Bears thread 13

[nitetrain8603]

A few thoughts on the game:

Both teams played awful offensively. Defensively, both teams did what they could with limited units. Bears secondary looked great. Kind of reminded me to the old Lovie days with the takeaways. Offense was horrible, in terms of execution, the first half.

Braxton, I think that will be all. Be a good soldier since you're nearing FA.

Hopefully Ben learned a lesson with the OL. They should've played all preseason games so they could adjust to one another. It takes time and repetition to gel. I think that's why individuals like Dalman don't look so great. They'll get better, but it's pretty rough.

Bears need a RB desperately. Bucky would look great on this team, but that's over with. Poles is horrible with high picks anyway, go find someone.

Tyrique looks pretty solid. Looks like he woke up. I'm still in the mind that you trade Jaylon Johnson. I don't believe in paying a CB that much and he already was looking for more.

Run defense is non-existent.

Hopefully the Bears gel more. Against any other team, the Bears lose this game.

The reporter at half was being a butt.

[Dresden]

It's probably no coincidence that Tyrique has come alive just when it was announced that JJ was out for the year. He even mentioned that "now I feel like I'm number one (CB)". Maybe that responsibility has made him step up.

[Almost Retired]

We are always so quick to write off players, often based on very limited knowledge of the situation. I think it's safe to say that someone like Kiran is not living up to expectations, but far too early to say that about Trapillo. Instant gratification is not always the best path to follow with young players.

I think it's a bit early to write off Kiran. He's 23 yrs old, been a Bear for less than 18 months and injured most of the time. Granted if he can't stay healthy, any potential he may have is immaterial.

The Bears version of Patrick Williams.

Kiran will be out of the NFL in 5 years.

I think Kiran's best shot is moving over to guard and learning that position (from the coaches and maybe some tips from Thuney) over the next couple of seasons. Thuney isn't going to last forever. But the kid has to start to stay healthy for an extended time. He's got some size and some decent measurables. But his future is up to him. Will he put in the work to improve and get his body right to avoid so many injuries. If not he'll be gone once his rookie contract expires.

[Almost Retired]

The blocking has been a lot better since trapdoor came in

I don't know if that was intentional or not, but that's a great nickname for Ozzie!

it was not. but ill take credit if it sticks. I wonder if this opens up a competition for Ozzie to start. Maybe not at RT but somewhere on the line. Because he really played great. Had a handful of gaffs, but so would anyone against a top for edge, having maybe the best game of his career. I know he didn't look too hot at LT in the preseason, but if Jones is out, based on the LV game, Ozzie seems to be our best option.

If it looks like Trapillo can handle the RT position I wonder what we might be able to get for Darnell? To my eyes Darnell has regressed since his rookie season. He certainly hasn't improved. Darnell is under his rookie contract for one more season and then the year after he's on team option. So a team trading for him essentially gets a RT for $5-6 million a year for two years before they have to pay him big money. I'd trade him for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat if Trapillo looks ready to assume the role.

[Dresden]

I hope they are scouting nothing but offensive and defensive lineman for next year. We're set pretty much everywhere else (I guess secondary and RB are also needs). I would not mind our first 4 picks getting two D lineman and 2 O lineman. We are just getting overmatched physically on both sides of the ball, and it's hard to win games with that.

I don't think I heard Shemar Turner's name all game yesterday, or Gervon Dexter's.

We need to be able to hold our own in the trenches, and it's hard to watch knowing every running play we're running is getting stuffed, and every running play by the other team is likely to go for 7-8 yards. Raiders averaged 7.7 yards a carry yesterday. My gosh that's embarrassing.

[Dresden]

I don't know if that was intentional or not, but that's a great nickname for Ozzie!

it was not. but ill take credit if it sticks. I wonder if this opens up a competition for Ozzie to start. Maybe not at RT but somewhere on the line. Because he really played great. Had a handful of gaffs, but so would anyone against a top for edge, having maybe the best game of his career. I know he didn't look too hot at LT in the preseason, but if Jones is out, based on the LV game, Ozzie seems to be our best option.

If it looks like Trapillo can handle the RT position I wonder what we might be able to get for Darnell? To my eyes Darnell has regressed since his rookie season. He certainly hasn't improved. Darnell is under his rookie contract for one more season and then the year after he's on team option. So a team trading for him essentially gets a RT for $5-6 million a year for two years before they have to pay him big money. I'd trade him for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat if Trapillo looks ready to assume the role.

That would be a sad outcome for a top 12 pick.

[nomorezorro]

wright is really good outside of the penalties. zero reason to think trapilo makes him expendable

i know they mostly shut this idea down during training camp, but i wonder if they experiment with wright at LT/trapilo at RT during the bye

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[AshyLarrysDiaper]

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Two things can be true:

1. Ben is an emotional guy who needs to check his tone and body language when things aren’t going well.

2. “Do you need to change what you’re doing?” is a really dumb question, especially since he just told you *what* he plans to change. I doubt Ben’s the only coach who’d have reacted negatively to it.

[patryk7754]

I’m really confident that we will be 4-2 going into Baltimore. With how bad the ravens defense has been this season (and now some injuries are starting to pile up for them as well) I have more confidence that we can pull an upset against them. Bengals should be an easy dun. ironically, what maybe would have been considered our easiest game, preseason, is giving me some pause in the giants. Their defense is legit and gets better from week to week. But I can definitely see us winning out heading into the Vikings game. At the very least go into with a winning record. And I think we are the better team. We just had a terrible collapse in week one and we’ll only be healthier by the time that game comes around

[Dresden]

WAS is next and they won't be easy. I expect a loss there. They have a solid defense and if Daniels is back, they'll probably score some points.

[nitetrain8603]

wright is really good outside of the penalties. zero reason to think trapilo makes him expendable

i know they mostly shut this idea down during training camp, but i wonder if they experiment with wright at LT/trapilo at RT during the bye

The penalty are killers, but the biggest problem is moreso with roster construction. If you have someone who is adequate who can take that spot, and Darnell is going to be due for a contract, I think you need to look at trading the asset. My same thoughts are with a guy like Cole Kmet. Your ROI on keeping Wright while having Trapilo on the roster is 0 for Trapilo since he can't play the left side, but looks competent so far on the right.

[nomorezorro]

i do get that in theory, but the problem is you have no easy way of knowing whether trapilo is actually good enough to make wright expendable without a long-term injury to wright, and you have no reason to just assume a late round 2 RT will be better than a round 1 RT who has actually shown the ability to perform well at the NFL level

with kmet/loveland, it's a situation where loveland is the higher pedigree prospect *and* both TEs can get playing time, so you're not going to be making a blind decision on whether to move on from kmet

[IliketheBullsNBearstoo]

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Two things can be true:

1. Ben is an emotional guy who needs to check his tone and body language when things aren’t going well.

2. “Do you need to change what you’re doing?” is a really dumb question, especially since he just told you *what* he plans to change. I doubt Ben’s the only coach who’d have reacted negatively to it.

I don't have a problem with how Ben answered in that interview, I just don't see anything that bothers me personally, I thought it was funny. He did seem bothered by the question and understandably so, he's already frustrated with the on field results. The lady being uncomfortable just makes things look worse than they are but her discomfort is more because she KNOWS this is insulting him. Its all just a big nothingburger that people who are fishing for drama are making it out to be something its not. Its this new generation of social media where we want to act sensitive to someone's reaction and try and cancel or judge them for it. All media is looking for anything to grab onto for hits, clicks, $'s, whatever stirs their feelings.

[Chi town]

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Two things can be true:

1. Ben is an emotional guy who needs to check his tone and body language when things aren’t going well.

2. “Do you need to change what you’re doing?” is a really dumb question, especially since he just told you *what* he plans to change. I doubt Ben’s the only coach who’d have reacted negatively to it.

I don't have a problem with how Ben answered in that interview, I just don't see anything that bothers me personally, I thought it was funny. He did seem bothered by the question and understandably so, he's already frustrated with the on field results. The lady being uncomfortable just makes things look worse than they are but her discomfort is more because she KNOWS this is insulting him. Its all just a big nothingburger that people who are fishing for drama are making it out to be something its not. Its this new generation of social media where we want to act sensitive to someone's reaction and try and cancel or judge them for it. All media is looking for anything to grab onto for hits, clicks, $'s, whatever stirs their feelings.

Yep. Exactly why Acho is chiming in. He has made himself the voice of politically correct truth. He’s self proclaimed judge and jury.

[AshyLarrysDiaper]

Two things can be true:

1. Ben is an emotional guy who needs to check his tone and body language when things aren’t going well.

2. “Do you need to change what you’re doing?” is a really dumb question, especially since he just told you *what* he plans to change. I doubt Ben’s the only coach who’d have reacted negatively to it.

I don't have a problem with how Ben answered in that interview, I just don't see anything that bothers me personally, I thought it was funny. He did seem bothered by the question and understandably so, he's already frustrated with the on field results. The lady being uncomfortable just makes things look worse than they are but her discomfort is more because she KNOWS this is insulting him. Its all just a big nothingburger that people who are fishing for drama are making it out to be something its not. Its this new generation of social media where we want to act sensitive to someone's reaction and try and cancel or judge them for it. All media is looking for anything to grab onto for hits, clicks, $'s, whatever stirs their feelings.

Yep. Exactly why Acho is chiming in. He has made himself the voice of politically correct truth. He’s self proclaimed judge and jury.

I mean, I fundamental disagree with Acho, this isn’t a big deal, but Ben was obviously irritated in way you don’t often see in these interviews. He burns hot. It’s what’ll make him great (if he’s going to be great). He just might wanna work on his poker face is all.

[nomorezorro]

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[Dresden]

wright is really good outside of the penalties. zero reason to think trapilo makes him expendable

i know they mostly shut this idea down during training camp, but i wonder if they experiment with wright at LT/trapilo at RT during the bye

The penalty are killers, but the biggest problem is moreso with roster construction. If you have someone who is adequate who can take that spot, and Darnell is going to be due for a contract, I think you need to look at trading the asset. My same thoughts are with a guy like Cole Kmet. Your ROI on keeping Wright while having Trapilo on the roster is 0 for Trapilo since he can't play the left side, but looks competent so far on the right.

You need competent back ups though. And Trapillo was brought in, IMO, as a possible replacement for Braxton. It may take him a year or two to get more comfortable on the left side, or they might shift Darnell over. In any case, both are likely viewed as long term pieces. Although of course Darnell might price himself out of the Bears plans if he asks for too much.

[panthermark]

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I thought it was a statement as well. I didn't hear a "do"...so I don't blame Ben for the initial reaction. But I'm glad he clarified.

[Dominator83]

Props to Santos, I've been down on the guy but we don't win without him today.

Also props to Stevenson. He gets a lot of hate and for good reason. But he has had some impactful plays this season including the pick today.

Its still early, but so far hes done the polar opposite of last year. Last year his botch on the fail mary changed the entire season for the worse.

This year, his takeaway vs Dallas no doubt changed the trajectory of that entire game, and its carried over into this one where he contributed an interception.