Top 10 QB's

[JujitsuFlip]

AZ Cats, are you not entertained?! Lmao

[therealbig3]

neither of them have ever been as good as Aaron Rodgers was at his peak, who played with less talent than both and his HC was **** Mike McCarthy not the two greatest coaches of all time

I actually feel like Rodgers and Mahomes have a very similar playing style, both easily pass the eye test. Both have an absolute missile for an arm. And both are "good" on their feet.

except Rodgers never played for a coach like Reid and probably would have 3-4 SBs himself if he did. people really forget just how filthy peak Rodgers was and now the media just hates him

Eh, Rodgers is like the CP3 of great QBs. Advanced stats god…but the man consistently disappeared in the playoffs. Everyone wants to blame his teammates, including Aaron Rodgers himself, but too many playoff games when the guy just started playing super passive and wouldn’t show up.

I mean look at when Brady led the Bucs to the SB. I thought he outplayed Rodgers when they went up against GB, despite throwing 3 picks that game to Rodgers’ 1. Because Rodgers led the Packers to a grand total of 0 points off those 3 interceptions. Brady totally capitalized on the 1 turnover he was given.

Mahomes obviously takes advantage whenever the other team makes a mistake. Brady obviously did. Rodgers…didn’t. Not on a consistent enough basis at least when the team needed him to.

[therealbig3]

AZ Cats, are you not entertained?! Lmao

First time I saw AJ Brown legit get shut down as an Eagle. Most of the time they’re just not looking his way. This game, he got targeted a lot but got no separation.

[Micah Prescott]

The Eagles are clear proof that winning in the NFL is much bigger than the QB. Sadly most fans will still view it as a tennis match between 2 QBs. Even though it's right in their face.

[azcatz11]

The Eagles are clear proof that winning in the NFL is much bigger than the QB. Sadly most fans will still view it as a tennis match between 2 QBs. Even though it's right in their face.

Really? I think the Eagles are an outlier if anything. I would actually go the complete opposite direction from your theory

[JujitsuFlip]

AZ Cats, are you not entertained?! Lmao

First time I saw AJ Brown legit get shut down as an Eagle. Most of the time they’re just not looking his way. This game, he got targeted a lot but got no separation.

Did you see AJ's cryptic tweet, post game?

They're 4-0 though, idk who can really complain.

[Micah Prescott]

The Eagles are clear proof that winning in the NFL is much bigger than the QB. Sadly most fans will still view it as a tennis match between 2 QBs. Even though it's right in their face.

Really? I think the Eagles are an outlier if anything. I would actually go the complete opposite direction from your theory

An outlier 2x? Once with Foles and once with Hurts where the team had the best defense in the NFL?

I mean, this is exactly what I am talking about.

What happens a lot of the time is that teams like the Chiefs and Patriots actually have elite defenses, but Mahomes and Brady soak up all the credit.

And there have been plenty of examples of "average" QBs winning. All the Joe Flaccos and Eli Mannings that have happened. Peyton Manning was literally the worst QB in the entire NFL when he won with the Broncos.

It's sad that most people just can not see the immense depth of the this game.

[QB_Eagles]

The Eagles are clear proof that winning in the NFL is much bigger than the QB. Sadly most fans will still view it as a tennis match between 2 QBs. Even though it's right in their face.

Really? I think the Eagles are an outlier if anything. I would actually go the complete opposite direction from your theory

An outlier 2x? Once with Foles and once with Hurts where the team had the best defense in the NFL?

I mean, this is exactly what I am talking about.

What happens a lot of the time is that teams like the Chiefs and Patriots actually have elite defenses, but Mahomes and Brady soak up all the credit.

And there have been plenty of examples of "average" QBs winning. All the Joe Flaccos and Eli Mannings that have happened. Peyton Manning was literally the worst QB in the entire NFL when he won with the Broncos.

It's sad that most people just can not see the immense depth of the this game.

I don't know who can look at Foles and Hurts SB performances and call these "average".

Oh wait, I just remembered in Dak's last playoff game he throw 2 INTs (include a pick-six) but you blamed the defense. It all makes sense now.

[bluejerseyjinx]

The Eagles are clear proof that winning in the NFL is much bigger than the QB. Sadly most fans will still view it as a tennis match between 2 QBs. Even though it's right in their face.

Really? I think the Eagles are an outlier if anything. I would actually go the complete opposite direction from your theory

An outlier 2x? Once with Foles and once with Hurts where the team had the best defense in the NFL?

I mean, this is exactly what I am talking about.

What happens a lot of the time is that teams like the Chiefs and Patriots actually have elite defenses, but Mahomes and Brady soak up all the credit.

And there have been plenty of examples of "average" QBs winning. All the Joe Flaccos and Eli Mannings that have happened. Peyton Manning was literally the worst QB in the entire NFL when he won with the Broncos.

It's sad that most people just can not see the immense depth of the this game.

How do you define average?

[azcatz11]

Really? I think the Eagles are an outlier if anything. I would actually go the complete opposite direction from your theory

An outlier 2x? Once with Foles and once with Hurts where the team had the best defense in the NFL?

I mean, this is exactly what I am talking about.

What happens a lot of the time is that teams like the Chiefs and Patriots actually have elite defenses, but Mahomes and Brady soak up all the credit.

And there have been plenty of examples of "average" QBs winning. All the Joe Flaccos and Eli Mannings that have happened. Peyton Manning was literally the worst QB in the entire NFL when he won with the Broncos.

It's sad that most people just can not see the immense depth of the this game.

I don't know who can look at Foles and Hurts SB performances and call these "average".

Oh wait, I just remembered in Dak's last playoff game he throw 2 INTs (include a pick-six) but you blamed the defense. It all makes sense now.

Hurts is not really a game manager. I don't really understand his point. A QB is by far the most important position in the NFL. Yes, a great defense obviously helps but QB is #1 by a long shot.

[Micah Prescott]

An outlier 2x? Once with Foles and once with Hurts where the team had the best defense in the NFL?

I mean, this is exactly what I am talking about.

What happens a lot of the time is that teams like the Chiefs and Patriots actually have elite defenses, but Mahomes and Brady soak up all the credit.

And there have been plenty of examples of "average" QBs winning. All the Joe Flaccos and Eli Mannings that have happened. Peyton Manning was literally the worst QB in the entire NFL when he won with the Broncos.

It's sad that most people just can not see the immense depth of the this game.

I don't know who can look at Foles and Hurts SB performances and call these "average".

Oh wait, I just remembered in Dak's last playoff game he throw 2 INTs (include a pick-six) but you blamed the defense. It all makes sense now.

Hurts is not really a game manager. I don't really understand his point. A QB is by far the most important position in the NFL. Yes, a great defense obviously helps but QB is #1 by a long shot.

We literally just saw Hurts win a game without completing a single pass in the 2nd half lol.

And yes, he owns a ring and the only part of his game I would say he excels at is running. He is absolutely an "average" passer.


Like, why it so difficult to just say "we won with defense"? Why is that offensive? Hurts isn't prime Rodgers, everyone can see that. So why do we have to pretend he is?

[QB_Eagles]

I don't know who can look at Foles and Hurts SB performances and call these "average".

Oh wait, I just remembered in Dak's last playoff game he throw 2 INTs (include a pick-six) but you blamed the defense. It all makes sense now.

Hurts is not really a game manager. I don't really understand his point. A QB is by far the most important position in the NFL. Yes, a great defense obviously helps but QB is #1 by a long shot.

We literally just saw Hurts win a game without completing a single pass in the 2nd half lol.

And yes, he owns a ring and the only part of his game I would say he excels at is running. He is absolutely an "average" passer.


Like, why it so difficult to just say "we won with defense"? Why is that offensive? Hurts isn't prime Rodgers, everyone can see that. So why do we have to pretend he is?

He still had 2 passing TD and a combined 200 yards without turnovers.

If those were Dak playoff stats you'd be praising him.

Nobody who watched Hurts' two SB performances would call him an "average" passer who got carried to a title by his defense.

[Jaydubb]

Hurts is not really a game manager. I don't really understand his point. A QB is by far the most important position in the NFL. Yes, a great defense obviously helps but QB is #1 by a long shot.

We literally just saw Hurts win a game without completing a single pass in the 2nd half lol.

And yes, he owns a ring and the only part of his game I would say he excels at is running. He is absolutely an "average" passer.


Like, why it so difficult to just say "we won with defense"? Why is that offensive? Hurts isn't prime Rodgers, everyone can see that. So why do we have to pretend he is?

He still had 2 passing TD and a combined 200 yards without turnovers.

If those were Dak playoff stats you'd be praising him.

Nobody who watched Hurts' two SB performances would call him an "average" passer who got carried to a title by his defense.

I still don’t understand the Jalen hurts narrative.. He’s had several playoff games with great clutch passing numbers including those two super bowls. And that was against good defenses too. Hell, one can argue Jalen hurts actually outplayed mahomes in 2023. If that doesn’t say that he’s capable then I don’t know what will.

[Jaydubb]

0-8 is really bad for sure but I think the clear issue is the play calling. Look at the all 22 from the first half of the eagles game and the 2nd half. It almost looks like there’s two different people calling the plays. It’s weird. The first half was more creative, and the second half was super basic repetitive routes. Look at the all 22, on all of those plays there was literally NOBODY open.

The same exact thing can be said about the rams game too except in the first half there was absolutely no creativity and in the second half there was far more creative plays which lead to a lot more success passing the ball. I will say in the rams game, Jalen audibled away from the initial play calling 8% of the time in the first half and then in the 2nd half you can see Jalen hurts getting in Kevin patullos face on the sideline and he audibled on I think it was 38% of play calls after halftime. So basically he made the offense his own and the offense was far more effective as a result.

I don’t know if it’s patullo or sirianni or both but I think the main issue is play calling.

[therealbig3]

lol, Hurts was crap in the 2nd half, that’s true…but so was the entire team. The defense stepped up big late, but also gave up two huge 70+ yards TDs that got the Bucs back in it in the first place. Saquon sucked the entire game.

The Eagles basically had a dominant 1st half and then held on to win in the 2nd half. And who was the best player in the 1st half? Hurts.

He also happened to be their leading rusher. Yeah, no completions or passing yards in the 2nd half is a great sound bite, but I’d take that and no turnovers and a bunch of rushing yards over whatever slop Justin Herbert put up.

[Micah Prescott]

Hurts is not really a game manager. I don't really understand his point. A QB is by far the most important position in the NFL. Yes, a great defense obviously helps but QB is #1 by a long shot.

We literally just saw Hurts win a game without completing a single pass in the 2nd half lol.

And yes, he owns a ring and the only part of his game I would say he excels at is running. He is absolutely an "average" passer.


Like, why it so difficult to just say "we won with defense"? Why is that offensive? Hurts isn't prime Rodgers, everyone can see that. So why do we have to pretend he is?

He still had 2 passing TD and a combined 200 yards without turnovers.

If those were Dak playoff stats you'd be praising him.

Nobody who watched Hurts' two SB performances would call him an "average" passer who got carried to a title by his defense.

If Dallas won the SB with with #1 ranked defense in the NFL, you can bet your ass I'd be pointing at that. There is no way in hell I'd say "it was all Dak".

I'll tell you right now the 90s Cowboys dynasty wasn't all because of Aikman.

This particular week, where I just saw Dak go ape **** and complete a dozen clutch passes late, yet still tie just because of defense. While Hurts completes LITERALLY NOTHING and still wins because of defense, what I am saying is being thrown right into my face.

This is NOT a sport where the best QB wins a ring every single year.

[Jaydubb]

We literally just saw Hurts win a game without completing a single pass in the 2nd half lol.

And yes, he owns a ring and the only part of his game I would say he excels at is running. He is absolutely an "average" passer.


Like, why it so difficult to just say "we won with defense"? Why is that offensive? Hurts isn't prime Rodgers, everyone can see that. So why do we have to pretend he is?

He still had 2 passing TD and a combined 200 yards without turnovers.

If those were Dak playoff stats you'd be praising him.

Nobody who watched Hurts' two SB performances would call him an "average" passer who got carried to a title by his defense.

If Dallas won the SB with with #1 ranked defense in the NFL, you can bet your ass I'd be pointing at that. There is no way in hell I'd say "it was all Dak".

I'll tell you right now the 90s Cowboys dynasty wasn't all because of Aikman.

This particular week, where I just saw Dak go ape **** and complete a dozen clutch passes late, yet still tie just because of defense. While Hurts completes LITERALLY NOTHING and still wins because of defense, what I am saying is being thrown right into my face.

This is NOT a sport where the best QB wins a ring every single year.

Defense and the trenches still to this day wins games. It’s not as pretty and fun to watch for some as explosive offenses though which is why most owners tend to build up powerhouse offenses. Offense sells tickets and merch which puts more money in owners pockets. Defense and big fat ugly OL/DL wins games especially in the playoffs.

[ball_takes23]

Hurts does what he needs to do for his team to win. when they were down 26-7 last week he threw 3 TD passes in the second half to lead the comeback. They were up huge this week so they went conservative in the second half.

[El Turco]

Eagles wouldnt have won last year without a top 10 QB, QB isnt everything but it sure is the biggest thing.

[Micah Prescott]

Eagles wouldnt have won last year without a top 10 QB, QB isnt everything but it sure is the biggest thing.

It might be the single biggest "player" but it isn't the biggest "thing".

Logistically speaking, and mathematically speaking, a defense preventing a TD has the exact same impact as a QB throwing a TD.

A goalie in soccer or hockey usually has more impact to the final score than the players that are actually scoring.

Speaking of a QB throwing a TD, that requires blockers to block for him, a WR to catch for him, and the threat of a RB to open things up for him. One pass is much more than just HIM.


There is no "QB" for the defense, or "goalie". I suppose a MLB would be the closest thing. And that is the only reason that on a player level, QB is at the top.