Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Twinkie defense]

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

They want control.

Then take the QO.

[HiRez]

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

They want control.

Then take the QO.

They want money AND security AND control. If I'm Lacob I'm saying we can accommodate one of those, happy to work with you on that, but you're going to have to give up something to get the others. Tell us what your priority is. It feels like JK's camp doesn't want to negotiate at all.

[Twinkie defense]

Assuming melton, Seth, horford, and gp2 are signed.

What's the most kuminga can get paid this year for the team to stay under the 1st apron.

It sounds help make down who we can and can't target in sign and trade deals now or at the trade deadline.

I probably shouldn't be trying to answer a cap related question... but that being said, my understanding is if the Warriors sign Kuminga to a deal over the QO they are going to be over the first apron and will use the taxpayer MLE to sign Horford (and vet mins for the rest).

The only thing that really changes the Warriors cap situation appreciably is if Kuminga signs the QO, in which case they won't even be a taxpayer (which avoids repeater taxes).

The main thing they are worried about is signing Horford to a portion of the non-taxpayer MLE which would hard cap them at the first apron and prevent them from matching a RFA offer to Kuminga from another team - that and wanting to use Kuminga's salary as filler in a trade.

Xrdta, statsman etc. please correct me if I've gotten this wrong!

[Twinkie defense]

They want control.

Then take the QO.

They want money AND security AND control. If I'm Lacob I'm saying we can accommodate one of those, happy to work with you on that, but you're going to have to give up something to get the others. Tell us what your priority is. It feels like JK's camp doesn't want to negotiate at all.

And I wanna date Scarlett Johansson but here we are...

[azwfan]

They want control.

Then take the QO.

They want money AND security AND control. If I'm Lacob I'm saying we can accommodate one of those, happy to work with you on that, but you're going to have to give up something to get the others. Tell us what your priority is. It feels like JK's camp doesn't want to negotiate at all.

Can you tell us what the most up to date offers are each way? These darn reporters only know whats being leaked to them. Its nice to have someone posting here who has intimate knowledge of negotiations (or lack there of on jk side)!

[Crazy-Canuck]

Assuming melton, Seth, horford, and gp2 are signed.

What's the most kuminga can get paid this year for the team to stay under the 1st apron.

It sounds help make down who we can and can't target in sign and trade deals now or at the trade deadline.

I probably shouldn't be trying to answer a cap related question... but that being said, my understanding is if the Warriors sign Kuminga to a deal over the QO they are going to be over the first apron and will use the taxpayer MLE to sign Horford (and vet mins for the rest).

The only thing that really changes the Warriors cap situation appreciably is if Kuminga signs the QO, in which case they won't even be a taxpayer (which avoids repeater taxes).

The main thing they are worried about is signing Horford to a portion of the non-taxpayer MLE which would hard cap them at the first apron and prevent them from matching a RFA offer to Kuminga from another team - that and wanting to use Kuminga's salary as filler in a trade.

Xrdta, statsman etc. please correct me if I've gotten this wrong!

Im not talking about a qo (if that happens, everyone is screwed).

Im talking about the most we can give him on an extention.

25M? BYC 12.5m player now or a 25M at the deadline.

20M?...

[statsman]

The main thing they are worried about is signing Horford to a portion of the non-taxpayer MLE which would hard cap them at the first apron and prevent them from matching a RFA offer to Kuminga from another team - that and wanting to use Kuminga's salary as filler in a trade.

Xrdta, statsman etc. please correct me if I've gotten this wrong!

I don't think there are any plans to sign Horford to more than the taxpayer MLE. But using the taxpayer MLE hard caps a team at the 2nd apron.

If the Warriors sign Horford to the full taxpayer MLE, which I believe is the plan, plus add Melton, Seth, and GP2 via vet minimums, the Warriors can pay Kuminga $24M for this season, which leaves them ~$744K below the 2nd apron.

That's cutting it quite close. I would say anything above $23M for this season makes the Warriors sweat a bit, especially if any of the vet minimums go down with a season-ending injury and the Warriors would like to sign another vet minimum.

The 3/75 offer starts at $23.15M. That is really pushing it. My guess is if the Warriors leave that offer on the table and Kuminga signs it, one of those vet minimums is likely not going to be signed. That or TDJ will be waived and replaced by Richard on the rookie minimum, which buys the Warriors a bit over $1M of additional space below the 2nd apron. They could waive Gui instead, but he is already guaranteed $225k as of yesterday.

If Kuminga were to get a surprise RFA offer sheet that started over $24M, my guess is the Warriors would need to trade Hield or Moody for less salary to stay under a 2nd apron hard cap. Anything over $24.7M, and the Warriors would need to make such a trade within 48 hours of Kuminga signing the offer sheet. Seems like a long shot, but I guess the Warriors are protecting themselves from the possibility.

[watch1958]

I wonder how many times Turner has said JK is ready to take the qualifying offer?

[Romulus]

Our national nightmare is almost over. Free at last; free at last; thank God, we're free at last.

[Onus]

I hadn't thought of that, but it does make you wonder why isn't that being offered. I think it just further goes to the PO being essentially a nuclear option for trading teams because he can bolt.

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

The most years with the most guaranteed money

[ChuckDurn]

Our national nightmare is almost over. Free at last; free at last; thank God, we're free at last.

Free tacos at Taco Bell?

[HiRez]

Waiting for the video of Kuminga hovering the pen over the QO "OK, I'm gonna do it, I really am. Don't test me, I mean it this time. Here we go...unless...Joe has something to say..."

Seriously, I still doubt he signs the QO because it's not good for anyone. I put a contract at 75% and QO at 25%. But stubborn people don't always do the sensible thing so who knows.

[bay2hk]

Assuming melton, Seth, horford, and gp2 are signed.

What's the most kuminga can get paid this year for the team to stay under the 1st apron.

It sounds help make down who we can and can't target in sign and trade deals now or at the trade deadline.

I probably shouldn't be trying to answer a cap related question... but that being said, my understanding is if the Warriors sign Kuminga to a deal over the QO they are going to be over the first apron and will use the taxpayer MLE to sign Horford (and vet mins for the rest).

The only thing that really changes the Warriors cap situation appreciably is if Kuminga signs the QO, in which case they won't even be a taxpayer (which avoids repeater taxes).

The main thing they are worried about is signing Horford to a portion of the non-taxpayer MLE which would hard cap them at the first apron and prevent them from matching a RFA offer to Kuminga from another team - that and wanting to use Kuminga's salary as filler in a trade.

Xrdta, statsman etc. please correct me if I've gotten this wrong!

Im not talking about a qo (if that happens, everyone is screwed).

Im talking about the most we can give him on an extention.

25M? BYC 12.5m player now or a 25M at the deadline.

20M?...

JK is screwed. He won’t see more than the NTMLE next offseason. Warriors will be fine.

[bay2hk]

Nick does a good job here (that first sequence is exactly what I think of when I think how JK just doesn't get it):

Watch on YouTube

Good god this is terrible. And this is after four years playing in the system, same coach, same main teammates

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That is what bothers me the most. How have you not learned the system In four years.

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Let’s just call out the obvious. JK is wiseman level of bbiq.

[EvanZ]

Good god this is terrible. And this is after four years playing in the system, same coach, same main teammates

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That is what bothers me the most. How have you not learned the system In four years.

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Let’s just call out the obvious. JK is wiseman level of bbiq.

In fairness I think Wiseman is basically Javale McGee levels of IQ. I think JK is below average but not as generationally bad as Wiseman lol. It’s crazy we drafted him.

[watch1958]

Action really heating up. Gonna have a resolution any second. Right?

[Twinkie defense]

Because no one actually believes it’s about the PO right?

Then what's it about? Kuminga's agent keeps asking for a player option.

The most years with the most guaranteed money

The most years with the most guaranteed money would be the three-year, $54 mil ($18 mil per) offer with no team option.

[statsman]

Action really heating up. Gonna have a resolution any second. Right?

If there is, they are really doing a good job of keeping it secret.

[DonaldSanders]

Kuminga needs to decide what is most important to him - being UFA ASAP? Maximizing his guaranteed salary? Giving up some level of control in exchange for more guaranteed money than the QO?

I think he already knows and it just using the hoopla/leverage to maximize his money. I would be shocked if he signs the QO -- if he does, it is a massive blunder for him and Turner. See Turner would be taking a big risk here too, if JK isn't on a long term contract Turner is taking 2 risks:

1) That everything goes well for JK and he gets a bigger contract next year
2) That JK keeps him as his agent. Let's say JK gets injured or the FA market isn't what Turner made it out to be, and Turner not only might miss out on a bigger commission, but could get dropped as the agent.

I think Turner will push for JK to sign but will wait till the last minute.

[Nvnervous45]

Kuminga has never been about winning in a team concept. Look at his career path . He forsook college basketball for the g league ignite so he could pad his personal stats for the nba.
Every summer since he's put out videos where he shows off the same skill set, the ability to score 1 on 1 in an iso set and play one on 1 defense.
He's hardly improved his passing, team defense, or rebounding.
I think he'll be really disappointed next off-season when he realizes teams don't value him as much as he does himself.