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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#221 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 25, 2025 1:39 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Looks like the offseason is basically over.....

Anyone want to grade the off season? What do you think? How did the FO do?

Were they great? Good? Meh?...

Myself, I thought Will & his crew did a great job, though I do have questions about one move.

1. I thought our draft was outstanding. You can never predict how guys will work out, but Tre certainly seemed like a great pick at 6 -- even though he wasn't the guy I'd had in mind (as if that mattered! :)). Riley is obviously a work in progress, but I definitely like him where we picked. & Jamir Watkins looks to me like a waaay better prospect than you'd expect to get at 43.

2. The sequence of moves that, essentially, turned Poole into CJ McCollum & Cam Whitmore was a thing of beauty to watch! My only regret was giving up Colby Jones, who looks like a solid, long-term NBA role player. He's with Detroit now, & I plan to keep an eye on him.

3. We have 8 players who weren't with us laat year: McCollum, Johnson, Whitmore, Riley, Watkins, Branham, Jones, & Cooper.

4. Really, the off season is not over yet -- we have one too many players, meaning that we might have to cut someone -- & have to pay him all the same. The most likely to be cut would be one of Dillon Jones or Malakhi Branham.

5. Alternatively, perhaps there'll still be another trade -- maybe a 2 for 1 deal of some kind.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#222 » by doclinkin » Fri Sep 26, 2025 2:39 pm

A week old but I missed it at the time. The Athletic Wiz beat reporter Josh Robbins talks about the offseason.

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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#223 » by doclinkin » Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:40 pm

On Robbins takes:

I do think Bilal doesn't break out until his next contract. Gives hope that we lock him in cheap-ish and then benefit from a late surge.
I'm not really fussing if he has a roller coaster year again. I too am not worried about his Euro play since a) he was injured and b) they used him wrong. I'm still betting on his upside once he is under the radar.

I would agree with Robbins that Sarr's development this year is key, and I like the signs I saw at Eurobasket. Getting more comfort down low, his continued growth on defense. I actually think he may have passed Bilal as our best defensive player.

I like his excitement on Kyshawn, that he may have the highest ceiling of the guys drafted last year. I don't think so due to Sarr's unmatched athleticism at that size. But his toolsy-ness does suggest he earns the most PT or is featured in the most line-ups this year.

Cam Whitmore. Various scouts and pundits talk about his defensive ability and potential, usually with a 'but' attached having to do with consistent effort and focus. This to me is his stealth swing talent. If he fully committed to defense first, and developed better habits, I think he can be a game changer. I just think he's be trying to earn notice for his offense, gunning to be recognized, if not by coaching staff then by fans and peers and public opinion. Coach BK does seem to be able to reach and teach young players to improve their effort, even if it hasn't translated into the best offense in the league. Certainly a player like Kyshawn George was not known for his consistent energy on defense and that proved a revelation this year. I think surrounding Cam with bulldog defenders like Key, Champagnie, maybe Watkins, Bilal when healthy, will provide an example and competition. A winnable competition, he wasn't going to out-effort or out-athlete Amen Thompson. Here he is the most athletic guy on the team, I'd say even edging Bilal in terms of the combination of strength and quicks.

On CJ and Middleton. I hope both lean into the mentorship role while they are on this team, that the energy and attitude of this young core inspires these two to take ownership in helping them develop. I know MIddleton is quiet to the point of seeming sullen. But his game is exactly what I'd like to see our players develop. If you look at his shot charts he is efficient from every level. You can plug him into any roster as a perfect 2nd or 3rd scorer, he doesn't demand touches just finishes plays when he has the ball. Given that most of our players don't figure to be 1A scorers, you'd love to see them learn how to fill in the spaces to be players who make you pay when they're overlooked. In a ball movement offense that should be everybody. Particularly I'd bet high BBIQ players like George, Champagnie, even Watkins, could benefit from studying his game. Bub and Riley too, though I think they have the playmaking and set up talents to grow into primary initiators. I wouldn't expect Cam to mimic Middleton since I think his game is louder. That is I don't think he has the inclination to lay back and sink a stealth dagger in his opponents, I get the sense if he is not involved he tends to lose focus at both ends..

As for CJ he's got so many tricks in his bag that could translate for players like Tre, Bub, even Riley. Crafty with the ball, capable off the ball. Outside shooter but even at 6'3" but he can get his shot loose on bigger players, added a mid-range/floater game for when his penetration is stopped. Bub already has that middie game on lock, needs some kind of offense in the 3'-10' range. Tre has shown it too. Riley has the handle but not the quick steps to blow by opponents unless he can use those long strides to get separation. He meeds misdirection in his game to throw opponents off balance. CJ is not the quickest player, he's more shifty than speedy. Those are the exact traits a player like Bub and Riley need. Tre already is halfway there. But all three could benefit from figuring out how to get to the middle and score against bigger faster defenders.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#224 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 26, 2025 3:51 pm

Couldn't ask for a more positive review of where we are at right now!

Something for the neg-heads to mull over!
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#225 » by dckingsfan » Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:11 pm

payitforward wrote:
9 and 20 wrote:Looks like the offseason is basically over.....

Anyone want to grade the off season? What do you think? How did the FO do?

Were they great? Good? Meh?...

Myself, I thought Will & his crew did a great job, though I do have questions about one move.

1. I thought our draft was outstanding. You can never predict how guys will work out, but Tre certainly seemed like a great pick at 6 -- even though he wasn't the guy I'd had in mind (as if that mattered! :)). Riley is obviously a work in progress, but I definitely like him where we picked. & Jamir Watkins looks to me like a waaay better prospect than you'd expect to get at 43.

2. The sequence of moves that, essentially, turned Poole into CJ McCollum & Cam Whitmore was a thing of beauty to watch! My only regret was giving up Colby Jones, who looks like a solid, long-term NBA role player. He's with Detroit now, & I plan to keep an eye on him.

3. We have 8 players who weren't with us laat year: McCollum, Johnson, Whitmore, Riley, Watkins, Branham, Jones, & Cooper.

4. Really, the off season is not over yet -- we have one too many players, meaning that we might have to cut someone -- & have to pay him all the same. The most likely to be cut would be one of Dillon Jones or Malakhi Branham.

5. Alternatively, perhaps there'll still be another trade -- maybe a 2 for 1 deal of some kind.

I think you would have to measure the FO this off-season against other teams or at least in the east. But that is time consuming and probably not as much of a happy feel (Atlanta and Orlando made some really good moves). So maybe compare them to to the other current east bottom feeders that have a similar situation, since that more likely fits the timeline.

Chicago Bulls - I think that the FO outperformed Chicago. Josh Giddey and Tre Jones and acquired Isaac Okoro. Seems like they are headed in "stuck in the mud" territory. They will need to get lucky in the draft next season and get lucky to get Portland's pick as well. Noa Essengue was a good value at 12 (IMO). Their cap situation is solid, so they could grab a FA or two next season (given that it is Chicago).

Brooklyn Nets - I think the FO way outperformed Brooklyn. To me their five draft picks were puzzling at best (with the overlap) and Michael Porter Jr. and Terance Mann - really? Their cap situation is fine. But they are going to need some major luck going forward.

Philadelphia 76ers - Maybe they shouldn't be on here but... Given where they are at, I would say that our FO outperformed theirs. I liked their draft picks of Edgecombe and Broome. Likely they will be too good to keep their pick for next season. They have a cap problem and aging problem with Ebiid and George. The McCain injury is definitely a bummer for them. This was their chance to roll out Maxey, Edgecombe and McCain at the start of the season.

Toronto Raptors - I think that the FO outperformed Toronto's. But Toronto was in a run-it-back mode (if you will) and just resigned Poeltl if you like the notion of Collin Murray-Boyles then they did fine. But I don't see the potential jump. And they are cap limited without a #1 option.

Charlotte Hornets - I think our FO outperformed Charlotte's but they might have made some progress. Kon Knueppel and Liam McNeeley will (they hope) provide shooting alongside a healthy LaMelo Ball and Miles Bridges (huge ifs). Kalkbrenner will backup Plumlee at C (one of the biggest changes other than the draft). They aren't terribly cap constrained and they have two FRPs next year.

I think what you see is that all of these teams need "that pick" in '26 to take a major jump. What I see is that we are focusing on developing youngster for the jump and others (sans Brooklyn) on developing their core (going from good to very good).
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#226 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:42 pm

I guess i might look at it slightly differently:

1. Were there opportunities that we missed?
I can't think of any that would have made sense. Can you?

2. How'd our draft go?
To me it went quite well. I did want Maluach, but over time I came to feel that it would have been wrong to pass on a prospect like Tre. At the same time, it's impossible to conclude anything about how these 3 rookie prospects will turn out. Yet, as picks, they stood out for their potential at the spots where they were taken.

3. Cam?
No one knows whether this kid will turn out well or not. How could anyone know? But he was a great addition at low cost!

4. Trading Jordan Poole?
The fact that he rehabilitated himself enough that his contract could be traded is to his credit. Not having waited to see whether things got even better but, instead, having traded him... that gets an A+ from me -- no question about it.

Thus, I give the off season an "A" grade. If we'd somehow picked up a young Center, it would be an A+.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#227 » by dobrojim » Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:50 pm

9 and 20 wrote:Looks like the offseason is basically over.

Best move - Cam Whitmore trade.
Honorable mention - Hornets picking Kon Kneuppel so we could get either Ace Bailey or Tre Johnson. Maybe also dumping Poole.

Worst move - Dillon Jones trade. Dude showed nothing.
HM - Malachi Branham/Olynyk trade.

Head scratching/WTF - Gill back again.


Best move could alternatively be drafting Tre.

Too early to answer that question. Could be Will Riley.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#228 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:02 am

9 and 20 wrote:...Worst move - Dillon Jones trade.

We gave a future R2 pick for a guy who was a R1 pick a year ago. No, that's not a bad move.

edit -- let me make this a little clearer.

We sent Colby Jones PLUS the above-mentioned R2 pick. But... OKC waived Colby immediately! This tells me that we didn't want Colby & thought it was worth a future R2 pick to kick the tires on Dillon, who went in R1 a year ago.

I find it hard to argue with that assessment -- even though I actually *like* Colby Jones: I thought he played well for us after we picked him up at last year's trade deadline.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#229 » by AFM » Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:08 am

worst move: not trading for Deni Avdija

I face mecca 5 times a day and utter "Deni Avdija...Deni Avdija...Deni Avdija" like I'm summoning Candyman.
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Re: 2025 Offseason 

Post#230 » by dckingsfan » Sat Sep 27, 2025 4:15 pm

AFM wrote:worst move: not trading for Deni Avdija

I face mecca 5 times a day and utter "Deni Avdija...Deni Avdija...Deni Avdija" like I'm summoning Candyman.

He is too expensive now. It was good that they didn't trade for him.

I suggest a new mecca mantra - Darryn Peterson #luckforthewiz, Darryn Peterson #luckforthewiz, Darryn Peterson #luckforthewiz :D

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