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For anyone who doesn't know, RealGM allows users to self-moderate the boards. If there is someone whose posts you don't want to see, you can simply go to their profile by clicking on their name and then click "add foe" and their posts will mostly be hidden from you. You will still see their posts if someone quotes them, but otherwise they will be out of your sight.

I highly recommend it and the mods will thank you with a fruitcake for Christmas.

[HeatFanLifer]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

[SerialChiller]

It's a little weird that you're tracking my "and 1s". But since you brought it up, part of the reason that you notice a dip is because certain posters go on my ignore list. Some permanently because they repeatedly insist on being jerks, and some temporarily. You literally just came off my ignore list. Personal attacks and insults get posters put on the foes list because that's what it's there for. I encourage everyone to do the same. It lowers the blood pressure for posters and mods alike. No one has to like you. No one has to be your friend. Just keep it civil and keep it moving.

Also, no one is entitled to and 1s. Sometimes I hand them out like Halloween candy to thank posters who keep this place active. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I don't have the time to go page by page and 1'ing everyone. In basketball threads pretty much anything will get an and1. In this thread my and 1s are handed out based on the content. Some threads like the draft threads I barely visit, so you won't find many and 1s from me there.

fyi this post that I'm responding to is sending you right back to the foes list for reasons I already stated. So if you notice that I'm not responding or and 1'ing your post, now you know why.

Not tracking just something that stood out and I couldn't help but notice since you have often went through pages in the main thread and-1ing everyone for awhile now, I've been here a long time. Like I said, I don't give a f**k it's just something hilarious and petty that became apparent. And entitled wtf you talking about, they are completely meaningless anyways. It's just funny to see someone skip or ignore posters that disagreed with them about politics when it comes to basketball discussion. All of which further proves my point about why your BS "news" doesn't belong here since it divides the board and creates unnecessary "foes" over "discussions" that have nothing to do with basketball or even sports which is what we're all here to discuss. Well except for 2 clowns. But go ahead and put posters on the ignore list for pointing out the fact that you want to lecture us about politics over talking basketball in a basketball forum lol.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

[HeatFanLifer]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

STFU

[MiamiLoyal926]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

As for the Comey point…. both situations do not seem equal. One seemingly comes from a point of concern for national security where Trump seemingly has ties with Russia and that needed/needs to be investigated. The other is someone retaliating because of that investigation and is now trying to get even (while also sending the message of hurting and hushing his foes). One is an abuse of power while the other is doing his job as director of FBI. Like you said, if Comey has done wrong, then let it come to light. With that said, I can’t help but feel concern that this administration will not act in good faith and is looking for retribution rather than justice.

[HeatFanLifer]

“This statement alone shows me you haven’t taken the time” bla bla bla. Stupid ass gaslighting ****. So tired of your stupid leftist lies. That is the democrat policy platform. Defund the police. 20 million known illegals crossing the border including at least 300,000 kids without their parents.

Didn’t take the time. Yo I see this **** every **** day. Your **** dumbass aint got eyes. Once again STFU.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

STFU

Very mature. Not sure what about my message got you this hostile?

Why write a political piece and not be open to discussion? So you don’t care to understand the point of view of those on the other side? Was the purpose just to kick dirt at the democrats? How can you even have an opinion of them if you have no intent to understand them or their POV?

[unowen85]

Y’all need more relatives that have been brainwashed into cults. Let them live in their happy little bubbles.

There’s more important things in life than arguing with them, like looking forward to Tua getting another concussion on national tv this Monday.

[MiamiLoyal926]

“This statement alone shows me you haven’t taken the time” bla bla bla. Stupid ass gaslighting ****. So tired of your stupid leftist lies. That is the democrat policy platform. Defund the police. 20 million known illegals crossing the border including at least 300,000 kids without their parents.

Didn’t take the time. Yo I see this **** every **** day. Your **** dumbass aint got eyes. Once again STFU.

Bro… I literally am not coming at you with any hostility. If it came off that way, my bad. I urge you to re-read my message from the lens of someone trying to speak for the left’s POV in hopes that we can see eye to eye without jumping to conclusions or pre-conceived notions.

Again, not meant as an attack, but meant to offer a differing POV.

[SerialChiller]

[HeatFanLifer]

This **** is so dumb. Quit **** talking politics on a goddamn basketball forum.

“Oh if you don’t like it you can mute”

No bitches STFU. I want to hear what you say so I can debate with you. But when ya’ll justify violence (contract), or attack me saying I clearly don’t take the time to understand ****, then the debate is over. You lose. STFU.

[HeatFanLifer]

:lol:

Gom didn’t call me an embarrassment for no reason. I thrive when someone attacks my ideas, but I got a short temper when someone attacks me personally.

[SerialChiller]

:lol:

Gom didn’t call me an embarrassment for no reason. I thrive when someone attacks my ideas, but I got a short temper when someone attacks me personally.

Those 2 main trolls wouldn't stop until it came to this, it's just what eventually always happens when you talk politics (especially with sweeping generalizations and a consistently snide tone) where it doesn't belong. It's inevitable and why the mods should of been on this a long time ago instead of letting a couple lunatics straight up ignore them and push things to this point. Some people just selfishly want to lecture others to feel good about themselves until some take the bait and eventually it causes conflict since they have no respect.

[MiamiLoyal926]

This **** is so dumb. Quit **** talking politics on a goddamn basketball forum.

“Oh if you don’t like it you can mute”

No bitches STFU. I want to hear what you say so I can debate with you. But when ya’ll justify violence (contract), or attack me saying I clearly don’t take the time to understand ****, then the debate is over. You lose. STFU.

We all lose when both sides aren’t willing to have healthy discourse. “STFU” is not a discussion… it only supports the notion that you have no desire to understand the opposing POV.

Not sure what I missed in prior discussions, but it seems as if you are carrying some hostility from another discussion and taking it out on me and my choice to engage with you on politics, which from my perspective you decided to discuss in here making it you (from my POV) who brought politics into a basketball forum. This is my first time reading your POV as it pertains to politics so I was not aware it would yield this reaction.

I will say, based on what I felt was a massive misrepresentation of every democrat I know on your part, I simply wanted to point out that not a single democrat I know has those points of views you so easily accused us of having. I figured you would care enough to see the other side of it.

[MiamiLoyal926]

:lol:

Gom didn’t call me an embarrassment for no reason. I thrive when someone attacks my ideas, but I got a short temper when someone attacks me personally.

Those 2 main trolls wouldn't stop until it came to this, it's just what eventually always happens when you talk politics (especially with sweeping generalizations and a consistently snide tone) where it doesn't belong. It's inevitable and why the mods should of been on this a long time ago instead of letting a couple lunatics straight up ignore them and push things to this point. Some people just selfishly want to lecture others to feel good about themselves until some take the bait and eventually it causes conflict since they have no respect.

I hardly ever come into this thread… seems like I missed a lot of not so nice back and forth?

[SerialChiller]

Gom didn’t call me an embarrassment for no reason. I thrive when someone attacks my ideas, but I got a short temper when someone attacks me personally.

Those 2 main trolls wouldn't stop until it came to this, it's just what eventually always happens when you talk politics (especially with sweeping generalizations and a consistently snide tone) where it doesn't belong. It's inevitable and why the mods should of been on this a long time ago instead of letting a couple lunatics straight up ignore them and push things to this point. Some people just selfishly want to lecture others to feel good about themselves until some take the bait and eventually it causes conflict since they have no respect.

I hardly ever come into this thread… seems like I missed a lot of not so nice back and forth?

Yeah it's not you...there's 2 instigators that have been non stop insisting on keeping this going despite all others clearly trying to move on but eventually HFL took the bait and after trying to not talk politics made a political post then you responded to his post and he overreacted is all. But 2 clowns have been non stop jabbing at him and everyone who disagrees with them for like 50 pages now.

[HeatFanLifer]

Those 2 main trolls wouldn't stop until it came to this, it's just what eventually always happens when you talk politics (especially with sweeping generalizations and a consistently snide tone) where it doesn't belong. It's inevitable and why the mods should of been on this a long time ago instead of letting a couple lunatics straight up ignore them and push things to this point. Some people just selfishly want to lecture others to feel good about themselves until some take the bait and eventually it causes conflict since they have no respect.

I hardly ever come into this thread… seems like I missed a lot of not so nice back and forth?

Yeah it's not you...there's 2 instigators that have been non stop insisting on keeping this going despite all others clearly trying to move on but eventually HFL took the bait and after trying to not talk politics made a political post then you responded to his post and he overreacted is all. But 2 clowns have been non stop jabbing at him and everyone who disagrees with them for like 50 pages now.

Not an overreaction. Just tired of bull. Happy to debate, but no promotion of violence or personal attacks.

[Shewasfly]

Indictments incoming. I can't work up any sympathy for Comey since he had a hand in helping Trump get elected in the first place.

Leopards, faces, and all that.

Is it wrong that this is one that I genuinely don't care about? I mean, yes, the targeting of a political enemy bodes horrendously for the future. And for that reason alone I hope this goes nowhere. But I can't bring myself to care if it doesn't and Comey faces consequences. He's just the test dummy anyway. They will begin doing it to other political opponents, so I'll save my care when it isn't someone who was one of the first to tamper with the political process in this 10 year debacle we're living through.

[contract]

Very mature. Not sure what about my message got you this hostile?

Why write a political piece and not be open to discussion? So you don’t care to understand the point of view of those on the other side? Was the purpose just to kick dirt at the democrats? How can you even have an opinion of them if you have no intent to understand them or their POV?

I get the impression that certain posters have decided to escalate figuring that if hostility and insults and personal attacks start flying, it will force the mods to shut down these topics.