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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1001 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:15 pm

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I don't know about that first bit but these trades are nuts.

Plus, the DWB rate in NYC would double with that dude in town.

Kessler is better. If the Jazz wanted McBride, Dadiet and/or Kolek, we should most certainly try creatively to somehow get him. Ainge seems to value him highly, however, and I can’t fault him. Robinson sure is a great center to have, but having both would be beautiful.


I don't think we would need to give up Mitch.

McBride, Dadiet (whom Ainge supposedly is keen on) and Kolek and then a 1st and 2nd round pick is plenty for Kessler.

Kessler is not an offensive juggernaut by any stretch nor is he Rudy Gobert defensively either. He is a nice player but isn't going to get an all-star type package to get him either.


He wants 1st rd picks, not 2 rd picks.
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Post#1002 » by thebuzzardman » Fri Sep 26, 2025 5:37 pm

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Post#1003 » by spree2kawhi » Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:16 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Kessler is better. If the Jazz wanted McBride, Dadiet and/or Kolek, we should most certainly try creatively to somehow get him. Ainge seems to value him highly, however, and I can’t fault him. Robinson sure is a great center to have, but having both would be beautiful.


I don't think we would need to give up Mitch.

McBride, Dadiet (whom Ainge supposedly is keen on) and Kolek and then a 1st and 2nd round pick is plenty for Kessler.

Kessler is not an offensive juggernaut by any stretch nor is he Rudy Gobert defensively either. He is a nice player but isn't going to get an all-star type package to get him either.


He wants 1st rd picks, not 2 rd picks.

Exactly. What I’m saying is we should try to get him, but I don’t think we can, really. I’d love it, but I don’t think we will. I was hoping to get him and Sexton because at that point in time, it made sense for both teams financially. Now it doesn’t really make too much sense for Utah.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1004 » by KnixinSix » Fri Sep 26, 2025 6:41 pm

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spree2kawhi wrote:Kessler is better. If the Jazz wanted McBride, Dadiet and/or Kolek, we should most certainly try creatively to somehow get him. Ainge seems to value him highly, however, and I can’t fault him. Robinson sure is a great center to have, but having both would be beautiful.


I don't think we would need to give up Mitch.

McBride, Dadiet (whom Ainge supposedly is keen on) and Kolek and then a 1st and 2nd round pick is plenty for Kessler.

Kessler is not an offensive juggernaut by any stretch nor is he Rudy Gobert defensively either. He is a nice player but isn't going to get an all-star type package to get him either.


He wants 1st rd picks, not 2 rd picks.


Eh. McBride is worth a 1st round pick and Dadiet a guy Ainge supposedly likes is worth a borderline 1 as well.

Then throw in Kolek and a 1st and 2nd to boot and thats plenty
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Post#1005 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:17 am

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Post#1006 » by BKlutch » Sat Sep 27, 2025 1:24 pm

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Post#1007 » by VirginiaKnickFan » Sat Sep 27, 2025 5:43 pm

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I don't think we would need to give up Mitch.

McBride, Dadiet (whom Ainge supposedly is keen on) and Kolek and then a 1st and 2nd round pick is plenty for Kessler.

Kessler is not an offensive juggernaut by any stretch nor is he Rudy Gobert defensively either. He is a nice player but isn't going to get an all-star type package to get him either.


He wants 1st rd picks, not 2 rd picks.


Eh. McBride is worth a 1st round pick and Dadiet a guy Ainge supposedly likes is worth a borderline 1 as well.

Then throw in Kolek and a 1st and 2nd to boot and thats plenty


Ainge wants picks that he can use or trade, not some players which you place the value of a 1st rounder on.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1008 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sat Sep 27, 2025 6:58 pm

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The LakeShow seem to get all the guys they want.

However Kessler is CAA and Utah worked out Dadiet and seems to like him as a prospect.

Dadiet, Kolek, McBride, a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick.


They won't go over the 2nd apron until next year. This trade will never happen.


THat trade brings back less money than what goes out. Kesslers salary is around 5m. They wouldn't go over 2nd apron at all.



The money has to match and how do they stay under the apron and sign the two vet mini deals to get to the required 14 regular contracts? They can't. It won't happen
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Post#1009 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:03 pm

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When I woke up today I looked under my tree but PapaGiannis didn't leave me any presents :cry:


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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1010 » by BKlutch » Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:12 pm

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When I woke up today I looked under my tree but PapaGiannis didn't leave me any presents :cry:


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Rapture? Rapture? I didn't get no stinkin' Raptors!
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1011 » by KnixinSix » Sun Sep 28, 2025 12:17 pm

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They won't go over the 2nd apron until next year. This trade will never happen.


THat trade brings back less money than what goes out. Kesslers salary is around 5m. They wouldn't go over 2nd apron at all.



The money has to match and how do they stay under the apron and sign the two vet mini deals to get to the required 14 regular contracts? They can't. It won't happen



Utah would include another 3-4M salary to make it work under the 10% rule.

And the players they are getting in conjunction with the picks are fair value for Kessler. Don't mean it automatically happens (esp cuz its Ainge) but the value in the trade is fair.
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Post#1012 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Sun Sep 28, 2025 3:30 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
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KnixinSix wrote:
THat trade brings back less money than what goes out. Kesslers salary is around 5m. They wouldn't go over 2nd apron at all.



The money has to match and how do they stay under the apron and sign the two vet mini deals to get to the required 14 regular contracts? They can't. It won't happen



Utah would include another 3-4M salary to make it work under the 10% rule.

And the players they are getting in conjunction with the picks are fair value for Kessler. Don't mean it automatically happens (esp cuz its Ainge) but the value in the trade is fair.

Utah is well under the salary cap. They do not need to worry about matching salaries.
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Post#1013 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Sep 28, 2025 5:14 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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The money has to match and how do they stay under the apron and sign the two vet mini deals to get to the required 14 regular contracts? They can't. It won't happen



Utah would include another 3-4M salary to make it work under the 10% rule.

And the players they are getting in conjunction with the picks are fair value for Kessler. Don't mean it automatically happens (esp cuz its Ainge) but the value in the trade is fair.

Utah is well under the salary cap. They do not need to worry about matching salaries.


I am of the understanding that our apron is only able to squeeze one vet and one rookie vet without making any moves. Any trades we have to match salary and the number of players involved or we will end up over the cap trying to fill out just 14 contracts.
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Post#1014 » by R-DAWG » Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:01 am

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If they made the same money, would you trade Josh Hart for the new version of Quentin Grimes?


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Grimes can shoot the 3 and he can play defense at a higher level than Hart. Hart is a reluctant shooter ...that hurts at the 2/3 spot in today's NBA.


Knicks can’t take back a player in a sign and trade - but the concept of trading Hart for a true SG and clearing some salary for big man depth makes sense.

Ayo Dysunmo from the Bulls is a guy I have in mind. Better point of attack defender than Hart and a better secondary playmaker than Mikal. He also makes 11.95mm less than Hart - which can be used to bring in center depth - maybe a guy like Nick Richards from Pheonix, Kevin Love from Utah, Clint Capela from Houston, or Isiah Jackson from the Pacers.
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Post#1015 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:03 am

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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:

Utah would include another 3-4M salary to make it work under the 10% rule.

And the players they are getting in conjunction with the picks are fair value for Kessler. Don't mean it automatically happens (esp cuz its Ainge) but the value in the trade is fair.

Utah is well under the salary cap. They do not need to worry about matching salaries.


I am of the understanding that our apron is only able to squeeze one vet and one rookie vet without making any moves. Any trades we have to match salary and the number of players involved or we will end up over the cap trying to fill out just 14 contracts.

My understanding is a little different. The Knicks can't take back more salary than they send out. Utah can.

So shipping Deuce , Dadiet and Kolek for Kessler is fine. You need to fill the two roster spots you lose, but that deal gives you the space to pay vet min contracts rather than Dadiet and Kolek.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1016 » by Knicksfan1992 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:40 am

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ctorres wrote:
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If they made the same money, would you trade Josh Hart for the new version of Quentin Grimes?


100%

Grimes can shoot the 3 and he can play defense at a higher level than Hart. Hart is a reluctant shooter ...that hurts at the 2/3 spot in today's NBA.


I swear some of you guys will only appreciate J Hart when he's gone... We don't deserve nice things lol
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1017 » by The Vo Show » Mon Sep 29, 2025 1:24 pm

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KnixinSix wrote:
ctorres wrote:
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If they made the same money, would you trade Josh Hart for the new version of Quentin Grimes?


100%

Grimes can shoot the 3 and he can play defense at a higher level than Hart. Hart is a reluctant shooter ...that hurts at the 2/3 spot in today's NBA.


I swear some of you guys will only appreciate J Hart when he's gone... We don't deserve nice things lol


No Josh Hart on this team and it falls apart I bet. IMO he might be the true leader of this team. To me, Jalen is like the boss who teaches you how to do things, is nice, but after work you never call him. Josh is the boss who stops by your office, throws a couple of jokes, gives you a task and then gives you a shortcut around that task. You need both guys but without Josh, your work is just that much more blah.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1018 » by KnixinSix » Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:37 pm

Knicksfan1992 wrote:
KnixinSix wrote:
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If they made the same money, would you trade Josh Hart for the new version of Quentin Grimes?


100%

Grimes can shoot the 3 and he can play defense at a higher level than Hart. Hart is a reluctant shooter ...that hurts at the 2/3 spot in today's NBA.


I swear some of you guys will only appreciate J Hart when he's gone... We don't deserve nice things lol


The question posed is would you take current Grimes over Hart. Just because the answer is yes in Mike Browns offense doesn't mean I/we don't think Hart has value. Grimes is a very good fit for this current squad under Mike Brown.
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Re: Trades and Transactions 2025 V 

Post#1019 » by KnixinSix » Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:40 pm

B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:Utah is well under the salary cap. They do not need to worry about matching salaries.


I am of the understanding that our apron is only able to squeeze one vet and one rookie vet without making any moves. Any trades we have to match salary and the number of players involved or we will end up over the cap trying to fill out just 14 contracts.

My understanding is a little different. The Knicks can't take back more salary than they send out. Utah can.

So shipping Deuce , Dadiet and Kolek for Kessler is fine. You need to fill the two roster spots you lose, but that deal gives you the space to pay vet min contracts rather than Dadiet and Kolek.


Knicks also need to take back salary within 10% of what they give out.
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Post#1020 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Sep 29, 2025 7:41 pm

KnixinSix wrote:
B8RcDeMktfxC wrote:
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I am of the understanding that our apron is only able to squeeze one vet and one rookie vet without making any moves. Any trades we have to match salary and the number of players involved or we will end up over the cap trying to fill out just 14 contracts.

My understanding is a little different. The Knicks can't take back more salary than they send out. Utah can.

So shipping Deuce , Dadiet and Kolek for Kessler is fine. You need to fill the two roster spots you lose, but that deal gives you the space to pay vet min contracts rather than Dadiet and Kolek.


Knicks also need to take back salary within 10% of what they give out.

They really do not. The rule for teams between the first and second aprons is that they cannot take back more salary than they send out. There's nothing about having to take back salary in the CBA that I can find. If you have some source, please post it.

Eg, try this summary of the CBA apron rules. https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2025/01/hoops-rumors-glossary-tax-aprons-2.html

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