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[knicksfan974]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

That's a championship-level 10-man roster right there. This is the year!

[sol537]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

That's a championship-level 10-man roster right there. This is the year!

I hope that is the 10-man lineup we go with. Hart can still get 26+ minutes while everyone else on the bench is kept under 20 so they can give max effort and pick up the energy if the starters ever start out halves cold. If everyone is willing to sacrifice minutes and some numbers, we can be really, really good when things start to click.

[Capn'O]

Feel like much of these is moot without Thibs as HC.

I will say, though, considering their moves, I'm less against Deuce starting then I was back in June/July. I prefer Mitch starting, but it makes sense that they start Deuce because there are so many short players on the bench between Hart/Deuce/Clarkson/Malcolm, leaving only Hulk and Yabusele as the benches' only bigs.

I don’t see how it’s moot because of Thibs. Care to elaborate?

Strategically, starting Deuce is the best way to optimize Jalen, KAT, Mikal for reasons I’ve listed ad nauseam.

But yea, we’ve got way too many guards to not start one, and too few bigs to start two.

Jalen / Brogdon
Deuce / Clarkson
Mikal / Hart
OG / Yabu
KAT / Mitch

Is about as perfect a 10-man rotation as you can get. I’m good swapping Deuce for Brogdon too, tho we’d lose defense for playmaking/leadership/experience.

That's a championship-level 10-man roster right there. This is the year!

It's really solid. I'm excited.

[Capn'O]

It might be worth considering that Brogdon's injuries were because he was on sh*tty teams.

As a vet, he might have been making business decisions.

That and lower minutes could definitely keep him healthy. In Portland it was pretty widely known he was taking extra time. Mutual business decisions.

I still can't believe we got Brogdon.

[JayTWill]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

[Wildcat]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Depends on who is starting. If Deuce starts, then you should have enough minutes for Clarkson and Brogdon. I can't see a bench filled with guards as a strong bench.

[Jonathan2347]

If Brogdon is healthy there is absolutely nothing wrong with starting him and still capping him at 20 mpg. He is 6"4 still gives us some height like Donte.

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[spree8]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

[Lemmie_live]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

That man does not know ball let alone Knicks ball of you think there would be a problem having both Brogdon & Clarkson. Our main issue last playoffs was needing offense from the bench. Kat could’ve played better but Brunson Mikal & OG carried their weight and then some during the playoffs. The issue was there was no offensive production from the bench. Even if their was Thibs was not going there to find out.

[JayTWill]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Depends on who is starting. If Deuce starts, then you should have enough minutes for Clarkson and Brogdon. I can't see a bench filled with guards as a strong bench.

They can find minutes for both but i'm more concerned about finding roles for both. Brunson, Clarkson and Brogdon have all been high volume shot takers for years who aren't good defenders especially at this stage in their careers. I know the offense is expected to be different but do we really need 3 guards like that consistently in the rotation along with the teams' other pieces?

It reminds me of when we had all those talented offensive players at the start of the 23-24 season but the pieces just fit together better on both ends of the court once we traded some of those on ball guys for OG.

[thebuzzardman]

This is one boring ass training camp

[thebuzzardman]

Mitch going to get jailed for drinking in public in Abu Dhabi

[JayTWill]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

If you want to focus on catch and shoot 3's wouldn't Shamet and his 44.4% make much more sense? He is a 38.5% shooter for his career while Clarkson is a 33.6% shooter for his career. How do these guys adjust to less touches, shots and minutes and what do they offer without that? Brogdon shoots just as often as Payne did and Clarkson has made a career of shooting just as often as Brunson has.

In 23-24 the offense functioned better when everyone had a better defined role. Then they brought in Bogey and he never seemed to adjust to the smaller role of the bench for whatever reason.

[spree8]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

If you want to focus on catch and shoot 3's wouldn't Shamet and his 44.4% make much more sense? He is a 38.5% shooter for his career while Clarkson is a 33.6% shooter for his career. How do these guys adjust to less touches, shots and minutes and what do they offer without that? Brogdon shoots just as often as Payne did and Clarkson has made a career of shooting just as often as Brunson has.

In 23-24 the offense functioned better when everyone had a better defined role. Then they brought in Bogey and he never seemed to adjust to the smaller role of the bench for whatever reason.

I mentioned catch n shoot 3’s in response to your concern about Brogdon and Clarkson coexisting, to show that Clarkson plays well off ball too, and Brown does like motion offense.

I also mentioned their ability to move the ball as well as Hart’s…

I don’t think the FO signed Clarkson to have him sit behind Shamet… he’s the better overall player. Again, it’s not all about catch n shoot, there’s other aspects of the game…

[Wildcat]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Depends on who is starting. If Deuce starts, then you should have enough minutes for Clarkson and Brogdon. I can't see a bench filled with guards as a strong bench.

They can find minutes for both but i'm more concerned about finding roles for both. Brunson, Clarkson and Brogdon have all been high volume shot takers for years who aren't good defenders especially at this stage in their careers. I know the offense is expected to be different but do we really need 3 guards like that consistently in the rotation along with the teams' other pieces?

It reminds me of when we had all those talented offensive players at the start of the 23-24 season but the pieces just fit together better on both ends of the court once we traded some of those on ball guys for OG.

If Deuce is starting, Clarkson moves into Deuce's role off the bench. Brogdon is not a bad defender. He was playing with a pair of bad defensive teams. In a structured system, he's at worse an average defender. Clarkson is a curious case, because how bad is he really on D? Last 2 seasons he was apart of a tanking culture. And his D was fine with Gobert. If Mitch is coming off the bench with Clarkson, I think he'll be fine in the long run.

The 23/24 team is similar, but there are key differences. In this case, we're talking about bench players. If Brogdon pans out, he's going to be the distributor we originally thought Clarkson was going to lean into. And he's excellent with pick and rolls, so I hope Brown is going to utilize more picks than Thibs.

[Wildcat]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

If you want to focus on catch and shoot 3's wouldn't Shamet and his 44.4% make much more sense? He is a 38.5% shooter for his career while Clarkson is a 33.6% shooter for his career. How do these guys adjust to less touches, shots and minutes and what do they offer without that? Brogdon shoots just as often as Payne did and Clarkson has made a career of shooting just as often as Brunson has.

In 23-24 the offense functioned better when everyone had a better defined role. Then they brought in Bogey and he never seemed to adjust to the smaller role of the bench for whatever reason.

Bogdanović issues came down to health and Thibs lack of play calling to utilize what he was good at. A full training camp would have helped, too. And yet still Bogey averaged 10 PPG off 19 MPG.

[JayTWill]

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

If you want to focus on catch and shoot 3's wouldn't Shamet and his 44.4% make much more sense? He is a 38.5% shooter for his career while Clarkson is a 33.6% shooter for his career. How do these guys adjust to less touches, shots and minutes and what do they offer without that? Brogdon shoots just as often as Payne did and Clarkson has made a career of shooting just as often as Brunson has.

In 23-24 the offense functioned better when everyone had a better defined role. Then they brought in Bogey and he never seemed to adjust to the smaller role of the bench for whatever reason.

I mentioned catch n shoot 3’s in response to your concern about Brogdon and Clarkson coexisting, to show that Clarkson plays well off ball too, and Brown does like motion offense.

I also mentioned their ability to move the ball as well as Hart’s…

I don’t think the FO signed Clarkson to have him sit behind Shamet… he’s the better overall player. Again, it’s not all about catch n shoot, there’s other aspects of the game…

I'm not really putting much stock into whatever numbers Brogdon put up in 24 games last year or the 37 Clarkson played. Clarkson shot 37% last year on catch and shoot 3's and he shot in the low 30's the previous three years. I see him as much more of a scorer than a shooter. I'm less concerned who the better overall player is and more concerned about who is the best fit in the role.

If Brogdon's addition has Clarkson playing primarily off ball with much lower attempts I believe someone like Shamet is better in that role. Shamet was just an example. It doesn't have to be Shamet or Clarkson. It could just be a 9 man rotation with McBride and Bridges getting all the minutes at the 2 as 3 and D players with Brunson and Brogdon at the 1. What makes Clarkson the better option overall for the team at the 2 if that becomes his role?

I'm not sure who makes the roster. I'm also not sure if the Knicks signing Clarkson at the vet min guarantees anything. I believe Payne was their first signing last off-season but then they went and pursued Tyus Jones who I assume would have pushed Payne out of the rotation. I assume Brown will give different guys opportunities throughout the year but I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't playing both Brogdon and Clarkson by the end of the year if they are both still available.

[BKlutch]

Mitch going to get jailed for drinking in public in Abu Dhabi

I heard he will be there drinking with Berman, in a selfless act to sacrifice himself by getting them both arrested and ridding us of that scourge, Berman.

[JayTWill]

Depends on who is starting. If Deuce starts, then you should have enough minutes for Clarkson and Brogdon. I can't see a bench filled with guards as a strong bench.

They can find minutes for both but i'm more concerned about finding roles for both. Brunson, Clarkson and Brogdon have all been high volume shot takers for years who aren't good defenders especially at this stage in their careers. I know the offense is expected to be different but do we really need 3 guards like that consistently in the rotation along with the teams' other pieces?

It reminds me of when we had all those talented offensive players at the start of the 23-24 season but the pieces just fit together better on both ends of the court once we traded some of those on ball guys for OG.

If Deuce is starting, Clarkson moves into Deuce's role off the bench. Brogdon is not a bad defender. He was playing with a pair of bad defensive teams. In a structured system, he's at worse an average defender. Clarkson is a curious case, because how bad is he really on D? Last 2 seasons he was apart of a tanking culture. And his D was fine with Gobert. If Mitch is coming off the bench with Clarkson, I think he'll be fine in the long run.

The 23/24 team is similar, but there are key differences. In this case, we're talking about bench players. If Brogdon pans out, he's going to be the distributor we originally thought Clarkson was going to lean into. And he's excellent with pick and rolls, so I hope Brown is going to utilize more picks than Thibs.

Brogdon has been a stronger guard throughout his career but lateral quickness wasn't his greatest strength even in his younger days. Gobert was covering for the deficiencies of guys like Clarkson and Bogey but they weren't good defenders by the time those Jazz teams were broken up years ago. I don't expect guys like Bogey, Clarkson or Brogdon to be better defensively at 33. Bogey surely wasn't.

I was just wondering if Brogdon somehow comes in and takes the distributor role that some wanted Clarkson to play with the team's lack of ball handling is Clarkson still the best option to play off the ball?

[3toheadmelo]

I would like to see Mitch start, but ultimately I am fine with whatever makes our team the best. Hopefully the coaching staff can figure it out