more common in soccer. A MACI typically would be used to treat the same problem Suggs had but it may be used on a larger injury site. While they deal with the same problem in a different way they are very similar but Suggs’ recovery time would be ~3 months faster than an MACI recovery because the implants he got provide immediate structural support to the area because they include bone where an MACI is cartilage and that takes time to build up strength after surgery.

I’d say it sort of falls between a scope and a typical knee surgery you see in sports, which would put him at 4-8 months recovery. But Suggs also had a scope which started the whole thing I believe.

If the surgery was to specifically deal with pain in the area by smoothing out his cartilage the hope is obviously that the pain is gone and they’re working on strengthening the area and working on movement patterns that limit the specific wear and tear on that part of the ligament. That is what is sounds like they’re doing, and if that goes well he should be pain free and retain almost all original function. It wasn’t like he tore it there was just some damage and buildup on it that needed help repairing itself.

I’m hopeful he is back by mid November, I feel like he’s closer than it seemed in that interview, cautious but hopeful.

I feel like we have a doctor in house because this is an absolutely good post. Yeah, I completely agree the Mosaicplasty was likely done rather than the MACI because the recovery time is a lot quicker. And a Mosaicplasty and an MACI produce are similar but different.

Unless you are saying it was his first surgery, I don’t think the scope is what started his issues because it is more cleaning than anything else. They may have conducted the Mosaicplasty during the Scope but I don’t think the scope is the source of the pain or what started it. For example when I had the MACIs I first had the scope to clean out the knee due to pain I was having and to pull the cartilage samples to fill the defects for my later surgeries.

I am not saying Suggs’ surgery went poorly. Nor or am I saying there is something structurally wrong with his knee. I think similar to my case and based on what Suggs said the recovery and getting back normal is just hard. Running and jumping stills feels weird especially after the knee is set in one position for weeks. Movements you used to make also feels weird. Bending my knees still feels strange. I believe doctors say the recovery time for a Mosaicplasty is 6 months but I think it will take longer for Suggs to feel normal if that makes sense.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I’ve watched some of Jalen’s old interviews and documentaries. It seems like he has been hurt a lot and didn’t really deal with some of his injuries. I’m glad he is able to deal with it now and I hope they got everything and healed other injuries.

[Orlando Dawg]

Might as well not play Jalen or MoW until after the all-star break

[Audi]

Suggs performing at like, 70% isn’t even that detrimental. What makes him valuable is his unbridled defensive tenacity - not first step, athleticism, bounce, etc. Granted, having the capable body to manifest that tenacity is necessary, but he’s also going to be moving down the demand ladder significantly next season. I can’t see asking much more from him but spacing and defense.

[RookieStar]

We saw or know Suggs was always playing injured. Was last season finally the 1st time he addressed all his injury problems?

[eyriq]

Year three AB should be significantly better than Tyus. Something to watch for. I maintain that he's on the same development curve as Suggs which means we can expect a similar breakout in shooting and defense to what we saw from Suggs two seasons ago.

[RookieStar]

Year three AB should be significantly better than Tyus. Something to watch for. I maintain that he's on the same development curve as Suggs which means we can expect a similar breakout in shooting and defense to what we saw from Suggs two seasons ago.

Can AB dribble through traffic like Jones can?

[cedric76]

Another bane interview

https://youtu.be/OIHQSHSJ51Y?si=dUyAWGdXRfgRB25n

We are gonna kick butts

[eyriq]

Year three AB should be significantly better than Tyus. Something to watch for. I maintain that he's on the same development curve as Suggs which means we can expect a similar breakout in shooting and defense to what we saw from Suggs two seasons ago.

Can AB dribble through traffic like Jones can?

Effortlessly, probably better tbh

[RookieStar]

Year three AB should be significantly better than Tyus. Something to watch for. I maintain that he's on the same development curve as Suggs which means we can expect a similar breakout in shooting and defense to what we saw from Suggs two seasons ago.

Can AB dribble through traffic like Jones can?

Effortlessly, probably better tbh

Cmon eyriq.. we both saw AB immediately pick up his dribble a lot.

[dsg2021]

Let's say Suggs won't be available or will have limited availability the first month or two.

Do you...

A. Start Anthony Black at PG, keep Tyus Jones at backup PG and elevate Jett Howard to backup SG
B. Start Anthony Black at PG, keep Tyus Jones at backup PG and elevate Jase Richardson to backup SG
C. Start Tyus Jones at PG, move Anthony Black from backup SG to backup PG and elevate Jett Howard to backup SG
D. Start Tyus Jones at PG, move Anthony Black from backup SG to backup PG and elevate Jase Richardson to backup SG
E. Start Tyus Jones at PG, keep Anthony Black at backup SG and elevate Jase Richardson to backup PG
F. Start Jase Richardson at PG, keep Tyus Jones at backup PG and Anthony Black at backup SG

Firstly, and more importantly, I would go for Option D. And I was the only one who bravely threw it out there this summer in here even when Suggs was healthy. On a 1-season basis, I wanted to heavily explore Tyus Jones with a small, permanent Starter role that would shrink more into the Playoffs, and Suggs with the permanent higher MPG than Tyus Jones all season long. Suggs is like a top 3-4 player for us, but at the same time, our Roster does NOT reset and reboot its Shooting mentality/confidence without TWO-to-THREE heavier rotation, TRUE 40% type shooters this year.

Tyus Jones starting for 18-26 MPG and Jase Richardson permanently in the rotation at backup 2/3/1 for 16-24 MPG accomplishes this with the one and only Desmond Bane at 28-32 MPG.

If Suggs or AB make us go like “Yeah, you’re Starting or Playing 32 MPG in the Playoffs”, which they hella will and maybe Tyus’ starting role shrinks or disappears, let it be closer to the mid and end of the season when it’s more obvious in many ways.

But first I want my season to start with Franz and Paolo and JI and WCJ to be like “Whoah, are we actually a top 10 shooting team now with Tyus, Jase, and Bane out there?” “Are my potential assists capitalizing into real ones this much more often really?” “Am I really 2 feet more open and 40% more confident in my own shooting as Franz and Paolo?”

Small aside: We can still be an Under-Luxury Tax team for one last non-repeater season by dumping Jett and Goga by Trade Deadline into like the “20 PPG in Playoffs, sharpshooter” GTJ and a cheaper Center. Basically, one more sniper for the team.

Secondly, this is the biggest blessing in disguise injury if it’s less than like 3-4 months.
We deserve to see some looks at AB who at like 37% 3P% would be a Starter conversation literally.
We deserve some looks at Jase or Jett in the Rotation. Especially Jase who seems somewhat NBA elite from the Bench if the College and Summer ports over.
TDS should be in the rotation for sure now too. He was near 50/40/90 in a lot of Magic games last season, before being a 6th/7th man type for Germany’s Euro win just now.

Even Mo Wagner’s injury too if less than 3-4 months, so that WCJ feels extra freedom to play through mistakes and shoot much higher 3PA’s without efficiency pressure. Seems like Goga is even going to try it perhaps.

[Skybox]

Can AB dribble through traffic like Jones can?

Effortlessly, probably better tbh

Cmon eyriq.. we both saw AB immediately pick up his dribble a lot.

they are entirely different players...If you could put Tyus' head on AB's body, you'd have the perfect PG. At present, AB's game doesn't resemble Tyus' hyper-efficient, pass-first, traditional PG play at all. Maybe someday, but to compare them now is like comparing Chris Paul to Shawn Marion...just completely different categories of player - other than hopeful projections.

[eyriq]

Can AB dribble through traffic like Jones can?

Effortlessly, probably better tbh

Cmon eyriq.. we both saw AB immediately pick up his dribble a lot.

It won't be a problem, barely an inconvenience.

[BadMofoPimp]

What will happen is start Bane and Suggs with Black as backup SG and Tyus as backup PG. That was the plan all along.

[BadMofoPimp]

Effortlessly, probably better tbh

Cmon eyriq.. we both saw AB immediately pick up his dribble a lot.

It won't be a problem, barely an inconvenience.

Since day 1, Eyriq been on the AB gonna provem all wrong campaign!

Will see if that will be true or if he ends up a bench guy for the future. Should be the most fun season this team has had since Dwight days.

[Orlando Dawg]

It would be super if AB has a breakout year like Tmac in Toronto, however he might also never be much better than Markelle Fultz.
His current role on the Magic is “backup combo guard that can’t pass, shoot, or create but can play at least average or better defense.