redslastlaugh wrote:Dogen wrote:Dang, this Simmons/Lowe trade idea, White to Houston for FVV/Reed + picks has got me crunching.
For Boston, not sure how a backcourt of FVV/PP/RS works next year. Not just the match of having 3 small guards, but the money.
OTOH, Reed + Smith Jr. + picks is very interesting, and Houston might do it as White is an upgrade that puts them right back into contention this year.
I think Sheppard is going to be a real player. Better than Pritchard likely by this year if not already. And Smith is a stretch 4 with enough size to help inside on D, something currently lacking (OK, Boucher, but Smith has more upside).
Derrick is one of my all time faves, but we need to look at whats best for the future and who to bring in to build around the Jay's.
Reed might be really good, the Ringer was comping him to Mark Price pre-draft. But he's smaller than PP even, shot 35% last season, shot 35% again in the summer league and only got on the court for 10 total minutes last playoffs. Payton played 300+ mins last playoffs and played really well
The upside of Sheppard is better than Pritchard's present prime, but you'd be trading a sure thing for upside. The upside might not hit.
I was thinking Reed Sheppard reminds me of Darius Miles. Both were super wonky, very young prospects that went #3 in their draft class because of an extremely weak draft talent pool. It's just like a big swing on a big dream that just might never pay off, imo
Not sure about the Miles comparison. Very different players. Granted, they were both #3 picks in relatively weak drafts. Sheppard hasn't done much to warrant a #3 pick yet, but it's early, and if a redraft was done he'd still likely be top ... 7? 8? in that draft.
Reed is not smaller than PP. He's taller, but less developed physically. He's 21, not 26 like Pritchard. And we're not losing Pritchard in the deal (Whether the Celtics should have both on the roster is another matter).
It's our beloved White in the equation. A former 29th pick, 31 yo. Great player, but mainly as a complimentary piece to the Jays. He's gotten better and fits well into the system as a bonafide 2-way player, but recall that some on here were furious when Brad gave up a pick to get him.
Now the rank and file seem to want to tank the season in order to get to the promised land of MAYBE a top 3 pick or mid-lotto 2026 pick. Woe betide anyone who dares to suggest that White be traded for not one, but TWO recent #3 picks, at different, complimentary positions -- and still on rookie contracts -- PLUS another potential lotto pick from the Houston/Brooklyn swap, PLUS 1 or 2 more future (albeit lesser) firsts from the Rockets. That's actually a decent haul. As good as a 31 yo White is, he's at a peak to bring back assets now, and the Rockets are in greater need of vet help this year and might be tempted due to circumstances.
For the Celtics, sure there is risk, but this would be a move that Brad makes to flip assets if he likes Sheppard and Smith Jr. There is a lot to like there, and even though there is a lot of roster turnover for the Celtics, this is the year to do it.
Anyway, I understand you are not a hater on this idea, Red, but I'm responding to your post as you took the time to post some data in your response (like a legit concern about Reed's fg%), instead of just insta-hate (cheers Larry!).
And, yeah, this trade would mean Simons gets moved after Dec 15, so there is more risk and uncertainty, but there will be more of a buyer's market for him as the deadline approaches.
Overall, I doubt Houston would do the proposed trade that Simmons and Lowe came up with. Jabari Smith Jr. would look good on this team with his shot blocking, rebounding and shot. Taking any Simons trade out of the equation for the moment, and with the possibility of adding JT back later in the season, this looks like a pretty good team for a "gap" year.
1. Pritchard
2. Brown
3. Hauser
4. Smith Jr.
5. Queta
1. Sheppard
2. Scheierman
3. Walsh / Minott
4. Boucher
5. Garza
1. González
2. Tillman
