Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[HiRez]

Any of the Kuminga apologists still think that he and Aaron Turner negotiated the off-season "brilliantly?" The Dubs have called their bluff at every turn and are now ready to move on without Kuminga altogether.

https://bluemanhoop.com/warriors-put-the-pressure-on-jonathan-kuminga-with-latest-blockbuster-move

Blockbuster? That's funny, since nothing has changed. Horford's agent (probably tired of answering questions) told ESPN what everyone knew--Horford is committed to the Warriors. Nothing will be signed until Kuminga is resolved.

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Apparently Horford signed and JK is still unresolved? To me that sounds like they're giving up on Kuminga negotiations or it's a warning shot, but I don't know all the angles. How does this contract affect what they could offer Kuminga now?

[xdrta+]

Any of the Kuminga apologists still think that he and Aaron Turner negotiated the off-season "brilliantly?" The Dubs have called their bluff at every turn and are now ready to move on without Kuminga altogether.

https://bluemanhoop.com/warriors-put-the-pressure-on-jonathan-kuminga-with-latest-blockbuster-move

Blockbuster? That's funny, since nothing has changed. Horford's agent (probably tired of answering questions) told ESPN what everyone knew--Horford is committed to the Warriors. Nothing will be signed until Kuminga is resolved.

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Apparently Horford signed and JK is still unresolved? To me that sounds like they're giving up on Kuminga negotiations or it's a warning shot, but I don't know all the angles. How does this contract affect what they could offer Kuminga now?

Where does it say Horford signed? All I've seen is that his agent told ESPN that Horford is committed to GS and will sign when JK is settled.

EDIT: from Shams' story:

Horford verbally committed to the Warriors on Sunday, sources said. The sides are working through the final financial terms, with a signing in the coming days after the final decision from restricted free agent Jonathan Kuminga, a source said.

[HiRez]

Blockbuster? That's funny, since nothing has changed. Horford's agent (probably tired of answering questions) told ESPN what everyone knew--Horford is committed to the Warriors. Nothing will be signed until Kuminga is resolved.

Read on Twitter

Apparently Horford signed and JK is still unresolved? To me that sounds like they're giving up on Kuminga negotiations or it's a warning shot, but I don't know all the angles. How does this contract affect what they could offer Kuminga now?

Where does it say Horford signed? All I've seen is that his agent told ESPN that Horford is committed to GS and will sign when JK is settled.

I dunno, in Siegel's first tweet, he says "officially signing" which to me sounds like they put pen to paper, but then in the second one he says "won't be officially signed" so I'm totally confused, is it signed or not? If it is "officially" signed, doesn't that have implications for other signings including Kuminga? Or are they saying he signed it but it's not....submitted or whatever...and could be rescinded depending on what else happens? If so, what's the point of signing it now?

[marthafokker]

Hartford's agent got tired of the same question and answered that he is going to the Dubs when JK negotiations are done with (some way?).

[EvanZ]

So nothing has changed.

[BayAreaDub]

It’s media day tomorrow right? Think that’s why these officially unofficial deals were announced

[Old_Blue]

So, if October 1 comes and goes and this schmo has yet to sign, what are his options then? Perusing the internet, it's a little unclear what then will be his state of limbo.

[Twinkie defense]

So, if October 1 comes and goes and this schmo has yet to sign, what are his options then? Perusing the internet, it's a little unclear what then will be his state of limbo.

In that case Kuminga is still a restricted free agent, but he no longer has the qualifying offer to fall back on.

[statsman]

So, if October 1 comes and goes and this schmo has yet to sign, what are his options then? Perusing the internet, it's a little unclear what then will be his state of limbo.

In that case Kuminga is still a restricted free agent, but he no longer has the qualifying offer to fall back on.

Yep, and they have through October 19th, three weeks from today, to do a S&T. Once the "regular" season starts, which is October 20th this year, free agent S&Ts cannot be done.

[Twinkie defense]

So, if October 1 comes and goes and this schmo has yet to sign, what are his options then? Perusing the internet, it's a little unclear what then will be his state of limbo.

In that case Kuminga is still a restricted free agent, but he no longer has the qualifying offer to fall back on.

Yep, and they have through October 19th, three weeks from today, to do a S&T. Once the "regular" season starts, which is October 20th this year, free agent S&Ts cannot be done.

Warriors would rather sign him outright rather than sign and trade him anyway, so letting October 1 pass without a contract hurts Kuminga in numerous ways.

[Larry Ellison]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

[marthafokker]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

If JK has handshake deal with Sacto, does he really care?

[Old_Blue]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

Absent a last minute signing, Kuminga's weak negotiating position entering next season is already set in stone. His antics this offseason have tagged him with the label of a disgruntled, entitled Gen Z employee. Better to fill the roster spot with an actual professional.

[CS707]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

If JK has handshake deal with Sacto, does he really care?

He will if he has a s**t season and Sacramento says no thanks.

[whatisacenter]

I really thought we would get a resolution this weekend with media day being tomorrow....tick tock tick tock

What made you think that, lol

With the deadline on Wednesday and media day tomorrow I thought maybe the Warriors' FO might tell JK's camp this is it when it came to contract offers and that JK would then choose between that and the QO.

[Twinkie defense]

The main thing they are worried about is signing Horford to a portion of the non-taxpayer MLE which would hard cap them at the first apron and prevent them from matching a RFA offer to Kuminga from another team - that and wanting to use Kuminga's salary as filler in a trade.

Xrdta, statsman etc. please correct me if I've gotten this wrong!

I don't think there are any plans to sign Horford to more than the taxpayer MLE. But using the taxpayer MLE hard caps a team at the 2nd apron.

Warriors are currently $17.4 mil under the tax threshold. Could they use the Taxpayer MLE on Horford while under the tax threshold?

A team can use Taxpayer MLE if the team’s Apron Team Salary immediately following their use of the TMLE is above the First Apron.

Warriors are currently $25,012,673 under the first apron so I don't see how they could use the taxpayer MLE without first signing Kuminga. And if they instead use some portion (say $5,685,000) of the non-taxpayer MLE they are hard-capped at the first apron and have only $19,327,673 left to pay Kuminga, and that is before signing Melton, GPII, and Seth Curry (which count against the cap at $2,545,386 each).

So if Kuminga doesn't sign anything by October 1 that does sort of bollocks up the Warriors plans to fill out their roster.

If Kuminga is a holdout maybe Warriors are best off justing signing their guys and telling Kuminga, sorry, we only have $11 mil left for you now.

Maybe that is their plan - reduce the Warriors' ability to offer Kuminga a competitive contract so another team can swoop in and outbid them.

No team has even $11 mil in cap space though, and Warriors could still clear space to match an offer if they needed to.

[Old_Blue]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

If JK has handshake deal with Sacto, does he really care?

With what cap space would the Kings sign Kuminga? The Kings already have $162 million committed for 2026-2027 and that doesn't count Keegan Murray's extension.

[Twinkie defense]

If Kuminga takes the 2+1 deal, the team is incentivized to play him to showcase him for trade. If he takes the QO, he might ride the bench and enter the 2026 offseason in a weak negotiating position.

If JK has handshake deal with Sacto, does he really care?

Are Kings gonna watch Kuminga struggle for a year and then clear enough salary to get $20 mil under the cap just so they can sign him to a multi-year deal? Seems like a fantasy scenario.

[marthafokker]

I don't think there are any plans to sign Horford to more than the taxpayer MLE. But using the taxpayer MLE hard caps a team at the 2nd apron.

Warriors are currently $17.4 mil under the tax threshold. Could they use the Taxpayer MLE on Horford while under the tax threshold?

A team can use Taxpayer MLE if the team’s Apron Team Salary immediately following their use of the TMLE is above the First Apron.

Warriors are currently $25,012,673 under the first apron so I don't see how they could use the taxpayer MLE without first signing Kuminga. And if they instead use some portion (say $5,685,000) of the non-taxpayer MLE they are hard-capped at the first apron and have only $19,327,673 left to pay Kuminga, and that is before signing Melton, GPII, and Seth Curry (which count against the cap at $2,545,386 each).

So if Kuminga doesn't sign anything by October 1 that does sort of bollocks up the Warriors plans to fill out their roster.

If Kuminga is a holdout maybe Warriors are best off justing signing their guys and telling Kuminga, sorry, we only have $11 mil left for you now.

Maybe that is their plan - reduce the Warriors' ability to offer Kuminga a competitive contract so another team can swoop in and outbid them.

No team has even $11 mil in cap space though, and Warriors could still clear space to match an offer if they needed to.

Since both sides playing hardball, best for JK to just decide on 10/1. I can see management offer something like $5 mil or F off. Then JK will still not be free agent next year if he doesn't sign for whatever sh#t management offer him post 10/1.

[Old_Blue]

Since both sides playing hardball, best for JK to just decide on 10/1. I can see management offer something like $5 mil or F off. Then JK will still not be free agent next year if he doesn't sign for whatever sh#t management offer him post 10/1.

One side is playing hardball. The other is just pissing away his future earnings potential as well as his reputation around the League.