Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

watch1958 · Post #3661 » by **watch1958** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:19 am

What happens if he isn’t signed when the QO expires?

Twinkie defense · Post #3662 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:19 am

statsman wrote:Doing that would not trigger a hard cap at the first apron.

Wait you're saying that using only part of the NTPMLE wouldn't hard-cap them at the 1st apron?

Twinkie defense · Post #3663 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:25 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
statsman wrote:Doing that would not trigger a hard cap at the first apron.

Wait you're saying that using only part of the NTPMLE wouldn't hard-cap them at the 1st apron?

Ok - apparently you can use a portion of the NTPMLE *up to* the amount of the TPMLE without triggering the 1st apron hard cap.

Perhaps Warriors wooed Horford by promising him more than the TPMLE *if* Kuminga signs the QO.

statsman · Post #3664 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:25 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
statsman wrote:Doing that would not trigger a hard cap at the first apron.

Wait you're saying that using only part of the NTPMLE wouldn't hard-cap them at the 1st apron?

As long as they don't exceed the amount of the TPMLE ($5.685M) from the NTMLE ($14.104), they would not be hard capped at the first apron.

This is stated in the 2023 CBA as part of Article VII, Section 6(f)(5).

Twinkie defense · Post #3665 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:26 am

watch1958 wrote:What happens if he isn’t signed when the QO expires?

He would still be RFA but the QO would no longer be an option.

Onus · Post #3666 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:28 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
watch1958 wrote:What happens if he isn’t signed when the QO expires?

He would still be RFA but the QO would no longer be an option.

As well as any leverage he has. So jk is signing something Oct 1st

Onus · Post #3667 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:29 am

I would be shocked if the warriors upped their offer currently. But jk’s team must think the warriors will do something.

statsman · Post #3668 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:29 am

Twinkie defense wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
statsman wrote:Doing that would not trigger a hard cap at the first apron.

Wait you're saying that using only part of the NTPMLE wouldn't hard-cap them at the 1st apron?

Ok - apparently you can use a portion of the NTPMLE *up to* the amount of the TPMLE without triggering the 1st apron hard cap.

Perhaps Warriors wooed Horford by promising him more than the TPMLE *if* Kuminga signs the QO.

I would think the Warriors would rather not be hard capped at the first apron in the event they need to sign replacement vet minimums if any of the players signed for one year go down with injuries.

Or maybe they use that extra space to take back a bit more salary than they send out in a trade, which would then hard cap them at the first apron. If that space below the first apron is not there, then they can't take back the extra salary in a trade.

Or maybe they find themselves in a position after the trade deadline to acquire someone who was waived they would like to add (this would require waiving someone on the roster). And being below the first apron would qualify them to offer a pro-rated vet minimum to any player, while being above the first apron restricts that to waived players who were making less than the NTMLE.

Twinkie defense · Post #3669 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:32 am

$5.4 mil is really bargain basement for Horford. He was in demand by multiple teams (including Boston). He's gonna be our starting center and is worth half of Moses Moody or Buddy Hield?

Onus · Post #3670 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:35 am

Twinkie defense wrote:$5.4 mil is really bargain basement for Horford. He was in demand by multiple teams (including Boston). He's gonna be our starting center and is worth half of Moses Moody or Buddy Hield?

Honestly horford is more important t than jk is for this upcoming year.

Onus · Post #3671 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:36 am

Also if we can get this to 200 pages this has got to be the most words ever written about a bench player who got benched out of the rotation when the team was actually trying to win.

Twinkie defense · Post #3672 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 3:53 am

Onus wrote:Also if we can get this to 200 pages this has got to be the most words ever written about a bench player who got benched out of the rotation when the team was actually trying to win.

I'm sure we did more than 200 pages on Anthony Randolph :lol:

Old_Blue · Post #3673 » by **Old_Blue** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:19 am

If this is the end for Kuminga, then the least he deserves is a decent farewell...

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watch1958 · Post #3674 » by **watch1958** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:35 am

Onus wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
watch1958 wrote:What happens if he isn’t signed when the QO expires?

He would still be RFA but the QO would no longer be an option.

As well as any leverage he has. So jk is signing something Oct 1st

But what if he decides to sit out, and see if some team has an injury, or gets desperate?

azwfan · Post #3675 » by **azwfan** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:35 am

Onus wrote:Also if we can get this to 200 pages this has got to be the most words ever written about a bench player who got benched out of the rotation when the team was actually trying to win.

Yeah, Moody only has 40 pages.

azwfan · Post #3676 » by **azwfan** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:37 am

watch1958 wrote:
Onus wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:He would still be RFA but the QO would no longer be an option.

As well as any leverage he has. So jk is signing something Oct 1st

But what if he decides to sit out, and see if some team has an injury, or gets desperate?

I think thats risky for him, more risky than taking the QO. OTOH it gives us more time to post pad this baby up to 200.

watch1958 · Post #3677 » by **watch1958** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:46 am

azwfan wrote:
watch1958 wrote:
Onus wrote:As well as any leverage he has. So jk is signing something Oct 1st

But what if he decides to sit out, and see if some team has an injury, or gets desperate?

I think thats risky for him, more risky than taking the QO. OTOH it gives us more time to post pad this baby up to 200.

Dubs 707 · Post #3678 » by **Dubs 707** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:53 am

marthafokker wrote:
Dubs 707 wrote:
ChuckDurn wrote:I’d like to offer my services in this mission.

As do I

As Rob Schneider says.... YOU CAN DO IT!

Yes, yrs you can! Run them fking post up+

watch1958 · Post #3679 » by **watch1958** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:10 am

New subtopic: compare and contrast this situation with Curry’s decision to take a bargain extension after his third season.

Different approach to life I guess.

Senchu · Post #3680 » by **Senchu** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:32 am

So deadline is in how many hours?