Kuminga to SAC, is there a middle ground?

[OGSactownballer]

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t serious enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t STUPID enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

Fify

The Kings weren’t “stupid” enough to offer 2030 Wolves pick for a guy they promised the starting PF spot to who they see as a high usage future all star if they allow “him to be him”.

Okay.

It’s clear the Kings value Kuminga enough to take a low cost flier on him and that’s it. I don’t disagree. Just can Kings fans kill the narrative that they are doing the Warriors a favor by offering these crap deals as some sort of needed “out”?

But that’s the funny thing here.

The entire take of the NBA fandom AND a number of your own fans that I know personally - who are not the die hards here - very much know that for whatever reason, GSW screwed themselves into a corner here with Kuminga by overestimating their “window” and not actually developing him properly on the “two timeline” plan.

IDK if it’s an owner thing (believe me I GET that in SAC) or a coach thing or simply a try to keep him cost contained thing while you pay your top three guys hundreds of millions.

Whatever it is, they did themselves in by destroying the kids value and thinking they were then going to get him to take a cheap deal that they have all the control and then get hard assed and muscle him.

Guess what? It didn’t work.

They instead backed themselves into a corner and a holding pattern that doesn’t really have ANY sort of good ending. The entire rest of the pundits around think they are lucky to even be offered ANYTHING of value at this point and are likely going to be stuck with a disgruntled player who plays selfish ball and does anything he can to torpedo them because he really can’t lose.

So good luck and I still maintain that a deal will happen before the end of this because the alternative ruins Steph’s last gasp year or two and that’s a damn shame.

Oh and give up any pipe dream talk about ‘26 picks. Nobody in the NBA GM group is giving up a potential lotto pick in an already fabulous looking draft for anything less than a Bona fide star.

Certainly not for “potential”. It would be their job.

[NW]

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t STUPID enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

Fify

The Kings weren’t “stupid” enough to offer 2030 Wolves pick for a guy they promised the starting PF spot to who they see as a high usage future all star if they allow “him to be him”.

Okay.

It’s clear the Kings value Kuminga enough to take a low cost flier on him and that’s it. I don’t disagree. Just can Kings fans kill the narrative that they are doing the Warriors a favor by offering these crap deals as some sort of needed “out”?

But that’s the funny thing here.

The entire tweet of the NBA fandom AND a number of your own fans that I know personally - who are not the die hards here - very much know that for whatever reason, GSW screwed themselves into a corner here with Kuminga by overestimating their “window” and not actually developing him properly on the “two timeline” plan.

IDK if it’s an owner thing (believe me I GET hat in SAC) or a coach thing or simply a try to keep him cost contained thing while you pay your top three guys hundreds of millions.

Whatever it is, they did themselves in by destroying the kids value and thinking they were then going to get him to take a cheap deal that they have all the control and then get hard asses and muscle him.

Guess what? It didn’t work.

They instead backed themselves into a corner and a holding pattern that doesn’t really have ANY sort of good ending. The entire rest of the pundits around think they are lucky to even be offered ANYTHING of value at this point and are likely going to be stuck with a disgruntled player who plays selfish ball and does anything he can to torpedo them because he really can’t lose.

So good luck and I still maintain that a deal will happen before the end of this because the alternative ruins Steph’s last gasp year or two and that’s a damn shame.

Oh and give up any pipe dream talk about ‘26 picks. Nobody in the NBA GM group is giving up a potential lotto pick in an already fabulous looking draft for anything less than a Bona fide star.

Certainly not for “potential”. It would be their job.

I think most fans agree the two pronged mistake was drafting Kuminga in the first place (not a fit for style of play but ego and hubris let them think “Warriors Culture” could mold him into a Warriors player. Same for Wiseman).

Kuminga sees himself as a top option high usage guy on offense and rejected the Shawn Marion/Aaron Gordon role Kerr wanted him to play. Don’t know about destroying value. There was no offer last summer and he was getting decent minutes until he got hurt (team was hovering around 11 seed) and his minutes went down when he returned with Butler in the fold and he not being 100%

No one “muscled” him.

Kuminga is generally a good kid, and if you think he’s going to torpedo anything, good luck with that. He’s got plenty to lose-especially when the two teams whispering sweet nothings into his ears, the SunKings, got no cap room.

Said before, there’s no illusions of a great return for JK. He’s salary filler to go after someone making in the 30-40 mil range with post Steph picks as the draw.

And who said anything about 26 picks? I always said, if the Kings want him so bad, offer an unprotected 27 pick. Kings should still be mid to low lotto and that draft is expected to be the polar opposite of the 26 draft

[jscott]

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t serious enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t STUPID enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

Fify

The Kings weren’t “stupid” enough to offer 2030 Wolves pick for a guy they promised the starting PF spot to who they see as a high usage future all star if they allow “him to be him”.

Okay.

It’s clear the Kings value Kuminga enough to take a low cost flier on him and that’s it. I don’t disagree. Just can Kings fans kill the narrative that they are doing the Warriors a favor by offering these crap deals as some sort of needed “out”?

What I think is hilarious is that you believe the Wolves will be worse than Sacremento and/or San Antonio in 2030. The team is coming off back-to-back WCF and most of their team is signed for another 4 years whereas the Kings are a joke and the Spurs best player has bloodclot issues and might not make it it 2030 for that reason or because of his body type. But keep doing you.

[NW]

It’s not the T-Wolves pick, it’s the Spurs. The Kings weren’t STUPID enough to offer the T-Wolves pick.

Fify

The Kings weren’t “stupid” enough to offer 2030 Wolves pick for a guy they promised the starting PF spot to who they see as a high usage future all star if they allow “him to be him”.

Okay.

It’s clear the Kings value Kuminga enough to take a low cost flier on him and that’s it. I don’t disagree. Just can Kings fans kill the narrative that they are doing the Warriors a favor by offering these crap deals as some sort of needed “out”?

What I think is hilarious is that you believe the Wolves will be worse than Sacremento and/or San Antonio in 2030. The team is coming off back-to-back WCF and most of their team is signed for another 4 years whereas the Kings are a joke and the Spurs best player has bloodclot issues and might not make it it 2030 for that reason or because of his body type. But keep doing you.

Umm, what are you talking about? The pick in question would be the lowest of Sac and SA. Maybe the lowest of Sac/Minny depending on the season. Where did you get Minnesota would be worse?

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[eminence]

Yeah, presumably GS is looking to win next season. Buddy/Moody/maybe something from Kuminga is worth a heck of a lot more than Monk.

[Texas Chuck]

Yeah, presumably GS is looking to win next season. Buddy/Moody/maybe something from Kuminga is worth a heck of a lot more than Monk.

Worth a bunch more? No. None of those players holds any meaningful value at all. Better for trying to win? Yeah, better to have Hield/Moody/Kuminga than just Monk I'd think. Though I doubt that make more than a win or 2 difference really either.

[LightTheBeam]

Yeah, presumably GS is looking to win next season. Buddy/Moody/maybe something from Kuminga is worth a heck of a lot more than Monk.

Worth a bunch more? No. None of those players holds any meaningful value at all. Better for trying to win? Yeah, better to have Hield/Moody/Kuminga than just Monk I'd think. Though I doubt that make more than a win or 2 difference really either.

From what I undersyand its
Moody or hield + kuminga or Monk. I think Monk would compliment that team better. And then i think they could take hield or moody (whoever they keep) and use the Kings 1st to get another decent front court player. Oh and Beasley has been cleared right? Id think hes an easy upgrade over someone like hield.

Horford/Post/Trayce
Green/Santos
Jimmy/traded player/Payton
Podz/Beasley/Seth curry
Curry/Monk

Feels like an upgraded roster to me, even if I understand warriors fans have dug into their stance.

As for me, I hope the Kings dont go forward giving any 1st for kuminga. I do like him and am curious how he looks outside GS, but this kings roster is constructed terribly. Kuminga isnt changing anything.

[NW]

Yeah, presumably GS is looking to win next season. Buddy/Moody/maybe something from Kuminga is worth a heck of a lot more than Monk.

Worth a bunch more? No. None of those players holds any meaningful value at all. Better for trying to win? Yeah, better to have Hield/Moody/Kuminga than just Monk I'd think. Though I doubt that make more than a win or 2 difference really either.

From what I undersyand its
Moody or hield + kuminga or Monk. I think Monk would compliment that team better. And then i think they could take hield or moody (whoever they keep) and use the Kings 1st to get another decent front court player. Oh and Beasley has been cleared right? Id think hes an easy upgrade over someone like hield.

Horford/Post/Trayce
Green/Santos
Jimmy/traded player/Payton
Podz/Beasley/Seth curry
Curry/Monk

Feels like an upgraded roster to me, even if I understand warriors fans have dug into their stance.

As for me, I hope the Kings dont go forward giving any 1st for kuminga. I do like him and am curious how he looks outside GS, but this kings roster is constructed terribly. Kuminga isnt changing anything.

Monk’s not a Warriors player. Reporters have teased the staff believes that as well. Monk on GS is closer to Schroder on GS last year (another guy the staff felt wasn’t a Warriors player but took a low risk on him) than Poole on GS as some have said.

Until the pick conditions are changed, it’s not worth much. Lotto protected for a team that always drafts in the lottery isn’t getting you a decent player frontcourt or otherwise. Kuminga’s salary with a post Steph first gets much more

[LightTheBeam]

Worth a bunch more? No. None of those players holds any meaningful value at all. Better for trying to win? Yeah, better to have Hield/Moody/Kuminga than just Monk I'd think. Though I doubt that make more than a win or 2 difference really either.

From what I undersyand its
Moody or hield + kuminga or Monk. I think Monk would compliment that team better. And then i think they could take hield or moody (whoever they keep) and use the Kings 1st to get another decent front court player. Oh and Beasley has been cleared right? Id think hes an easy upgrade over someone like hield.

Horford/Post/Trayce
Green/Santos
Jimmy/traded player/Payton
Podz/Beasley/Seth curry
Curry/Monk

Feels like an upgraded roster to me, even if I understand warriors fans have dug into their stance.

As for me, I hope the Kings dont go forward giving any 1st for kuminga. I do like him and am curious how he looks outside GS, but this kings roster is constructed terribly. Kuminga isnt changing anything.

Monk’s not a Warriors player. Reporters have teased the staff believes that as well. Monk on GS is closer to Schroder on GS last year (another guy the staff felt wasn’t a Warriors player but took a low risk on him) than Poole on GS as some have said.

Until the pick conditions are changed, it’s not worth much. Lotto protected for a team that always drafts in the lottery isn’t getting you a decent player frontcourt or otherwise. Kuminga’s salary with a post Steph first gets much more

Looks like outcome for kuminga is qo (ntc) or 2 + 1 player option on a bloated contract (negative value). I respectfully disagree. We are already seeing teams unwilling to take that 3rd year as the warriors are with monk. Under this new apron not many want to be stuck paying kuminga a big contract he hasnt earned the next 3 years. My prediction is much closer to a neutral package than a positive one. Maybe you can add buddy and get a Jerami grant type at the deadline though?

[Michaellam1987]

Is it feasible to re-route Monk to HOU, with Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

[DB23]

Yeah, presumably GS is looking to win next season. Buddy/Moody/maybe something from Kuminga is worth a heck of a lot more than Monk.

Worth a bunch more? No. None of those players holds any meaningful value at all. Better for trying to win? Yeah, better to have Hield/Moody/Kuminga than just Monk I'd think. Though I doubt that make more than a win or 2 difference really either.

From what I undersyand its
Moody or hield + kuminga or Monk. I think Monk would compliment that team better. And then i think they could take hield or moody (whoever they keep) and use the Kings 1st to get another decent front court player. Oh and Beasley has been cleared right? Id think hes an easy upgrade over someone like hield.

Horford/Post/Trayce
Green/Santos
Jimmy/traded player/Payton
Podz/Beasley/Seth curry
Curry/Monk

Feels like an upgraded roster to me, even if I understand warriors fans have dug into their stance.

As for me, I hope the Kings dont go forward giving any 1st for kuminga. I do like him and am curious how he looks outside GS, but this kings roster is constructed terribly. Kuminga isnt changing anything.

We like buddy. He played well in the playoffs and is a chemistry plus with the old guys. He’s better than Beasley for us.

Without losing buddy or moody it would be fair value imo. But you need to understand we need the shooting and have no interest in monk at what he’s being paid. He’s negative value to us.

We have max a two year window so seems better to just let kuminga sign the qo then accept a negative trade.

[sackings916]

Is it feasible to re-route Monk to HOU, with Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

If that were realistic, Sheppard and Eason would be on the Kings already.

[Sactowndog]

Is it feasible to re-route Monk to HOU, with Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

If this were possible the Kings would have done it already and we would not be talking at all.

The Warriors are either getting nothing for Kuminga if he signs the QO or they get a little something for him by getting Monk as an asset and a protected first.

[DB23]

Is it feasible to re-route Monk to HOU, with Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

If this were possible the Kings would have done it already and we would not be talking at all.

The Warriors are either getting nothing for Kuminga if he signs the QO or they get a little something for him by getting Monk as an asset and a protected first.

I get you don’t want to hear it. But that’s really likely negative value for us.

[NW]

From what I undersyand its
Moody or hield + kuminga or Monk. I think Monk would compliment that team better. And then i think they could take hield or moody (whoever they keep) and use the Kings 1st to get another decent front court player. Oh and Beasley has been cleared right? Id think hes an easy upgrade over someone like hield.

Horford/Post/Trayce
Green/Santos
Jimmy/traded player/Payton
Podz/Beasley/Seth curry
Curry/Monk

Feels like an upgraded roster to me, even if I understand warriors fans have dug into their stance.

As for me, I hope the Kings dont go forward giving any 1st for kuminga. I do like him and am curious how he looks outside GS, but this kings roster is constructed terribly. Kuminga isnt changing anything.

Monk’s not a Warriors player. Reporters have teased the staff believes that as well. Monk on GS is closer to Schroder on GS last year (another guy the staff felt wasn’t a Warriors player but took a low risk on him) than Poole on GS as some have said.

Until the pick conditions are changed, it’s not worth much. Lotto protected for a team that always drafts in the lottery isn’t getting you a decent player frontcourt or otherwise. Kuminga’s salary with a post Steph first gets much more

Looks like outcome for kuminga is qo (ntc) or 2 + 1 player option on a bloated contract (negative value). I respectfully disagree. We are already seeing teams unwilling to take that 3rd year as the warriors are with monk. Under this new apron not many want to be stuck paying kuminga a big contract he hasnt earned the next 3 years. My prediction is much closer to a neutral package than a positive one. Maybe you can add buddy and get a Jerami grant type at the deadline though?

Kuminga's agent just went on a press tour about how they don't want to take the QO. Why fans think it's so likely and pundits in the league don't. At this point, I imagine GS holds firm and we see if Turner and Kuminga value control so much that they'll leave $45 mil on the table, or the option issue gets solved with a 2 year deal and no options.

As you said yourself, teams won't take Monk on a third year making less and arguably a better player. That and a likely low first rounder is arguably negative value. Agree to disagree I guess.

[Golabki]

Is it feasible to re-route Monk to HOU, with Sheppard + Eason to GSW?

If this were possible the Kings would have done it already and we would not be talking at all.

The Warriors are either getting nothing for Kuminga if he signs the QO or they get a little something for him by getting Monk as an asset and a protected first.

I get you don’t want to hear it. But that’s really likely negative value for us.

I think there's some logic in Monk to Hou. But the logic would be he's a stop gap guy they could get without giving up anything major. Reed and Eason is way too much.

Hou gets Monk
Rebalance their roster by getting a decent guard for a decent forward, without giving up any core pieces.

Sac gets Kuminga
Get's Kuminga on the deal they've been rumored to be offering.

GSW gets DFS + Capella (filler) + protected 1st from Sac
DFS is a great fit as the 3&D forward they really need. They don't really have a need for Capella, but I think Capella can still play, so I wonder if Sac would want him as a backup center or if they could loop in a center needy 4th team like Cha, NOP or LAL and grab an extra 2nd.

[NW]

If this were possible the Kings would have done it already and we would not be talking at all.

The Warriors are either getting nothing for Kuminga if he signs the QO or they get a little something for him by getting Monk as an asset and a protected first.

I get you don’t want to hear it. But that’s really likely negative value for us.

I think there's some logic in Monk to Hou. But the logic would be he's a stop gap guy they could get without giving up anything major. Reed and Eason is way too much.

Hou gets Monk
Rebalance their roster by getting a decent guard for a decent forward, without giving up any core pieces.

Sac gets Kuminga
Get's Kuminga on the deal they've been rumored to be offering.

GSW gets DFS + Capella (filler) + protected 1st from Sac
DFS is a great fit as the 3&D forward they really need. They don't really have a need for Capella, but I think Capella can still play, so I wonder if Sac would want him as a backup center or if they could loop in a center needy 4th team like Cha, NOP or LAL and grab an extra 2nd.

Agreed Monk to Houston makes sense but most of their team can't be traded until December. Decent chance DFS starts for them. Not sure they'd deal him

[Golabki]

I get you don’t want to hear it. But that’s really likely negative value for us.

I think there's some logic in Monk to Hou. But the logic would be he's a stop gap guy they could get without giving up anything major. Reed and Eason is way too much.

Hou gets Monk
Rebalance their roster by getting a decent guard for a decent forward, without giving up any core pieces.

Sac gets Kuminga
Get's Kuminga on the deal they've been rumored to be offering.

GSW gets DFS + Capella (filler) + protected 1st from Sac
DFS is a great fit as the 3&D forward they really need. They don't really have a need for Capella, but I think Capella can still play, so I wonder if Sac would want him as a backup center or if they could loop in a center needy 4th team like Cha, NOP or LAL and grab an extra 2nd.

Agreed Monk to Houston makes sense but most of their team can't be traded until December. Decent chance DFS starts for them. Not sure they'd deal him

I think DFS is more like an 8th man than a starter for Houston. Obviously, it's a trade off for Houston, but I think it makes sense. Even with FVV, I think you could have made a case Houston needs Monk more than DFS (depending on your level of confidence in Reed).

[DB23]

If this were possible the Kings would have done it already and we would not be talking at all.

The Warriors are either getting nothing for Kuminga if he signs the QO or they get a little something for him by getting Monk as an asset and a protected first.

I get you don’t want to hear it. But that’s really likely negative value for us.

I think there's some logic in Monk to Hou. But the logic would be he's a stop gap guy they could get without giving up anything major. Reed and Eason is way too much.

Hou gets Monk
Rebalance their roster by getting a decent guard for a decent forward, without giving up any core pieces.

Sac gets Kuminga
Get's Kuminga on the deal they've been rumored to be offering.

GSW gets DFS + Capella (filler) + protected 1st from Sac
DFS is a great fit as the 3&D forward they really need. They don't really have a need for Capella, but I think Capella can still play, so I wonder if Sac would want him as a backup center or if they could loop in a center needy 4th team like Cha, NOP or LAL and grab an extra 2nd.

As a dubs fan - I’d do that deal if the salaries work for sure.

Because it fits a need and helps us win.

After watching kuminga for several years I think anyone trading for him is making a mistake but luckily he still seems to have upside potential to a few.