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[Tony15]

My mentality going into MNF....think I want a loss to better ensure Grier/McDaniel are out.

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[Shewasfly]

Tried to get yall to chill out cuz this thread is becoming toxic. Lemme give a summary though of the position I support: If so many Democrats weren’t in favor of completely open borders, socialism, unlimited access to government benefits for those who illegally come to this country, lack of law enforcement, double standards in the law for every day citizens, and escalating endorsement of violence, then I would consider supporting them. I don’t much like Republicans, there just aren’t as many crazy ones on the right as of now.

You can raise the red flag of this Comey arrest, but most people don’t care. The arrest and prosecution of Trump kind of dulled the shock factor of seeing a person formerly in a position of power being indicted. I personally think if anyone has broken the law, then there needs to be consequences. Especially if it’s a person in power. A jury will now decide whether Comey is guilty and honestly if it’s a DC jury I don’t see him being found guilty. Everything is so political now.

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

Hopefully you only wrote this for those lurking and reading but not posting in order to give them information. Cause I could have told you you were never going to receive a sensible response.

[Shewasfly]

Very mature. Not sure what about my message got you this hostile?

Why write a political piece and not be open to discussion? So you don’t care to understand the point of view of those on the other side? Was the purpose just to kick dirt at the democrats? How can you even have an opinion of them if you have no intent to understand them or their POV?

I get the impression that certain posters have decided to escalate figuring that if hostility and insults and personal attacks start flying, it will force the mods to shut down these topics.

That's exactly what he's doing, right out of the Fox News-style manipulation playbook. Its just odd because everyone can literally read and see that there was nothing hostile about the post. It was actually very thoughtful and well written.

[HeatFanLifer]

An idiot not even in this country is the last person I want to see talking about internal American affairs. Especially given all the bull going on in Brazil right now between jailing Bolsonaro and silencing free speech.

[HeatFanLifer]

My mentality going into MNF....think I want a loss to better ensure Grier/McDaniel are out.

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Even if Grier and McDaniel get fired, what happens next? No one wants to work there. Phins culture is more dysfunctional than shewasfly’s posts.

[HeatFanLifer]

Tua is the sixth highest pais QB in the NFL. Herbert makes less money than Tua. Who the hell negotiated that deal?

[Tim_Hardawayy]

This statement right here tells me you haven’t really taken the time to understand the things that motivate and move the democrats. I assure you that if you take the time to really understand what left leaning people want, and I mean talk to them with an open mind and not this pre-conceived notion you have, you would learn that the left doesn’t want those things either. What they want is a government for the people and by the people.

I'll give you a good faith response.

- Not “completely open borders”. They want fair treatment and consideration of people fleeing another country. Give them the right to due process. They want proper funding and processes in place for homeland security to process these people quicker and either grant them status, or deport them, whichever is the fair treatment for their circumstances.

What's being done is population replacement, and its not being done for humanitarian reasons, its being done for cheap slave labor. This is why I'm not a pro republican guy either. The humanitarian excuses are done to keep people arguing in circles while the gates continue to be left open. The H1B program is just as big of an issue and that one is currently being supported by the Republicans, neither party has the native populations interests at heart.

- Not “socialism”. They want human rights and a country for the people. They want a country that does not benefit off of the working class, but that it is working for the working class… while also cultivating corporate America. The left wants a balance that seeks to favor both sides, not just the big corporations and top 1%.

Economics is a complicated topic, but if you're talking about benefiting the working class, one of the most important things you can do is stop importing competition. H1B's are undercutting all of the tech job salaries (its going on in the medical field too, I can give first hand anecdotes, met a PT from a south American country who was imported with only a bachelors and working for 45k a year, PT school in the US is a doctorate program that costs over 100k, I hope you can see the issue). And even the fruit pickers and service workers are having a negative impact, because they still drive the wages down. The truth is there is no job an American won't do, that is a lie, there's only jobs Americans won't do for a certain wage, and if you stopped the flow of illegal and H1B labor, American employers would be forced to offer competitive wages.

- Not “unlimited access to government benefits”. They want services in place that can help provide essential needs to low income families and if that also includes those recently granted status as well, then so be it. They also want better systems in place to limit abuse of those benefits, while also ensuring its people have access to those benefits if they need it and other services that can help them climb up and out of the bottom. They want their taxes to serve the people in ways they truly need it.

On the whole I don't have a huge issue with certain social safety nets either, the issue is deciding how they're implemented. Also, if you offer a wider net, you need to be stricter on immigration (or possibly shut it down for a time altogether) because otherwise you're just going to attract people who want to leech. This is the problem Europe is facing right now, economic migrants (that is what they are, its mostly young military aged men) are risking everything to get access to their huge social safety nets.

- Not “lack of law enforcement”. They want law enforcement that is not corrupt or discriminatory. They want law enforcement that considers all people as “innocent until proven guilty”.

The problem is when you have a segment of the population that overwhelmingly commits more crime, there's always going to be a group that tries to excuse it for other reasons. And this is where some on the other side will shut down and call me racist and pull what H4L did, but its just true that certain groups are more prone to certain behaviors. When asians excel in academics, we don't blame it on outside factors, we accept that its something they are inherently good at or that their culture values. It works both ways unfortunately. Also bodycam videos have done no favors for the alternative argument, that its all environmental and not their fault.

That being said, obviously I agree with the statement innocent until proven guilty.

- Not “double standards in the law”. This one is far from a left point of view. They want equal treatment for all, which is literally the opposite of double standards, which is what we currently have where a white man is treated differently than all others.

What are you suggesting here? In what ways is a white man treated differently? If its legal, please explain. I can tell you right now if you're equating this to policing, you've already lost me. Studies have shown that armed/unarmed white men get gunned down at roughly the same or higher rates than armed/unarmed black men in criminal cases, when you adjust per capita (which you always should).

- Not “escalating endorsement of violence”. Again, this one is far from a left point of view. The left wants a de-escalation of violence through policy, proper support programs and services, and regulation. The left is more of the peace and love hippie type; seeking to use words, reasoning, critical thinking, and logic to convey their message. Not violence. They will write a petition before ever even considering to draw a sword.

The left encompasses a lot of different groups, and there are a lot of nihilistic types that identify left that are happy for accelerationism. That's why you'll see montages of people openly celebrating the murder of an innocent man. That said, I think what you're referring to is more the boomer left, which I agree are generally more like that. This is the group that benefited off the most prosperous period in US history (50's to 70's) and just want everything to be like that forever without any understanding of the extraordinary circumstances that created that boom.

Again, I challenge you to really try to understand what a democrat wants through their lens and words and not the lens of right leaning propaganda. I truly hope you made it this far and have taken the time to see it through my lens with an open mind that perhaps your understanding of left leaning people is not accurate.

I'm not speaking for anyone else, but I think I have a good understanding of what the left wants, I just disagree with their methodology in getting there. To me the biggest difference in the sides (not the parties as I think the parties are corporatized husks) is the left is utopian and utopian ideology usually fails utterly under the weight of its broad ambitions, while the right (again not republicans but the right as an ideology) tends to be pragmatic, which can lead to harsher outcomes in the short term but generally does a better job of dealing with human nature as it is rather than what people may want it to be.

To add to that, the right generally views the left as ignorant but well intentioned, which is why you'll see when family members have these types of disputes, its usually the left leaning ones that cut off the right. While the left tend to view the right as morally bankrupt and irredeemable, its why you'll see them routinely get labeled as nazis, which is effectively saying "this person is evil and they deserve to die". It makes for a difficult divide when people get really caught up in politics.

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[Vertical Limit]

Tua is the sixth highest pais QB in the NFL. Herbert makes less money than Tua. Who the hell negotiated that deal?

We are stuck with that contract at least one more season after this due to cap penalties we would face if we waived him.

[Vertical Limit]

Big loss for FSU tonight against Virginia.. they may have overlooked the Cavs looking ahead to Miami next week..

I thought we would see two 4-0 teams in Tallahassee. A win against Miami still puts them in the playoff picture. Should still be a great game. FSU again has a porous defense.. another season where they just give up big chunk yards

[Vertical Limit]

God bless the american citizens of Portland. That is about the most **** crazy order by a US President to it’s own citizens that ive seen in my lifetime.. and i thought the Elian Gonzales **** was bad in Miami.

I cant believe there are actual people that support our own military attacking our very own people.

[HeatFanLifer]

God bless the american citizens of Portland. That is about the most **** crazy order by a US President to it’s own citizens that ive seen in my lifetime.. and i thought the Elian Gonzales **** was bad in Miami.

I cant believe there are actual people that support our own military attacking our very own people.

Wasn’t ICE Cube’s bus just firebombed in Portland because the bus said ICE on it?

[Shewasfly]

God bless the american citizens of Portland. That is about the most **** crazy order by a US President to it’s own citizens that ive seen in my lifetime.. and i thought the Elian Gonzales **** was bad in Miami.

I cant believe there are actual people that support our own military attacking our very own people.

Scary times, especially with this secret meeting coming up with military leaders where they are reportedly going to be loyalty tested for allegiance to Trump.

[BadMofoPimp]

It must be unhinged for radicals to feel the need to blast a sports forum with their political hatred. But, this is what America is turning to on both sides of the political spectrum. Now, we have to listen to radicals blast about everything they hate. No wonder people go on crazy violent rampages in real life when they cannot disconnect and feel the need to express their hatred to anyone and everyone they associate with regardless if they disagree with them. It just sucks for RealGM sports fans to deal with radical hatred in their only place of sports solitude which is no longer. The radicals have won the argument to share their hatred with people who want nothing to do with them or what they think about in Politics on a sports forum. Extremist Radicals. . .

They could always go to Foxnews or MSNBC/CNN to post comments there, but no, they want to express hatred to everyone on a sports pages forum . . .

I am a centrist and dislike both sides, but now I am beginning to understand why those people voted in Trump. They got tired of whiners.

[SerialChiller]

It must be unhinged for radicals to feel the need to blast a sports forum with their political hatred. But, this is what America is turning to on both sides of the political spectrum. Now, we have to listen to radicals blast about everything they hate. No wonder people go on crazy violent rampages in real life when they cannot disconnect and feel the need to express their hatred to anyone and everyone they associate with regardless if they disagree with them. It just sucks for RealGM sports fans to deal with radical hatred in their only place of sports solitude which is no longer. The radicals have won the argument to share their hatred with people who want nothing to do with them or what they think about in Politics on a sports forum. Extremist Radicals. . .

They could always go to Foxnews or MSNBC/CNN to post comments there, but no, they want to express hatred to everyone on a sports pages forum . . .

I am a centrist and dislike both sides, but now I am beginning to understand why those people voted in Trump. They got tired of whiners.

They haven't won any arguments so much as it just being a case of no one even wanting to deal with them because they are so insufferable, including the mods haha. It's funny though, no one here pulled this crap the other way when they were in power and actively ruining the country, in fact some of the same people were still trolling and complaining even then if you go back and look at the beginning of this thread. And now after they lost they (well mainly 2 in particular) can't stop trolling and crying in here, it's really quite pathetic...

[MiamiLoyal926]

It must be unhinged for radicals to feel the need to blast a sports forum with their political hatred. But, this is what America is turning to on both sides of the political spectrum. Now, we have to listen to radicals blast about everything they hate. No wonder people go on crazy violent rampages in real life when they cannot disconnect and feel the need to express their hatred to anyone and everyone they associate with regardless if they disagree with them. It just sucks for RealGM sports fans to deal with radical hatred in their only place of sports solitude which is no longer. The radicals have won the argument to share their hatred with people who want nothing to do with them or what they think about in Politics on a sports forum. Extremist Radicals. . .

They could always go to Foxnews or MSNBC/CNN to post comments there, but no, they want to express hatred to everyone on a sports pages forum . . .

I am a centrist and dislike both sides, but now I am beginning to understand why those people voted in Trump. They got tired of whiners.

They haven't won any arguments so much as it just being a case of no one even wanting to deal with them because they are so insufferable, including the mods haha. It's funny though, no one here pulled this crap the other way when they were in power and actively ruining the country, in fact some of the same people were still trolling and complaining even then if you go back and look at the beginning of this thread. And now after they lost they (well mainly 2 in particular) can't stop trolling and crying in here, it's really quite pathetic...

I get we are sports fans and thus care about winning… but nothing about this political climate is winning for anyone. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” We are all the losers in today’s economic and political climate… being pawned against each other while those in power shape this country to their benefit. We can continue to argue in here like pawns or rise above this bull.

[HeatFanLifer]

It must be unhinged for radicals to feel the need to blast a sports forum with their political hatred. But, this is what America is turning to on both sides of the political spectrum. Now, we have to listen to radicals blast about everything they hate. No wonder people go on crazy violent rampages in real life when they cannot disconnect and feel the need to express their hatred to anyone and everyone they associate with regardless if they disagree with them. It just sucks for RealGM sports fans to deal with radical hatred in their only place of sports solitude which is no longer. The radicals have won the argument to share their hatred with people who want nothing to do with them or what they think about in Politics on a sports forum. Extremist Radicals. . .

They could always go to Foxnews or MSNBC/CNN to post comments there, but no, they want to express hatred to everyone on a sports pages forum . . .

I am a centrist and dislike both sides, but now I am beginning to understand why those people voted in Trump. They got tired of whiners.

They haven't won any arguments so much as it just being a case of no one even wanting to deal with them because they are so insufferable, including the mods haha. It's funny though, no one here pulled this crap the other way when they were in power and actively ruining the country, in fact some of the same people were still trolling and complaining even then if you go back and look at the beginning of this thread. And now after they lost they (well mainly 2 in particular) can't stop trolling and crying in here, it's really quite pathetic...

I get we are sports fans and thus care about winning… but nothing about this political climate is winning for anyone. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” We are all the losers in today’s economic and political climate… being pawned against each other while those in power shape this country to their benefit. We can continue to argue in here like pawns or rise above this bull.

This sounds like socialist bull. If you work hard in America, you will live better than 95% of the world. If you work smart in America, you will be middle class. If you work hard and smart in America, you can achieve anything you want. Point being, don’t let the socialists make you think you are being held down. That discourages effort and will keep you down. Don’t like what you are doing? Be a likable person that people want to work with. Stop browsing a basketball forum looking for political **** to talk about.

This aint a post about you MiamiLoyal, just calling you out on trying to frame people as holding some down. Being held down by one’s own expectation of lower expectations is a society destroying mindset. For example: “I am not where I want to be in life because someone deprived me of opportunities” It is the largest albatross around a person of almost all the factors (other than health).

[Tony15]

^This I can get behind to an extent, but it would be willful ignorance on my part to dismiss the fact that certain groups are dealt a bad hand as a result (direct or indirect) of a system that encourages it. That being said, it’s far from impossible to get out from under it & I find too many folk adopt a woe-is-me defeatist attitude.

Speaking as someone (33 y/o now) who grew up low/middle class & worked hard to build a high net worth & retire my parents (both 55), it’s doable for every able-bodied individual.


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[MiamiLoyal926]

Agreed, H4L and Tony, you and your ambitions are the champions of the life you want to live.

With that said, to ignore the divisive rhetoric coming from the top is to ignore how that is the weapon used against its people to keep them busy and distracted from the other micro adjustments and changes being made. Those changes, as a collective, chip away at the quality of life of the other 98% - 99% of the people.

I’ll give you a case in point. I am a huge national parks junkie and have been to 25 of the 63, with the goal of getting to all of them by the time my son graduates high school in 5 years. This year, we visited 8 national parks, with 3 of them being repeats. The staff was thinned, their patience and kindness no longer the same, and the parks less maintained and protected from the common people who do not protect it themselves. The national parks are a service that provides an elevated quality of life to me. It is no secret that this public service was directly impacted by today’s administration, and not for the better. This may be meaningless to any of you, but it was a big deal for me. Just like that, I am sure there are hundreds, if not thousands of other micro adjustments and changes that have impacted our nations people in various ways.

Another example… as a Venezuelan immigrant, albeit a US citizen, I have other reasons to say that current policy has impacted me in a negative way. (And I can come up with at least another handful). In silos, they can be managed and dealt with, but as a collective, they start to weigh heavy. As of a few weeks ago, I am a legal guardian of my niece, who is US born, but my cousin is a Venezuelan immigrant here on protective status and with an open application for asylum they submitted 9 years ago. Two months ago, the administration finally addressed their application by denying it. This is an educated and degreed mother, who works for the head start program in Texas, as a lead teacher. Not a criminal, but a contributing member of her community, serving in an understaffed industry. She is being asked to self deport back to Venezuela, but her daughter, being a U.S. Citizen, is not allowed to enter Venezuela and would be deported back to the U.S. and placed into the foster system. As a result, to prevent that, I am now the legal guardian of my niece.

This, again, is a direct impact propagated by this administration. My wife and I do really well for ourselves, but regardless of that, the impacts of this administration go beyond just economic. Our quality of life is being affected in so many various ways. Rather than lowering the temperature, the administration, and even its supporters, continue to throw salt at open wounds (like my niece being separated from her direct family). Rather than blindly defend your side versus mine, it’s about damn time we stop being selfish, bickering, pointing fingers, and start to work together to help the common American, cause regardless of economic status, we are all part of that group.

[unowen85]

Season was over after last week’s loss. And now, Tua’s career with the Dolphins will be over if he loses tonight at home to the Jets on MNF.