Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[ChuckDurn]

I can't believe they're going to let this run out the clock on Monday, which is Media Day for the Warriors, what a mess that's going to be. Good luck getting reporters to ask questions that aren't about Kuminga (or by extension if they don't get signed first, Melton, Seth, GP2, and Horford). "Steve, why do you only have 9 rostered players when October and training camp starts this week and preseason games next week?"

There's no real game until October 21 (national game!) so I don't think there is any real urgency to wrap things up before Wednesday. Media Day is not important. Horford, Melton, Payton, and Seth Curry are all but signed on the dotted lines. And Warriors will have a load of training camp invite players ready to go. Fans like to get anxious but the timing has zero effect on the Warriors success this season.

I can’t remember what podcast it was (maybe Zach Lowe’s?), but the was something pointed out which I hadn’t considered - the guys who are waiting to sign contracts (Horford, Melton, GP2, and apparently Seth) probably are going light with their workouts to avoid injuries. While none of them are necessarily big minute guys, there may be some conditioning problems or extra rust from them at the start of the season. So there might be a real effect, albeit small, from that domino effect of Kuminga’s situation not bing resolved.

[Twinkie defense]

the guys who are waiting to sign contracts (Horford, Melton, GP2, and apparently Seth) probably are going light with their workouts to avoid injuries.

Most of those guys will be on vet minimum contracts - they aren't playing for the money.

[Twinkie defense]

He doesn't even need a quicker release. Most teams just back off him and let him gather and line up the shot.

If he wanted to impress, show him hitting like 25 or 50 in a row from beyond the arc.

They tried but he could only hit one in a row

[Twinkie defense]

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Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

[Twinkie defense]

Nick does a good job here (that first sequence is exactly what I think of when I think how JK just doesn't get it):

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Good god this is terrible. And this is after four years playing in the system, same coach, same main teammates

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[EvanZ]

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Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

[statsman]

Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

Such a large gap between the 3/54 with no option and the 3/75 with team option, at least for the first two seasons. 3/54 starts at $16.67M, and 3/75 starts at $23.15M (both assuming 8% raises). Obviously, the 3/75 has less guaranteed money.

We are led to believe the latter is desired by Lacob for trade possibilities, but 3/54 really lowers that "salary slot", as it were.

[northoakland510]

Nick does a good job here (that first sequence is exactly what I think of when I think how JK just doesn't get it):

Watch on YouTube

Good god this is terrible. And this is after four years playing in the system, same coach, same main teammates

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That is what bothers me the most. How have you not learned the system In four years.

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[Onus]

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Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

[Chris Porter's Hair]

For any of these offers, wouldn't the Warriors want a descending contract? It would give them more money up front when looking for a trade partner (easier to fill for an expensive player), and also be more attractive to receiving teams if we don't find a trade partner right away.

[Twinkie defense]

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Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

The acquiring team will have at least 1.5 seasons plus his Bird Rights.

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

Such a large gap between the 3/54 with no option and the 3/75 with team option, at least for the first two seasons. 3/54 starts at $16.67M, and 3/75 starts at $23.15M (both assuming 8% raises). Obviously, the 3/75 has less guaranteed money.

We are led to believe the latter is desired by Lacob for trade possibilities, but 3/54 really lowers that "salary slot", as it were.

Kuminga needs to decide what is most important to him - being UFA ASAP? Maximizing his guaranteed salary? Giving up some level of control in exchange for more guaranteed money than the QO?

Warriors have given him a slate of options, but IDK why they would take the biggest dollar offer and then add player control to that. Kuminga needs to choose - have your cake and eat it too is not an option. Especially for a middling player who is under team control and doesn't have a lot of teams clamoring for his services.

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors have a fully-guaranteed, three year, $54 mil deal ($18 mil per) on the table... if Kuminga is so big on player option Warriors can switch year three from fully guaranteed to a player option.

Such a large gap between the 3/54 with no option and the 3/75 with team option, at least for the first two seasons. 3/54 starts at $16.67M, and 3/75 starts at $23.15M (both assuming 8% raises). Obviously, the 3/75 has less guaranteed money.

We are led to believe the latter is desired by Lacob for trade possibilities, but 3/54 really lowers that "salary slot", as it were.

3/54 does lower the salary slot but it also minimizes the risk of signing Kuminga to a three-year guaranteed deal. Can you imagine having to pay him for three more seasons where he doesn't get it and gets DNP'd, and you have to attach assets to trade him? During Curry's final years?

[Crazy-Canuck]

He doesn't even need a quicker release. Most teams just back off him and let him gather and line up the shot.

If he wanted to impress, show him hitting like 25 or 50 in a row from beyond the arc.

That wasn't the purpose of the video. The video was to show that kuminga fits, fast thinker, play faster,...etc.. not a ball stopper.

Turner put that in the headlines when he released the video.

[Twinkie defense]

That is what bothers me the most. How have you not learned the system In four years.

This is why Kerr loves multi-year college players (Curry, Draymond, Butler, Podz, Post) - they have at least learned how to play basketball and aren't just getting by on athletic skills and bad fundamentals.

[Twinkie defense]

For any of these offers, wouldn't the Warriors want a descending contract? It would give them more money up front when looking for a trade partner (easier to fill for an expensive player), and also be more attractive to receiving teams if we don't find a trade partner right away.

They're more worried about their cap this season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

They want control.

[EvanZ]

For any of these offers, wouldn't the Warriors want a descending contract? It would give them more money up front when looking for a trade partner (easier to fill for an expensive player), and also be more attractive to receiving teams if we don't find a trade partner right away.

They are trying to stay under the apron which only gives them so much wiggle room this season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Assuming melton, Seth, horford, and gp2 are signed.

What's the most kuminga can get paid this year for the team to stay under the 1st apron.

It would help narrow down who we can and can't target in sign and trade deals now or at the trade deadline.