how to solve Houston's problem (FVV)

[zimpy27]

Gabe Vincent for Adams?

Or

Gabe Vincent for DFS?


Lakers could send an SRP

[Diop]

GSW have Seth Curry and Melton waiting for Kuminga to be resolved before they can be signed.

Let them know the starting spot is available.

[giberish]

GSW have Seth Curry and Melton waiting for Kuminga to be resolved before they can be signed.

Let them know the starting spot is available.

GS should hare really signed the rest of their roster already. There's no JK scenario that would get in the way of that (or signing the other guys wouldn't get in the way of any JK scenario).

Of course Houston doesn't have the room to sign anyone at this point. They really boxed themselves in to a situation with very little flexibility (why spend that much on Okogie as a 3rd/4th SF (he doesn't have NBA guard skills)? Why spend that much on a 3rd string C?

[MoreyWins]

I don't think anyone knows exactly what problems Fred's injury will create until we actually see the Rockets play for two months. He wasn't exactly lighting it up last season. I gave him a C+ regular season grade in the Post Mortem thread. The best thing about him was that the Rockets didn't do great in his absence, granted the Rockets were missing multiple starters during that time. He shot poorly, had real limitations as a finisher, and his shot selection was filled with a lot of pull up threes. Too many if I'm honest. That's probably why he's so good at ball security because he rarely drives and would rather toss grenades from 30 feet.

[Scoot McGroot]

I assume they were planning on that 28 LAC 1st being pretty valuable? I think, depending on anyone's view of that completely unprotected 1st, their view on this trade idea probably shifts from "seems short" to "pretty solid"?

But I also don't know what hole Grimes is supposed to solve for Houston?

Admittedly, did not see the 1st round pick, which makes it less terrible, but still not something we are doing.

Bottom line, Rockets are buyers with their picks, to add to their exciting young core. This is selling under the guise of Roster balance which ultimately makes us worse.

And kudos to you on the callout of Houston not actually getting an actual ball handler. This seems to be a trend, where we keep seeing proposals where some random SG like Monk or Grimes gets routed to us, or a really bad PG, worse than what we already have.

I think Godaddy pointed it out too? I would mostly agree with you, but Monk is absolutely a guy that could fill your ball handling hole. Grimes, no, but Monk is enough of a creator and passer to play PG minutes. Pretty similar to FVV in terms of being an undersized SG that can distribute as a PG?

[Godaddycurse]

Gabe Vincent for Adams?

Or

Gabe Vincent for DFS?


Lakers could send an SRP

Both cost too much for lakers. Need to send Knecht and involve a 3rd team too since both teams are so close to apron

[Godaddycurse]

I kind of like a pippen jr for Eason based deal. Can debate who owes more. Pippen jr has 3 cheap years remaining while eason is the more valued archtype. Both could use the change of scenery to get starter minutes

[LarsV8]

Not trading Eason.

[esvl]

I kind of like a pippen jr for Eason based deal. Can debate who owes more. Pippen jr has 3 cheap years remaining while eason is the more valued archtype. Both could use the change of scenery to get starter minutes

Eason is too much. Some good quality draft assets/benefits should suffice from the Memphis perspective.

[nolian]

I kind of like a pippen jr for Eason based deal. Can debate who owes more. Pippen jr has 3 cheap years remaining while eason is the more valued archtype. Both could use the change of scenery to get starter minutes

i think this is a base for a good idea

Memphis need a big man
(Edey, JJJ, Clarke start the season with some injury)
i dont' know how a trade can work, because of different salaries
but i think that the teams can work for a trade based on Pippen-Eason, and they can complete that base ad find a win-win situation

that will put Houston in a point of no-urgency for a big trade, they would see the team for two months and prepare an eventual bigger trade after 15december

[esvl]

I kind of like a pippen jr for Eason based deal. Can debate who owes more. Pippen jr has 3 cheap years remaining while eason is the more valued archtype. Both could use the change of scenery to get starter minutes

i think this is a base for a good idea

Memphis need a big man
(Edey, JJJ, Clarke start the season with some injury)
i dont' know how a trade can work, because of different salaries
but i think that the teams can work for a trade based on Pippen-Eason, and they can complete that base ad find a win-win situation

that will put Houston in a point of no-urgency for a big trade, they would see the team for two months and prepare an eventual bigger trade after 15december

The easiest solution in my view is to send Tate + swap rights of 29 for Pippen. Done.

[nolian]

The easiest solution in my view is to send Tate + swap rights of 29 for Pippen. Done.

i know, this is the easyest trade by number of cap

but Tate is not in the same level of Pippen

Grizzlies doesn't trade Pipper for Tate even if Houston add a FRP (not swap)

because Pippen became a solid part of rotation

[esvl]

The easiest solution in my view is to send Tate + swap rights of 29 for Pippen. Done.

i know, this is the easyest trade by number of cap

but Tate is not in the same level of Pippen

Grizzlies doesn't trade Pipper for Tate even if Houston add a FRP (not swap)

because Pippen became a solid part of rotation

I was referring to the best of DAL/PHX/HOU 2029 swap rights

[LarsV8]

Sure, but it would be protected top 12 or so.

[esvl]

Sure, but it would be protected top 12 or so.

It should be then a pick itself, not swap rights

[Wolveswin]

To Heat: KD/2x Hornets Filler

To Hornets: Sheppard/Ware/Rozier/Heat 1st

To Rockets: Melo Ball/Wiggins

Then Rockets wait for trade deadline, all-in trade for upgrade at SG or SF. Would Suns want all their 1sts back plus for Booker?

[Xman]

Rockets:
C - Sengun, Adams, Capela
- set at center with depth

PF - Jabari, DFS, Amen, DFS, Durant
SF - Durant, Eason, Amen, DFS
- more than enough forwards

Guards - Reed, Amen
- needs help

Backups - JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Okogie, CamMatthews, Davison, 2 other minimum guys
- These guys are solid cheap backups that are really not needed (except at guard possibly).

What assets I might offer:
any of the backups above
2nd best of firsts in 2027 and/or 2029. I think the picks will be the main thing shipped if a deal is done. While the team could spare Reed or Tari, probably not getting back anything matching their value to the Rockets.

So, while Houston needs guards, it does not have to be a great playmaker - but shooting is key. KD and Amen will be two main ball handlers when they are in the game. So, if Reed has gotten his shooting in line (was supposed to be great shooter), then no problems.

Dream Targets: Melo, Booker, etc. - I just do not think Houston makes such a big move which would require those 2027&29 firsts and probably young talent.

Interesting Old Guys: Jrue $32.4, CJ $30.6, etc. : Most of these guys just cost too much and would cripple the team.

Guys other teams need to keep: DWhite, Nembhard, etc.: Good players but are key to their teams (like many consider Taro for Houston).

More Realistic Targets:
Coby White CHI $12.9 - Expiring and would be good filler. Solid cheap all around guard.
Dillon Brooks PHX $22.1 - matches FVV salary and would be strong to bring him back. Unlikely to happen though.
Hield GS $9.2 - His shooting would be great off of KD.

My December 15 trade:
PHX gets FVV, 2027 2nd best of Hou/BRK/PHX, 2029 second best of HOU/DAL/PHX.
CHI gets three seconds from Phoenix and expiring (some combo of JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Davison, Okogie, etc.).
GS gets 2027 worst of Minn/Uta/CLE and expiring (some combo of JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Davison, Okogie, etc.).
HOU gets Coby (note that if Reed is solid then I do not thin they need Coby), Brooks (hated to see him go), Hield (the shooting is needed unless either Reed or Jabari become the three point ace they were supposed to be).

Guard: Brooks, Amen, Reed, Coby, Hield
Forward: KD, Jabari, Tari, DFS
Center: Sengun, Adams, Capela

Anyway, I would target Hield right now and Brooks on December 15th. I would have to see how Reed looks in practice but might pull the trigger quickly if Reed has not improved (and Coby can be had cheap enough: if done early then might need to be salary filler and 2027 second best of hou/phx/brk for Coby and some combo of 2nds or that POR top 14 protected first.

[Darren]

KD for LBJ.

[DB23]

Rockets:
C - Sengun, Adams, Capela
- set at center with depth

PF - Jabari, DFS, Amen, DFS, Durant
SF - Durant, Eason, Amen, DFS
- more than enough forwards

Guards - Reed, Amen
- needs help

Backups - JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Okogie, CamMatthews, Davison, 2 other minimum guys
- These guys are solid cheap backups that are really not needed (except at guard possibly).

What assets I might offer:
any of the backups above
2nd best of firsts in 2027 and/or 2029. I think the picks will be the main thing shipped if a deal is done. While the team could spare Reed or Tari, probably not getting back anything matching their value to the Rockets.

So, while Houston needs guards, it does not have to be a great playmaker - but shooting is key. KD and Amen will be two main ball handlers when they are in the game. So, if Reed has gotten his shooting in line (was supposed to be great shooter), then no problems.

Dream Targets: Melo, Booker, etc. - I just do not think Houston makes such a big move which would require those 2027&29 firsts and probably young talent.

Interesting Old Guys: Jrue $32.4, CJ $30.6, etc. : Most of these guys just cost too much and would cripple the team.

Guys other teams need to keep: DWhite, Nembhard, etc.: Good players but are key to their teams (like many consider Taro for Houston).

More Realistic Targets:
Coby White CHI $12.9 - Expiring and would be good filler. Solid cheap all around guard.
Dillon Brooks PHX $22.1 - matches FVV salary and would be strong to bring him back. Unlikely to happen though.
Hield GS $9.2 - His shooting would be great off of KD.

My December 15 trade:
PHX gets FVV, 2027 2nd best of Hou/BRK/PHX, 2029 second best of HOU/DAL/PHX.
CHI gets three seconds from Phoenix and expiring (some combo of JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Davison, Okogie, etc.).
GS gets 2027 worst of Minn/Uta/CLE and expiring (some combo of JeffGreen, Tate, Holiday, Davison, Okogie, etc.).
HOU gets Coby (note that if Reed is solid then I do not thin they need Coby), Brooks (hated to see him go), Hield (the shooting is needed unless either Reed or Jabari become the three point ace they were supposed to be).

Guard: Brooks, Amen, Reed, Coby, Hield
Forward: KD, Jabari, Tari, DFS
Center: Sengun, Adams, Capela

Anyway, I would target Hield right now and Brooks on December 15th. I would have to see how Reed looks in practice but might pull the trigger quickly if Reed has not improved (and Coby can be had cheap enough: if done early then might need to be salary filler and 2027 second best of hou/phx/brk for Coby and some combo of 2nds or that POR top 14 protected first.

Why would the warriors do that deal?

[jbk1234]

The Rockets should have a pretty good sense of whether Reed is up for starting before the regular season begins. If they think he is, or even might be, throwing him out there is their best option. If it's clear he's not before the last preseason game (and I have concerns about his handle), then they can trade a lesser first and filler for a place holder. The fact that White is expiring shouldn't be viewed as a deal breaker IMO. In the long run, you're going to want a better option and that option won't be coming via F.A. given their cap situation.