Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[wco81]

Grimes asked the 76ers to extend the Oct 1 deadline for the QO and they denied the request.

[statsman]

Grimes asked the 76ers to extend the Oct 1 deadline for the QO and they denied the request.

I am not sure where that one is headed, but it seems like Grimes may end up taking the QO. If he does, that would be yet another free agent (along with Cam Thomas) for the 2026 offseason beyond those already scheduled to be free agents next year.

For that reason, I want Kuminga to sign the QO.

[Onus]

Saw somewhere that the most we can offer jk now is 3/71? If we want to sign Seth.

[statsman]

Saw somewhere that the most we can offer jk now is 3/71? If we want to sign Seth.

I think they can still offer the 3/75 deal, but the Warriors would be fighting the 2nd apron rather closely.

I hope they've pulled that deal. I hate it.

[Onus]

Saw somewhere that the most we can offer jk now is 3/71? If we want to sign Seth.

I think they can still offer the 3/75 deal, but the Warriors would be fighting the 2nd apron rather closely.

I hope they've pulled that deal. I hate it.

Really it’s just a 2/48 deal. There’s no way they pick up that option when their books are completely clear.

[Twinkie defense]

I don’t think the Warriors are playing hardball, I think they’ve been very generous, offering more money than any other team, and giving him multiple offer constructions to choose from. Kuminga wants to sign a fat, long-term deal AND choose his destination, but the CBA and the market have spoken and he’s not getting that.

[statsman]

Saw somewhere that the most we can offer jk now is 3/71? If we want to sign Seth.

I think they can still offer the 3/75 deal, but the Warriors would be fighting the 2nd apron rather closely.

I hope they've pulled that deal. I hate it.

Really it’s just a 2/48 deal. There’s no way they pick up that option when their books are completely clear.

I know, and I still hate it. Can't believe they would pay him over $23M for this season. Ugh.

BTW, if Kuminga signs the 3/75, 2/45, or the 3/54, the Warriors will be prohibited from signing a waived player to the vet minimum who was making more than the NT MLE ($14.104M). If he signs the QO, they can sign any waived player to the vet minimum.

[watch1958]

Is it time to trade Podz? If they are hell bent on keeping caproom for the summer of 2027, what will they offer Podz at the end of this season? 1+1? Handshake deal?

[Old_Blue]

Is it time to trade Podz? If they are hell bent on keeping caproom for the summer of 2027, what will they offer Podz at the end of this season? 1+1? Handshake deal?

The Dubs only have Moody's $13.4 million committed for 2027-2028 and the 1st cap apron that season is $220 million. It'll be fine.

[xdrta+]

Warriors are currently $25,012,673 under the first apron

Of course, how it ends up depends on what happens with Kuminga, but at the moment they are 17,035,843 under the 1st Apron, since his QO counts against apron salary.

[Old_Blue]

BTW, if Kuminga signs the 3/75, 2/45, or the 3/54, the Warriors will be prohibited from signing a waived player to the vet minimum who was making more than the NT MLE ($14.104M). If he signs the QO, they can sign any waived player to the vet minimum.

The best possible outcome is that Kuminga signs the QO. Get him cheap for this season. Then, next offseason presents a rough game of financial musical chairs where the Dubs very likely would again be able to make him the best offer - if, that is, they even still want him.

[AirP.]

I do wonder if GS gave Kuminga and his agent a deadline before October 1st for some (possibly all) of those deals outside of the QO.

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[statsman]

This is significant. Richard occupying the 15th spot would mean that the 3yr/$75M offer to Kuminga is no longer on the table.

Are they sure about this? By my numbers, they would have $323K space below the 2nd apron.

That's really cutting it close, but still would allow the 3/75. Just dropping it a touch to 3/72 would give the Warriors $1.25M below the 2nd apron hard cap.

[Twinkie defense]

Warriors are currently $25,012,673 under the first apron

Of course, how it ends up depends on what happens with Kuminga, but at the moment they are 17,035,843 under the 1st Apron, since his QO counts against apron salary.

I got that number from Spotrac, but even still, that is too much of a gap to use the taxpayer MLE without first signing Kuminga?

[Twinkie defense]

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Very interesting. This would seem to effect the amount the Warriors can offer Kuminga? Are they starting to move on without him?

If he can play, of course having rotation players locked up long-term on small salaries is a huge advantage in the 1st and 2nd apron era.

Also interesting though that with only two years guaranteed, Warriors are keeping their books very clean for a potential post-Steph Curry era.

[wco81]

Is it time to trade Podz? If they are hell bent on keeping caproom for the summer of 2027, what will they offer Podz at the end of this season? 1+1? Handshake deal?

The Dubs only have Moody's $13.4 million committed for 2027-2028 and the 1st cap apron that season is $220 million. It'll be fine.

Whom do they think they would sign in the summer of 2027?

So Curry's current contract would be off the books? Curry, Butler and Draymond?

Heard the Lakers are also angling to have max cap space that summer as well but they have Luka to lure another max contract star.

If the Warriors no longer have Curry under contract and he's not playing at all-NBA level by then, why would a star sign with the Warriors?

[statsman]

Very interesting. This would seem to effect the amount the Warriors can offer Kuminga? Are they starting to move on without him?

If he can play, of course having rotation players locked up long-term on small salaries is a huge advantage in the 1st and 2nd apron era.

Also interesting though that with only two years guaranteed, Warriors are keeping their books very clean for a potential post-Steph Curry era.

Minimum salary players signed to four year deals tend to have only the first two seasons guaranteed. I think if more than two seasons are guaranteed, the first two seasons count as the vet minimum against the aprons and the luxury tax instead of their lower rookie minimum salary scale. It's a $1M difference for this season.

Having Richard signed allows the Warriors to meet the 14 player requirement to start the season, assuming Kuminga remains unsigned. They can have less than 14 players, but teams are only allowed 30 (?) days for the entire season to be below 14 players signed to the main roster. This was something MDJ had to deal with after the Butler trade last season.

[xdrta+]

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Very interesting. This would seem to effect the amount the Warriors can offer Kuminga? Are they starting to move on without him?

If he can play, of course having rotation players locked up long-term on small salaries is a huge advantage in the 1st and 2nd apron era.

Also interesting though that with only two years guaranteed, Warriors are keeping their books very clean for a potential post-Steph Curry era.

They would use the 4 yr 2nd round exception for Richard, which can pay the first year up to the two year vet minimum. The 4th year is a team option. This is what TJD signed as a 2nd round pick.

[Twinkie defense]

Alex Toohey signed to a two-way deal.

[statsman]

They would use the 4 yr 2nd round exception for Richard, which can pay the first year up to the two year vet minimum. The 4th year is a team option. This is what TJD signed as a 2nd round pick.

Also, TJD's third year (this season) is not guaranteed until 1/10/26. And if Richard gets a similar contract to TJD's, the first season will count as the rookie minimum salary and not the two year vet minimum against the aprons and the luxury tax. At least that's how it worked for TJD.