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[Gravy]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

[mpharris36]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

[thebuzzardman]

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[3toheadmelo]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

Cook him gravy!!!

Spoiler:

I’m just talkin sht spree

[Gravy]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

[Gravy]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

Cook him gravy!!!

Spoiler:

I’m just talkin sht spree

Knicks are back Leeeeeeeeetttttssssss Goooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HEZI]

Folks went from not wanting Donovan Mitchell because they didn’t want an undersized backcourt to now being content with Deuce McBride and Brunson in the backcourt.

Is Deuce a starter on a championship team? Hard to imagine it. Didn’t he get abused in the playoffs?

[mpharris36]

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

[GONYK]

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

We were in the running for the most efficient offense in basketball history up until teams stopped guarding KAT with their 5s.

I don't know how a coach wouldn't want to maximize that.

[Gravy]

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

Sounds like thats a KAT problem if he cant abuse shorter wings. We'll see if MB can do something to fix that.

[Gravy]

Folks went from not wanting Donovan Mitchell because they didn’t want an undersized backcourt to now being content with Deuce McBride and Brunson in the backcourt.

Is Deuce a starter on a championship team? Hard to imagine it. Didn’t he get abused in the playoffs?

Thats my issue, I really dont see Deuce as a starter on a championship team. The thing in his favor is this is the weakest I've seen the top teams in the NBA in a long time so it could work cause all these other teams are mid or injured. lol

[BKlutch]

Everyone needs to stop worrying about the bench

Watch on YouTube

I'm sorry, but I just can't watch any video unless the guy starts off by screaming, "HUGE ANNOUNCEMENT! MAJOR NEWS!".

[HEZI]

Folks went from not wanting Donovan Mitchell because they didn’t want an undersized backcourt to now being content with Deuce McBride and Brunson in the backcourt.

Is Deuce a starter on a championship team? Hard to imagine it. Didn’t he get abused in the playoffs?

Thats my issue, I really dont see Deuce as a starter on a championship team. The thing in his favor is this is the weakest I've seen the top teams in the NBA in a long time so it could work cause all these other teams are mid or injured. lol

It does appear that way but we have to be careful. Last year everybody was so worried about Boston it was nothing but Boston this Boston that and some talk about Cleveland. Well it turns out the team nobody was paying attention to was Indiana who just got going at the right time and played like the best team in the league leading up to and throughout the playoffs. East appears weaker but still some up and coming teams who do have talent and could provide matchup issues like Orlando and Detroit. I wouldn’t completely look past them. But either way I don’t think Deuce starting or not starting would make a difference in beating either of those teams. Deuce doesn’t really move the needle. Doesn’t matter if Deuce starts, Hart or Robinson, they all have weaknesses that the other team can consistently exploit.

[TheGreenArrow]

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[Wildcat]

They can find minutes for both but i'm more concerned about finding roles for both. Brunson, Clarkson and Brogdon have all been high volume shot takers for years who aren't good defenders especially at this stage in their careers. I know the offense is expected to be different but do we really need 3 guards like that consistently in the rotation along with the teams' other pieces?

It reminds me of when we had all those talented offensive players at the start of the 23-24 season but the pieces just fit together better on both ends of the court once we traded some of those on ball guys for OG.

If Deuce is starting, Clarkson moves into Deuce's role off the bench. Brogdon is not a bad defender. He was playing with a pair of bad defensive teams. In a structured system, he's at worse an average defender. Clarkson is a curious case, because how bad is he really on D? Last 2 seasons he was apart of a tanking culture. And his D was fine with Gobert. If Mitch is coming off the bench with Clarkson, I think he'll be fine in the long run.

The 23/24 team is similar, but there are key differences. In this case, we're talking about bench players. If Brogdon pans out, he's going to be the distributor we originally thought Clarkson was going to lean into. And he's excellent with pick and rolls, so I hope Brown is going to utilize more picks than Thibs.

Brogdon has been a stronger guard throughout his career but lateral quickness wasn't his greatest strength even in his younger days. Gobert was covering for the deficiencies of guys like Clarkson and Bogey but they weren't good defenders by the time those Jazz teams were broken up years ago. I don't expect guys like Bogey, Clarkson or Brogdon to be better defensively at 33. Bogey surely wasn't.

I was just wondering if Brogdon somehow comes in and takes the distributor role that some wanted Clarkson to play with the team's lack of ball handling is Clarkson still the best option to play off the ball?

Based on Brown's comment, it does seem like Brogdon is going to be a distributor. But again, this is all assuming Deuce is starting, and Brogdon even makes the team. We'll see how he looks on Thursday.

[mpharris36]

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

Sounds like thats a KAT problem if he cant abuse shorter wings. We'll see if MB can do something to fix that.

Your job is to maximize your best players strengths.

Clearly above the break 3's and drives are KAT's best weapons on offense.

He can post up but if that is what he resorts to he isn't as efficient. That is the vanilla offense we were running under Thibs last year. If he had a wing on him and they took away that KAT P&R or pick and pop game...we just resorted to posting up KAT 18 feet away from the basket vs a smaller defender.

KAT seems to be more effective when he is the quicker matchup not the bigger matchup. So thus you would love a center on him.

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Ok Mike, I see you, I see you.

[knicks1999]

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Ok Mike, I see you, I see you.

Does this mean we won’t see starters in the game with 5 minutes left in a 30 point blow out?????????LOL…..that use to drive me nuts!

[spree8]

I’ll leave this here, again, for somebody to try to do the impossible and prove how Mitch starting over Deuce is better for the team



Deuce Starting:


In the 41 minutes we saw Deuce with the starters (in place of Hart) during the season, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 116.1
Defensive Rating: 112.0
Net Rating: +4.2


Deuce in 84 mins with the starters in place of Bridges:

Offensive Rating: 130.8
Defensive Rating: 96.4
Net Rating: +34.3


Deuce in 64 mins with the starters in place of OG:

Offensive Rating: 128.2
Defensive Rating: 109.2
Net Rating: +19.0





Mitch Starting:

In the 65 minutes we saw Mitch starting over Hart in the playoffs, the numbers were:

Offensive Rating: 114.6
Defensive Rating: 118.3
Net Rating: -3.7


The 61 mins Mitch was with the starters in place of KAT in the playoffs…

Offensive Rating: 97.7
Defensive Rating: 108.9
Net Rating: -11.2





Hart Starting:


Regular starting lineup during the season:

Offensive Rating: 117.7
Defensive Rating: 114.4
Net Rating: +3


Regular starting lineup in the playoffs:

Offensive Rating: 108.7
Defensive Rating: 114.9
Net Rating: -6.2

Deuce started 10 games last year. Knicks were 5-5 in those games

With Josh Hart starting they were 49-29

I don't think thats a fair comparison. My guess is almost all Deuce's starts came with Brunson hurt. We weren't going to have a great record with Brunson regardless.

Deuce compliments Brunson well not starting in place of him as the lead guard.

Yea there’s a big difference between Deuce starting (filling in for Brunson) and Deuce playing with the starters (alongside Brunson…which is what I posted).

Try again Gravy lol

[3toheadmelo]

I think they are both best coming off the bench, but Josh Hart is a winning player with his hustling and consistency. Deuce was always too streaky to be reliable especially as a starter. Hart's hand looks messed up so I dont know how that will affect him this season.

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

Sounds like thats a KAT problem if he cant abuse shorter wings. We'll see if MB can do something to fix that.

Yeah that’s been a big issue for him throughout his career