Last Home stop: Bluejays Way (90-66) vs red sox (85-71)

[DelAbbot]

This FO got really lucky with our farm system players stepping up in a big way this year (notably Lauer, Barger, Lukes, Clement), and Springer somehow turning back the clock to 2017. But if you look at the acquisitions this FO has made, they have all been horrendously unproductive. Scherzer, Giminez, Santander, Hoffman. Then they sign a 23 HR guy for 500 million.

This FO is pathetic

The missteps in the past offseason will become evident next year - Atkins will hide them by spending more, as previous mistake salaries come off the books this offseason. Perpetually underperforming the top 5 payroll we run.

[WaltFrazier]

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Biggest choker era of this franchise (2020-2025) I’ve ever seen

The collapses of 85 and 87 were painful, but the team was young and building. And the successes of 92 and 93 wiped away those bad memories.

[WaltFrazier]

You guys think AA might want to reunite with Vladdy?

AA coming back to the Jays, yes.

[Randle McMurphy]

You guys think AA might want to reunite with Vladdy?

AA coming back to the Jays, yes.

Not a chance Ed lets that happen after AA turned down his offer 10 years ago

[Parataxis]

Maybe there's something obvious that I'm missing, but when we have TWO regular starters in the pen, why the hell are we doing a 'bullpen' day at this point, rather than giving one of them the start? (Obviously Berrios can't work because they used him yesterday, but that was a choice knowing what today involves)

[Natural11]

Maybe there's something obvious that I'm missing, but when we have TWO regular starters in the pen, why the hell are we doing a 'bullpen' day at this point, rather than giving one of them the start? (Obviously Berrios can't work because they used him yesterday, but that was a choice knowing what today involves)

Analytics are telling them this makes more sense, like when they yanked Berrios in the playoffs when he was dealing.

[Potential]

I can't believe this is happening. I knew it was possible but still, I can't believe it.

Deep down a lot of people seen it coming esp with the bichette injury. I've already prepared myself all season for a collapse because this all felt too good to be true. Randle telling everyone it was a guarantee made it easier for people to believe too

[Randle McMurphy]

I can't believe this is happening. I knew it was possible but still, I can't believe it.

Deep down a lot of people seen it coming esp with the bichette injury. I've already prepared myself all season for a collapse because this all felt too good to be true. Randle telling everyone it was a guarantee made it easier for people to believe too

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They're a slightly above .500 true talent team that went on a crazy hot streak for a month or so. Doesn't mean they still can't fluke out some kind of playoff run but you actually have to hit to do that and the entire team has collectively stopped hitting.

[Randle McMurphy]

Maybe there's something obvious that I'm missing, but when we have TWO regular starters in the pen, why the hell are we doing a 'bullpen' day at this point, rather than giving one of them the start? (Obviously Berrios can't work because they used him yesterday, but that was a choice knowing what today involves)

Lauer isn't stretched out to start a full game at this point and there are theoretical benefits to using an opener.

They also clearly think Berrios sucks (which he kind of does and has for a while now).

[JN]

Lauer as a follower is fine, he is probably not built up right now to give them 5 innings as they have shifted him around so much.

I hate pitching Varland at all in a close game, but its better to use Varland in inning 1 than inning 6 or later (If our offence gets back to a world where they can score 3 or 4 runs a game). We will need to go to Varland anyway today, so just get him out of the way and have 8 innings to deal with any consequences. I thought they have started Fisher in a desire to have better odds at a quick lead, but whatever.

In the end we would have probably been best to keep Lauer in the #5 spot in the rotation based on merit, and just made the decision on Berrios sooner.

In his last 4 starts being a regular in the rotation, Lauer had one great start, one good start, a so-so start, and a bad start. Which is fine for #5 starter.

Then they let him rot on the sidelines for 11 days without knowing his role for a full week (before or after) and he struggled since.

[xAIRNESSx]

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[Tripod]

We had 5 starters
Added Bieber
Added Yesavage

Now somehow they have 4 starters.

[Randle McMurphy]

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Hitting advice to the 500M man

[Randle McMurphy]

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MRI suggests it may be real, but that's a pretty conveniently timed injury for a team in need of an arm before a bullpen game.

[Jerry Lucas]

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MRI suggests it may be real, but that's a pretty conveniently timed injury for a team in need of an arm before a bullpen game.

Can we get a Scherzer phantom IL stint too? I think yesterday should be the last we've seen of both Berrios (in 2025) and Scherzer.

[Hottie McShotty]

Question for you all. I saw the replay again when Vladdy was tossed. What did he do or say to the ump that got him tossed so quickly?

I'm telling you, these umpires and MLB have it for us. They don't want a Canadian team to win the division or the AL.

[Randle McMurphy]

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MRI suggests it may be real, but that's a pretty conveniently timed injury for a team in need of an arm before a bullpen game.

Can we get a Scherzer phantom IL stint too? I think yesterday should be the last we've seen of both Berrios (in 2025) and Scherzer.

Don't think they can even afford to do it now given the phantom IL stint to Bassitt knocked him out of the WC series.

I'm still skeptical but Scherzer could somehow make the playoff roster given how few stretched out bulk arms this team actually has left.

They really galaxy brained themselves into this predicament yet again.

[Randle McMurphy]

Question for you all. I saw the replay again when Vladdy was tossed. What did he do or say to the ump that got him tossed so quickly?

I'm telling you, these umpires and MLB have it for us. They don't want a Canadian team to win the division or the AL.

He pointed to the ground where he alleged the pitched crossed. Showing up an umpire like that visually will quite often get an ejection and considering that's the first time I've ever seen Vlad do that in his career I think he knew what he was doing and was trying to get ejected.

While the league is rigged for NYY and LAD, I don't think that ejection signifies much.

[Jerry Lucas]

MRI suggests it may be real, but that's a pretty conveniently timed injury for a team in need of an arm before a bullpen game.

Can we get a Scherzer phantom IL stint too? I think yesterday should be the last we've seen of both Berrios (in 2025) and Scherzer.

Don't think they can even afford to do it now given the phantom IL stint to Bassitt knocked him out of the WC series.

I'm still skeptical but Scherzer could somehow make the playoff roster given how few stretched out bulk arms this team actually has left.

They really galaxy brained themselves into this predicament yet again.

Even in the scenario that the Jays use Gausman in game 162 if the magic number is 1, and still end up in the wild card series, I'd rather see the rotation for the wild card series be Bieber and Yesavage for games 1 and 2, and a bullpen game for game 3 if necessary (ideally led by Lauer behind an opener) instead of Scherzer.

If the Jays don't use Gausman in game 162 then the rotation for a wild card series would be Gausman, Bieber, Yesavage.

[Michael Bradley]

Can we get a Scherzer phantom IL stint too? I think yesterday should be the last we've seen of both Berrios (in 2025) and Scherzer.

Don't think they can even afford to do it now given the phantom IL stint to Bassitt knocked him out of the WC series.

I'm still skeptical but Scherzer could somehow make the playoff roster given how few stretched out bulk arms this team actually has left.

They really galaxy brained themselves into this predicament yet again.

Even in the scenario that the Jays use Gausman in game 162 if the magic number is 1, and still end up in the wild card series, I'd rather see the rotation for the wild card series be Bieber and Yesavage for games 1 and 2, and a bullpen game for game 3 if necessary (ideally led by Lauer behind an opener) instead of Scherzer.

If the Jays don't use Gausman in game 162 then the rotation for a wild card series would be Gausman, Bieber, Yesavage.

Bieber pitching tomorrow means that the earliest he can pitch in the Wild Card round on regular (4 days) rest is Game 2 on Wednesday. So if they use Gausman on Sunday and still have to play the WC round, then the Jays have to decide between a bullpen game (good idea based on alternatives) vs starting Max (very, very bad idea) in Game 1.