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Re: Celtics 2025-26, Season Thread – (Media Day = Sept. 29, 11:00AM) 

Post#181 » by itrsteve » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:54 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:I don't understand what I'm watching here. Jayson Tatum had to have made some unholy pact with the devil or he was built in a lab.


It's insane. I have no qualified opinion in any direction, but it seems miraculous and has to have some eastern front offices punching the air. If we're in the play-off mix (which isn't hard with the Play-In tournament) then it's difficult to imagine not seeing him this year.

I remember they said his quick and decisive action to immediately go into surgery vs lingering around with an active injury consulting different surgeons would greatly speed things along. So perhaps this is the net effect?
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Post#182 » by Parliament10 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:59 pm

itrsteve wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:I don't understand what I'm watching here. Jayson Tatum had to have made some unholy pact with the devil or he was built in a lab.


It's insane. I have no qualified opinion in any direction, but it seems miraculous and has to have some eastern front offices punching the air. If we're in the play-off mix (which isn't hard with the Play-In tournament) then it's difficult to imagine not seeing him this year.

I remember they said his quick and decisive action to immediately go into surgery vs lingering around with an active injury consulting different surgeons would greatly speed things along. So perhaps this is the net effect?

They said something about doing the surgery within 12 hours. Not letting scar tissue form, and some other body injury reactions.
It was the speedy surgery, that seems to be the primary factor.
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Post#183 » by Fierce1 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 2:59 pm

itrsteve wrote:
bucknersrevenge wrote:I don't understand what I'm watching here. Jayson Tatum had to have made some unholy pact with the devil or he was built in a lab.


It's insane. I have no qualified opinion in any direction, but it seems miraculous and has to have some eastern front offices punching the air. If we're in the play-off mix (which isn't hard with the Play-In tournament) then it's difficult to imagine not seeing him this year.

I remember they said his quick and decisive action to immediately go into surgery vs lingering around with an active injury consulting different surgeons would greatly speed things along. So perhaps this is the net effect?

JT's dad said 8-9 months one day after JT got hurt.

I believed it.
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Post#184 » by Hal14 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 3:57 pm

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bucknersrevenge wrote:I don't understand what I'm watching here. Jayson Tatum had to have made some unholy pact with the devil or he was built in a lab.


It's insane. I have no qualified opinion in any direction, but it seems miraculous and has to have some eastern front offices punching the air. If we're in the play-off mix (which isn't hard with the Play-In tournament) then it's difficult to imagine not seeing him this year.

I remember they said his quick and decisive action to immediately go into surgery vs lingering around with an active injury consulting different surgeons would greatly speed things along. So perhaps this is the net effect?

They said something about doing the surgery within 12 hours. Not letting scar tissue form, and some other body injury reactions.
It was the speedy surgery, that seems to be the primary factor.

Primary factor in what? A heavily edited 20 second video where he does 8 dribbles and 3 shots in an empty gym, we see a 1 second clip of him doing some light running and lifting some weights?

A quick search I did says that the typical timeline for an NBA player returning from a torn achilles indicates that light basketball activities like dribbling and form shooting can happen 4-6 months after the injury.

Tatum tore his achilles May 14 and got surgery right after. So it's been 4 and a half months since then. So it is not surprising at all if Tatum is doing light basketball activities. Seems like he's right on track.

Brad has said there is *no* timeline for Tatum's return.

And there is basically zero precedent for a player to come back late in the season from an injury this severe. Especially a player who's the franchise player, in his prime (only 27 yrs old) on literally the richest contract in NBA history which means the team will be more careful and cautious when bringing a player back from injury than any time in league history that a player has been injured.
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Post#185 » by bisme37 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:07 pm

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itrsteve wrote:
It's insane. I have no qualified opinion in any direction, but it seems miraculous and has to have some eastern front offices punching the air. If we're in the play-off mix (which isn't hard with the Play-In tournament) then it's difficult to imagine not seeing him this year.

I remember they said his quick and decisive action to immediately go into surgery vs lingering around with an active injury consulting different surgeons would greatly speed things along. So perhaps this is the net effect?

They said something about doing the surgery within 12 hours. Not letting scar tissue form, and some other body injury reactions.
It was the speedy surgery, that seems to be the primary factor.

Primary factor in what? A heavily edited 20 second video where he does 8 dribbles and 3 shots in an empty gym, we see a 1 second clip of him doing some light running and lifting some weights?

A quick search I did says that the typical timeline for an NBA player returning from a torn achilles indicates that light basketball activities like dribbling and form shooting can happen 4-6 months after the injury.

Tatum tore his achilles May 14 and got surgery right after. So it's been 4 and a half months since then. So it is not surprising at all if Tatum is doing light basketball activities. Seems like he's right on track.

Brad has said there is *no* timeline for Tatum's return.

And there is basically zero precedent for a player to come back late in the season from an injury this severe. Especially a player who's the franchise player, in his prime (only 27 yrs old) on literally the richest contract in NBA history which means the team will be more careful and cautious when bringing a player back from injury than any time in league history that a player has been injured.


The thing is, there's zero precedent for Tatum's exact situation at all...

No NBA athlete wants to rupture their Achilles tendon. But Jayson Tatum is in a much better position than most to fully recover from this traumatic injury.

That’s because the 27-year-old Celtics superstar, who ruptured his Achilles in the fourth quarter of Monday’s Game 4 against the Knicks in New York City, underwent a successful surgery at the Hospital for Special Surgery (HSS) just hours after the injury occurred. According to multiple sources, the surgery was performed by one of the world’s leading Achilles tendon surgeons, Dr. Martin O’Malley, who also operated on Kevin Durant after he ruptured his Achilles.
...

You might expect all NBA players to have endless resources at their disposal, and therefore be able to get an Achilles rupture repaired on a 12-hour turnaround. But, that’s not typically the case.

For context, Damian Lillard ruptured his Achilles on April 27 and underwent surgery on May 2nd. DeMarcus Cousins tore his on a Saturday night and had the surgery on Wednesday. Wesley Mathews tore his Achilles on a Thursday, and had the surgery six days later. Rudy Gay also had to wait five days.

Even Kevin Durant, who often serves as the poster child for what a successful recovery can look like, tore his Achilles on a Monday night and had the surgery performed on Wednesday.

Though these were all high-profile NBA players, it always takes time to put everything together to make the surgery possible, Soslowsky explained.

“Fifty percent of their time, they’re not in their home city, and the choice of which surgeon you’re going to have perform that operation is a conversation between the athlete, the agent, maybe the team, ownership, maybe colleagues or friends of the athlete,” he said. “And once those conversations happen, those conversations take a little bit of time. They don’t happen within the first half hour, right? They begin then, and then, once you settle on the surgeon, depending on what city that surgeon is in, it’s often not in the city that you’re in. So, there’s some time involved there. And then that surgeon may have a clinic day that day, and they may not have an operating day until the next day or two days later.”

Almost miraculously, Tatum just so happened to already be in New York City, where the Celtics faced the Knicks at Madison Square Garden. And, Dr. O’Malley was available.

That reality, coupled with the fact that Tatum is so young — most NBA players who have suffered this injury have been at least 30 years old — puts him in uncharted territory. It also means that the somewhat discouraging data that currently exists regarding players’ decline upon return from an Achilles rupture might not necessarily be applicable in Tatum’s case.

“There’s not a lot of data on recovery from Achilles tear for a 27-year-old at 12 hours post-tear, right?” said Dr. Soslowsky. “There’s no data, really, out there.”


Surgeons universally recommend operative Achilles tendon repair as soon as possible to restore functionality and reduce the risk of re-rupture. But, regular people have to wait days, if not weeks, to go through all the hoops and hurdles of getting a surgery on the books.

“You’re going to get infiltration of biologic agents and cells that will create the beginnings of scar formation,” Soslowsky said. “Because this repair was within a day, those processes had only just begun, and with a surgical pair, the torn ends were put right back together before a lot of these adverse biologic effects occurred. And so the opportunity for a faster recovery really is present.”


https://www.celticsblog.com/2025/5/15/24430310/jayson-tatum-achilles-tendon-injury-celtics-nba-playoffs-surgery-recovery-timeline
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Re: Celtics 2025-26, Season Thread – (Media Day = Sept. 29, 11:00AM) 

Post#186 » by bisme37 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:17 pm

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Post#187 » by Gant » Mon Sep 29, 2025 4:51 pm

A few bits from the interviews and press conference today:

Xavier Tillman has dropped 12 pounds after eating healthier. He says his knees feel great and he's running and jumping better. Tillman told a funny story of RJ Luis asking how old he is. Tillman told him 26, and RJ just squinted at him, like nooo way.

Chris Boucher says the Celtics indicated they wanted him for multiple years when they first brought him in.
Boucher was homeless as a teenager.

Brad Stevens said the reason for the switch from Niang to Boucher was for Boucher's length, and for his lower salary's impact on the aprons. He liked Niang very much but described him as more of a wing. He said they had to make the decision quickly, because the window to sign Boucher wasn't going to last and they knew they were only going in with 14 players.

Jaylen Brown says he expects the team will run a faster game, which his interviewers pointed out, he's wanted for years. The new roster lends itself to that. He also expects to rack up more assists.

Derrick White also plans to pass more and the team to be faster, and also said X looks great.

Anfernee Simons expects to play more off ball than in Portland, and get better looks here. He intends to become a more complete player. Says Joe and the coaching staff are pushing him towards that.
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Post#188 » by meatball sub » Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:11 pm

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Post#189 » by jmr07019 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 5:25 pm

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Heh!?????? That's craaaaaaaazy. I certainly hope they take their time and are cautious. I'm sure they will be but that is way sooner than anyone out of the know could have anticipated. Looking more and more likely it's going to be this year though.
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Post#190 » by Parliament10 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:03 pm

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Post#191 » by Parliament10 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:11 pm

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Post#192 » by fallguy » Mon Sep 29, 2025 6:55 pm

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Most notable thing for me today is this focus on playing fast and intense.

Rick Pitino was way ahead of his time!
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Post#193 » by Half-Full » Mon Sep 29, 2025 7:06 pm

Gant wrote:A few bits from the interviews and press conference today:

Xavier Tillman has dropped 12 pounds after eating healthier. He says his knees feel great and he's running and jumping better. Tillman told a funny story of RJ Luis asking how old he is. Tillman told him 26, and RJ just squinted at him, like nooo way.



It was really encouraging to see how slimmed down X was. He was upbeat, and looked ready to go. Very good news about his knees. I'm excited, because we can really use another big who can play quality minutes. He did mention that his 3-point shot was coming along, and that he had more confidence in it. That would be icing on the cake. Defense, setting screens, and rebounding, though is what I would most like him to bring.
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Post#194 » by Gant » Mon Sep 29, 2025 7:17 pm

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Most notable thing for me today is this focus on playing fast and intense.

Rick Pitino was way ahead of his time!


That's a great observation. This was the biggest story. Many players talked about speed, and Joe Mazzulla kept alluding to trends in the league, which I took to mean the high pace the Pacers and Thunder play at. I think it was Mazzulla that specifically mentioned those two teams.

This way predates Pitino. I've been waiting since Tommy was coaching Havlicek for the return of a true running game.

If Joe sinks his teeth into something, he'll do it like no one else.
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Post#195 » by redslastlaugh » Mon Sep 29, 2025 7:35 pm

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Most notable thing for me today is this focus on playing fast and intense.

Rick Pitino was way ahead of his time!


This was the biggest story. Many players talked about speed, and Joe Mazzulla kept alluding to trends in the league, which I took to mean the high pace the Pacers and Thunder play at. I think it was Mazzulla that specifically mentioned those two teams.

This way predates Pitino. I've been waiting since Tommy was coaching Havlicek for the return of a true running game.

If Joe sinks his teeth into something he'll do it like no one else.

love this, Joe Mazzulla is an innovator.

My first thought was, "JDD wouldve been interesting if this is the style," but if we can get some new wrinkles this year, thatd be great.
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Post#196 » by jmr07019 » Mon Sep 29, 2025 8:57 pm

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Post#197 » by Fierce1 » Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:24 am

What most NBA fans and followers are missing is today's NBA is more dependent on style of play and discipline on offense and defense.

It's just not about talent anymore.

If it's just about talent then there's no way the Pacers would've reached the Finals.
Even last season the Pacers were the toughest opponent of the Celtics on the road to Banner 18.

I truly believe the Celtics are going to surprise a lot of fans this season.

With Tatum not playing the start of the season, Joe has more control of the offense.
This will be Joe's time to shine.
We all know Joe is using Brad's system and the system has proven to be able to win a championship.

So now the Cs just need to be fundamentally sound on key aspects of the game.

Rebounding, getting easy shots from cuts and fast breaks, and playing with a faster pace are 3 things the Cs should focus on for this season.

Last season if the Cs were hot from 3, they would win, just like in Game 5 against the Knicks.
But when cold from 3, they will look awful, just like Game 6 against the Knicks.

Now the Cs will have a dynamic scoring guard in Simons and they have younger, more athletic players like Baylor, Mynot, Walsh, and Hugo to complement their 3pt shooting game.

Will this lesser talented, more athletic roster, minus Tatum, be able to exceed expectations?

I say they can.
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Post#198 » by Half-Full » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:03 am

Fierce1 wrote:What most NBA fans and followers are missing is today's NBA is more dependent on style of play and discipline on offense and defense.

It's just not about talent anymore.

If it's just about talent then there's no way the Pacers would've reached the Finals.
Even last season the Pacers were the toughest opponent of the Celtics on the road to Banner 18.

I truly believe the Celtics are going to surprise a lot of fans this season.

With Tatum not playing the start of the season, Joe has more control of the offense.
This will be Joe's time to shine.
We all know Joe is using Brad's system and the system has proven to be able to win a championship.

So now the Cs just need to be fundamentally sound on key aspects of the game.

Rebounding, getting easy shots from cuts and fast breaks, and playing with a faster pace are 3 things the Cs should focus on for this season.

Last season if the Cs were hot from 3, they would win, just like in Game 5 against the Knicks.
But when cold from 3, they will look awful, just like Game 6 against the Knicks.

Now the Cs will have a dynamic scoring guard in Simons and they have younger, more athletic players like Baylor, Mynot, Walsh, and Hugo to complement their 3pt shooting game.

Will this lesser talented, more athletic roster, minus Tatum, be able to exceed expectations?

I say they can.


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Post#199 » by brackdan70 » Tue Sep 30, 2025 12:30 pm

I have written off Tillman. Some encouraging news on him being trimmed down and moving better. If he can be the Tillman of 2-3 years ago then this is significant.
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Post#200 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Sep 30, 2025 12:30 pm

So why didn't Anfernee want to play defense in Portland? Did Chauncey tell him not to bother?
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