Hauser/Pritchard 4 Eason/ Sheppard

[tcheco]

Not close for Houston

[bkohler]

I’ve got the assets ranked Eason, Shepard, Pritchard, Hauser. With a significant gap between Shepards value and Pritchard.


I’m not sure the Pritchard/Hauser deal has positive value. I think it’s close to neutral, maybe a few seconds?

[hugepatsfan]

I’ve got the assets ranked Eason, Shepard, Pritchard, Hauser. With a significant gap between Shepards value and Pritchard.


I’m not sure the Pritchard/Hauser deal has positive value. I think it’s close to neutral, maybe a few seconds?

Shepard valuations are tough because he has draft pedigree but he's done nothing and a team also might just not have liked him as a prospect all that much. Very team-to-team valuations there. So someone might see it exactly how you do, some might have him on top of the list, and some could have him last.

I think you're very low on Pritchard, who is a better player than Eason, tbh, and he's signed cheaply for 3 years competed to Eason signed cheaply for one and then probably getting $20M/year. The truth is, as much as people will tout him as "3&D" he's actually below league average from 3 on low volume. That being said, the archetype is overall attractive. I would say Pritchard and Eason are pretty close in value. Eason gets point for archetype scarcity, Pritchard gets points for longer term affordability. I lean towards Eason having more value now, but assuming he extends and eventually becomes trade eligible on that dela I expect Pritchard will have more value because of the mechanics of trading for their salaries.

If your payroll structure allows it for the next 4 years, Hauser on a below MLE deal is really good value. But not a lot of payrolls are built to not be pushed into a tier they don't want to go to with another $10-12M added each of the next 4 years, so that's another team by team case.

[jbk1234]

I’ve got the assets ranked Eason, Shepard, Pritchard, Hauser. With a significant gap between Shepards value and Pritchard.


I’m not sure the Pritchard/Hauser deal has positive value. I think it’s close to neutral, maybe a few seconds?

Sheppard and Pritchard are closer than that, especially for playoff teams, but the delta between Eason and Hauser is too large to fix.

[GutUNC]

I’ve got the assets ranked Eason, Shepard, Pritchard, Hauser. With a significant gap between Shepards value and Pritchard.


I’m not sure the Pritchard/Hauser deal has positive value. I think it’s close to neutral, maybe a few seconds?

Shepard valuations are tough because he has draft pedigree but he's done nothing and a team also might just not have liked him as a prospect all that much. Very team-to-team valuations there. So someone might see it exactly how you do, some might have him on top of the list, and some could have him last.

I think you're very low on Pritchard, who is a better player than Eason, tbh, and he's signed cheaply for 3 years competed to Eason signed cheaply for one and then probably getting $20M/year. The truth is, as much as people will tout him as "3&D" he's actually below league average from 3 on low volume. That being said, the archetype is overall attractive. I would say Pritchard and Eason are pretty close in value. Eason gets point for archetype scarcity, Pritchard gets points for longer term affordability. I lean towards Eason having more value now, but assuming he extends and eventually becomes trade eligible on that dela I expect Pritchard will have more value because of the mechanics of trading for their salaries.

If your payroll structure allows it for the next 4 years, Hauser on a below MLE deal is really good value. But not a lot of payrolls are built to not be pushed into a tier they don't want to go to with another $10-12M added each of the next 4 years, so that's another team by team case.

You can't say a player isn't very good and then say that he's about to erroneously get a huge FA deal to lower his current value.

[MadNESS]

Pritchard should be their target though…

[redslastlaugh]

Pritchard is crazy value, earning $8mil this year and then for TWO YEARS after this yr as well. With Tatum and Brown on supermaxes, the financial value is very hard to underestimate. There just aren't comparable players (who are proven players) that can match the value... esp with the aprons, and the taxes and Celts having new owners... Payton is extremely hard to trade.

Houston fans have Reed Sheppard as worth more than PP but this is not how Celtics see it with Tatum/Brown in a contention window over the next 3 yrs. Boston would not consider trading Pritchard straight up for Reed. He was the only player in Houston's top 12 with a net negative (-4 per 100) plus/minus on the year. By contrast, Pritchard was +14 per 100 in 300 minutes over 11 playoff games. Reed Sheppard wasn't sniffing playoff rotation minutes

Reed could get to Payton's level by the end of his rookie deal or at some point in his career, but that's no sure thing ... and Boston can't mess around bc they don't have room in the budget over this window with the Jays to mess and around and lose PPs production at that salary

Pritchard should be their target though…

[jbk1234]

Pritchard is crazy value, earning $8mil this year and then for TWO YEARS after this yr as well. With Tatum and Brown on supermaxes, the financial value is very hard to underestimate. There just aren't comparable players (who are proven players) that can match the value... esp with the aprons, and the taxes and Celts having new owners... Payton is extremely hard to trade.

Houston fans have Reed Sheppard as worth more than PP but this is not how Celtics see it with Tatum/Brown in a contention window over the next 3 yrs. Boston would not consider trading Pritchard straight up for Reed. He was the only player in Houston's top 12 with a net negative (-4 per 100) plus/minus on the year. By contrast, Pritchard was +14 per 100 in 300 minutes over 11 playoff games. Reed Sheppard wasn't sniffing playoff rotation minutes

Reed could get to Payton's level by the end of his rookie deal or at some point in his career, but that's no sure thing ... and Boston can't mess around bc they don't have room in the budget over this window with the Jays to mess and around and lose PPs production at that salary

Pritchard should be their target though…

Well, with Jrue gone and Tatum out, I suspect we'll get a good look at what Pritchard's level actually is. He won't be coming off the bench for a stacked team this season and I expect that some of his limitations might be more pronounced.

[bkohler]

Pritchard is crazy value, earning $8mil this year and then for TWO YEARS after this yr as well. With Tatum and Brown on supermaxes, the financial value is very hard to underestimate. There just aren't comparable players (who are proven players) that can match the value... esp with the aprons, and the taxes and Celts having new owners... Payton is extremely hard to trade.

Houston fans have Reed Sheppard as worth more than PP but this is not how Celtics see it with Tatum/Brown in a contention window over the next 3 yrs. Boston would not consider trading Pritchard straight up for Reed. He was the only player in Houston's top 12 with a net negative (-4 per 100) plus/minus on the year. By contrast, Pritchard was +14 per 100 in 300 minutes over 11 playoff games. Reed Sheppard wasn't sniffing playoff rotation minutes

Reed could get to Payton's level by the end of his rookie deal or at some point in his career, but that's no sure thing ... and Boston can't mess around bc they don't have room in the budget over this window with the Jays to mess and around and lose PPs production at that salary

Pritchard should be their target though…

As a neutral fan I’d still much prefer Eason or Shepard over Pritchard and would pay more for either.

[Godaddycurse]

I’ve got the assets ranked Eason, Shepard, Pritchard, Hauser. With a significant gap between Shepards value and Pritchard.


I’m not sure the Pritchard/Hauser deal has positive value. I think it’s close to neutral, maybe a few seconds?

Shepard valuations are tough because he has draft pedigree but he's done nothing and a team also might just not have liked him as a prospect all that much. Very team-to-team valuations there. So someone might see it exactly how you do, some might have him on top of the list, and some could have him last.

I think you're very low on Pritchard, who is a better player than Eason, tbh, and he's signed cheaply for 3 years competed to Eason signed cheaply for one and then probably getting $20M/year. The truth is, as much as people will tout him as "3&D" he's actually below league average from 3 on low volume. That being said, the archetype is overall attractive. I would say Pritchard and Eason are pretty close in value. Eason gets point for archetype scarcity, Pritchard gets points for longer term affordability. I lean towards Eason having more value now, but assuming he extends and eventually becomes trade eligible on that dela I expect Pritchard will have more value because of the mechanics of trading for their salaries.

If your payroll structure allows it for the next 4 years, Hauser on a below MLE deal is really good value. But not a lot of payrolls are built to not be pushed into a tier they don't want to go to with another $10-12M added each of the next 4 years, so that's another team by team case.

You can't say a player isn't very good and then say that he's about to erroneously get a huge FA deal to lower his current value.

20M/year isn't a huge deal, its the going rate for a 4th-5th starter which Eason is/can be. His point is Pritchard is paid below market rate for 3 years, while Eason will be below market for 1 and market rate for 2

[BK_2020]

Shepard valuations are tough because he has draft pedigree but he's done nothing and a team also might just not have liked him as a prospect all that much. Very team-to-team valuations there. So someone might see it exactly how you do, some might have him on top of the list, and some could have him last.

I think you're very low on Pritchard, who is a better player than Eason, tbh, and he's signed cheaply for 3 years competed to Eason signed cheaply for one and then probably getting $20M/year. The truth is, as much as people will tout him as "3&D" he's actually below league average from 3 on low volume. That being said, the archetype is overall attractive. I would say Pritchard and Eason are pretty close in value. Eason gets point for archetype scarcity, Pritchard gets points for longer term affordability. I lean towards Eason having more value now, but assuming he extends and eventually becomes trade eligible on that dela I expect Pritchard will have more value because of the mechanics of trading for their salaries.

If your payroll structure allows it for the next 4 years, Hauser on a below MLE deal is really good value. But not a lot of payrolls are built to not be pushed into a tier they don't want to go to with another $10-12M added each of the next 4 years, so that's another team by team case.

You can't say a player isn't very good and then say that he's about to erroneously get a huge FA deal to lower his current value.

20M/year isn't a huge deal, its the going rate for a 4th-5th starter which Eason is/can be. His point is Pritchard is paid below market rate for 3 years, while Eason will be below market for 1 and market rate for 2

Pritchard's deal isn't much of a bargain. Jerome 3/28, DLo 2/11, Tre Mann, Tre Jones, Tyus Jones, etc. A backup PG at $7 per annum is market rate.

[Godaddycurse]

You can't say a player isn't very good and then say that he's about to erroneously get a huge FA deal to lower his current value.

20M/year isn't a huge deal, its the going rate for a 4th-5th starter which Eason is/can be. His point is Pritchard is paid below market rate for 3 years, while Eason will be below market for 1 and market rate for 2

Pritchard's deal isn't much of a bargain. Jerome 3/28, DLo 2/11, Tre Mann, Tre Jones, Tyus Jones, etc. A backup PG at $7 per annum is market rate.

6 man going rate is about MLE if not more, and he has an argument for being a worthy starter

[BK_2020]

20M/year isn't a huge deal, its the going rate for a 4th-5th starter which Eason is/can be. His point is Pritchard is paid below market rate for 3 years, while Eason will be below market for 1 and market rate for 2

Pritchard's deal isn't much of a bargain. Jerome 3/28, DLo 2/11, Tre Mann, Tre Jones, Tyus Jones, etc. A backup PG at $7 per annum is market rate.

6 man going rate is about MLE if not more, and he has an argument for being a worthy starter

You say this as if I didn't literally just now list all 5 backup PG signings this offseason, all of them for about 6-8 mil per year. That group is made up of small guards who are decent but deeply flawed, just like Pritchard. Pritchard is not better than everyone in that group and definitely not significantly better.
Backups who signed for MLE or somewhat below were Luke Kornet, Bobby Portis, DFS, Luke Kennard and Levert, and this is counting $10 mil per annum which isn't really close to the MLE if we are being honest. The smallest guy in that group is 6'6 and 200 lb. 5'10 one dimensional guard whose best defensive plan is to foul before the shot attempt isn't getting the MLE.

[daoneandonly]

Just really an absurd valuation to think Hou is the one that owes picks here

[redslastlaugh]

It's gonna be fun to see Pritchard (and Brown/White) with the ultimate green light this year, for sure

I'm not saying Celts would never trade PP, Brad Stevens has a strong preference for guards with size (Holiday, D White, Smart) so they could trade him. it is more difficult than one might think tho because of the finances. But they wouldn't want Reed Sheppard coming back

Houston fans have Reed Sheppard as worth more than PP but this is not how Celtics see it with Tatum/Brown in a contention window over the next 3 yrs. Boston would not consider trading Pritchard straight up for Reed.

Pritchard should be their target though…

Well, with Jrue gone and Tatum out, I suspect we'll get a good look at what Pritchard's level actually is. He won't be coming off the bench for a stacked team this season and I expect that some of his limitations might be more pronounced.

[LarsV8]

Eason wouldn't be available for any Boston deal, unless Tatum was involved.

Sheppard wouldn't be available for any Boston deal, unless White was involved.

I am sure Hauser and Pritchard are nice player for reasons X and Y, but Houston loves its guys, and has a very specific need right now, that neither Hauser nor Pritchard fill.

[redslastlaugh]

Thanks for stating the value from Houston's side.

I think the Celtics situation, having two supermax guys, having paid big luxury taxes, and Brad Stevens player preferences make Eason and Sheppard less valuable to them than the vast majority of teams. celtics can't pay Eason's extension and Sheppard can't be counted on for playoff minutes next couple of seasons.

Not speaking for all C's fans, but for myself. I think Sheppard and Eason would have more value across the league than they would for Boston in particular, so that's the POV Im coming from. Not trying to knock their upside or value to a hypothetical team with an open roster and open cap sheet

Eason wouldn't be available for any Boston deal, unless Tatum was involved.

Sheppard wouldn't be available for any Boston deal, unless White was involved.

I am sure Hauser and Pritchard are nice player for reasons X and Y, but Houston loves its guys, and has a very specific need right now, that neither Hauser nor Pritchard fill.

[JJ_PR]

Eason Sheppard and pics
4 hauser and Pritchard
Boston sells high
Houston fills needs

I will say this, the proposal is not insulting for either side. Eason for Pritchard as the framework makes sense for both sides, especially after the FVV injury. Sheppard has some upside, while Hauser is pretty solid on a cheap deal.

[QMemphis]

Eason is the most valuable player in the deal. Picks are going the wrong way if they are added. Pritchard and House don’t fit Rockets playstyle.

Eason may be too expensive for Boston in addition to them taking a chance that Reed can be at least what Pritchard is.

[DiegoChara]

Isn’t Pritchard about a 70% percentile outcome for Sheppard? Meaning, maybe a 30% chance Reed winds up better?

What is he supposedly going to do better than Pritchard? I don’t see the Sheppard upside relative to the downside at the moment.

And Pritchard has the cheaper contract.