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[spree8]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

[spree2kawhi]

Not very exciting but:

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Honestly, in that first clip, they really don’t look like a team to beat

[Indomitable]

Ill build a statue of nodope for kamikazing himself to take out melo.

The statue you make of nodope

That is still horrific

[WaltFrazier]

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All these Brogdon quotes sound so good, just hope he stays healthy

[thebuzzardman]

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All these Brogdon quotes sound so good, just hope he stays healthy

He won't.
Neither will Mitch.

That's why the Knicks have Clarkson, Yabu, Huk and Deuce.

The hope is both Mitch and Brogdon will be healthy for the playoffs and in game shape. Will it happen? 50/50 chance.

[Wildcat]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team

Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2

Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3

Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0

Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7

The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2

Hart Starting:

Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3

Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

[GONYK]

It might be worth considering that Brogdon's injuries were because he was on sh*tty teams.

As a vet, he might have been making business decisions.

[Wildcat]

It might be worth considering that Brogdon's injuries were because he was on sh*tty teams.

As a vet, he might have been making business decisions.

Yeah. It's hard to look at his last couple of seasons and debate whether it was 100% injuries or 100% preservation. Because if you're in a tanking situation, what's the point of suiting up when you're on the mend.

[spree8]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

[stuporman]

Am I the only one who's already tired of hearing Brown talk?

[Wildcat]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

Because Brown and Thibs are different coaches with different systems which means players will be in different positions on the floor on both ends, even though we're focused on offense right now. Thibs was too stubborn to adjust the way we wanted him to adjust. His rotations were set, his play plan was set. If the other team knew how to pick apart his game plan, he more often than not doubled downed on it.

Before Brogdon, I was dead set on Mitch/KAT/OG/Mikal/JB. Now with him -- if he sticks, we'll see next week -- I'm leaning more towards Mitch off the bench and give Deuce a try.

[god shammgod]

Am I the only one who's already tired of hearing Brown talk?

Some coaches sound like miserable bastards who just talk straight and some sound like a used car salesman. I've always preferred the former.

[stuporman]

Am I the only one who's already tired of hearing Brown talk?

Some coaches sound like miserable bastards who just talk straight and some sound like a used car salesman. I've always preferred the former.

I guess it really does come down to how the players respond to them and their coaching acumen to do the job not how they sound in the media even if it's annoying to us.

[kNicksGmen]

Am I the only one who's already tired of hearing Brown talk?

I've never liked him largely for the way he talked etc.

Dude be talking with his teeth.

[god shammgod]

Am I the only one who's already tired of hearing Brown talk?

Some coaches sound like miserable bastards who just talk straight and some sound like a used car salesman. I've always preferred the former.

I guess it really does come down to how the players respond to them and their coaching acumen to do the job not how they sound in the media even if it's annoying to us.

it's mostly about the players anyway

[god shammgod]

first pre-season game is thursday. somebody should probably make a thread.

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mich has no idea what's going on

[bballoctober]

Is it just me or Abu Dhabi feels like a ghost city.

[spree8]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

Because Brown and Thibs are different coaches with different systems which means players will be in different positions on the floor on both ends, even though we're focused on offense right now. Thibs was too stubborn to adjust the way we wanted him to adjust. His rotations were set, his play plan was set. If the other team knew how to pick apart his game plan, he more often than not doubled downed on it.

Before Brogdon, I was dead set on Mitch/KAT/OG/Mikal/JB. Now with him -- if he sticks, we'll see next week -- I'm leaning more towards Mitch off the bench and give Deuce a try.

I mean specifically.. how could Mitch or Hart in the starting lineup produce different results than what we saw and what the numbers show with Brown as coach vs Thibs?

I know that in general, yeah there’s differences between coaches, but my point is that Mitch and Hart are what they are and there’s really not much Brown is going to be able to do to change the end results all that much to make lineups with Mitch or Hart better than with Deuce.

Basically, calling it a moot point, you’d have to be pretty confident in knowing that Brown will be able to figure out something specific with them that Thibs couldn't. Just asking what you think that is exactly… because I don’t see it at all.

[JayTWill]

It might be worth considering that Brogdon's injuries were because he was on sh*tty teams.

As a vet, he might have been making business decisions.

He's on an unguaranteed vet min contract. If it was a business decision it was a terrible one given his injury history and age.

[Wildcat]

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

Because Brown and Thibs are different coaches with different systems which means players will be in different positions on the floor on both ends, even though we're focused on offense right now. Thibs was too stubborn to adjust the way we wanted him to adjust. His rotations were set, his play plan was set. If the other team knew how to pick apart his game plan, he more often than not doubled downed on it.

Before Brogdon, I was dead set on Mitch/KAT/OG/Mikal/JB. Now with him -- if he sticks, we'll see next week -- I'm leaning more towards Mitch off the bench and give Deuce a try.

I mean specifically.. how could Mitch or Hart in the starting lineup produce different results than what we saw and what the numbers show with Brown as coach vs Thibs?

I know that in general, yeah there’s differences between coaches, but my point is that Mitch and Hart are what they are and there’s really not much Brown is going to be able to do to change the end results all that much to make lineups with Mitch or Hart better than with Deuce.

Basically, calling it a moot point, you’d have to be pretty confident in knowing that Brown will be able to figure out something specific with them that Thibs couldn't. Just asking what you think that is exactly… because I don’t see it at all.

Well, Hart, for example, seems like the type of player that will improve on a motion offense and motion is probably the biggest problem this team had last year. Once the D put a C on Hart, Thibs made next to zero adjustments to exploit that. Maybe once in a blue, but overall, it was Hart at the corner. Brown talked about positioning Mitch better so he can be more of a lob threat. There are little things you can tinker with.