Top 10 QB's

[Micah Prescott]

By every stat Mahomes was average last season but to you he is elite. Make it make sense.

Foles performs better than Mahomes in Super Bowls.

I literally posted just last week in this thread that Mahomes is average now. Scroll back and find it.

It is the fans who are reducing an entire 53 man roster and full coaching staff to - "the QB is good!" that need to make sense.

So he's back to elite now? You just said Mahomes is in the elite category.

I don't think you followed that correclty. The years he won those rings yes, clearly. THIS SEASON (and last really), not so much. He had an elite defense last season.

[Micah Prescott]

^^^ ALL OF THIS reduced down to "Foles beat everyone"

I mean... have you looked at Tom Brady's stats in that Super Bowl? Without Foles' ridiculous performance, the Eagles don't win that one.

BTW I was one of the earliest Eagles fans, i.e. back before Hurts was drafted, to say we probably don't win that one with Wentz either.

Yeah I mean, Nick foles has as many TD receptions in the Super Bowl as randy moss. And moss played in twice as many games! Could wentz put in a Randy moss type game? I don’t think so. The eagles needed Foles to win.

They needed lots of players and coaches to win

How this very simple logic goes over so many heads is just....


Football is NOT a single player sport. This isn't tennis or boxing. Even in the NBA where one Lebron or Jordan can be everything, and only 5 guys play both offense and defense. Those guys still needed their Pippen.

[Jaydubb]

Nick foles PROBABLY could’ve just thrown the football to himself but he’s so unselfish that he decided to share.

[Micah Prescott]

Foles was a backup QB, who was placed into a situation where he was able to succeed, and he played his part well. But that Super Bowl winning season wasn't all him, it wasn't even 20% him.

Brady had a better game than Foles in the Super Bowl, and he was OBVIOUSLY the better QB. The difference in the game was other factors. And the winning team isn't always the team with the better QB.

[QB_Eagles]

I literally posted just last week in this thread that Mahomes is average now. Scroll back and find it.

It is the fans who are reducing an entire 53 man roster and full coaching staff to - "the QB is good!" that need to make sense.

So he's back to elite now? You just said Mahomes is in the elite category.

I don't think you followed that correclty. The years he won those rings yes, clearly. THIS SEASON (and last really), not so much. He had an elite defense last season.

But Mahomes in LIV had arguably the worst SB winning performance in the last 15 years. If anything he's an example to back up your argument.

[QB_Eagles]

Foles was a backup QB, who was placed into a situation where he was able to succeed, and he played his part well. But that Super Bowl winning season wasn't all him, it wasn't even 20% him.

Brady had a better game than Foles in the Super Bowl, and he was OBVIOUSLY the better QB. The difference in the game was other factors. And the winning team isn't always the team with the better QB.

Nah, Foles is weird in that he can play phenomenally well for a short period of time. He threw 7 TD in a game in 2013. There are very few QBs who would have put in that SB performance. The defense wasn't much help because the Patriots didn't punt the entire game.

[Micah Prescott]

So he's back to elite now? You just said Mahomes is in the elite category.

I don't think you followed that correclty. The years he won those rings yes, clearly. THIS SEASON (and last really), not so much. He had an elite defense last season.

But Mahomes in LIV had arguably the worst SB winning performance in the last 15 years. If anything he's an example to back up your argument.

Okay, that particular game maybe so.

Peyton Manning won a SB throwing only 141 yards, 0 TDs and 1 INT.

[Micah Prescott]

The thing that makes the NFL so special is that it is chess on a battlefield. The playbooks and play calling alone dictate a lot of the game, something the players themselves aren't even in charge of.

This is the most complex sport there is.

But then we see Hurts go out there complete ZERO passes in the second half, and dudes are still like "Hurts just knows how to win, couldn't have done that without him, etc" it's baffling really.

[QB_Eagles]

The thing that makes the NFL so special is that it is chess on a battlefield. The playbooks and play calling alone dictate a lot of the game, something the players themselves aren't even in charge of.

This is the most complex sport there is.

But then we see Hurts go out there complete ZERO passes in the second half, and dudes are still like "Hurts just knows how to win, couldn't have done that without him, etc" it's baffling really.

I don't think anybody said this about him for that game particularly.

For other games though, yeah it's true.

Wouldn't you want a QB that just finds a way to win playoff games?

Rhetoric question; that's why we're having this discussion about the QB mattering as much as a soccer goalie in the first place.

[Micah Prescott]

The thing that makes the NFL so special is that it is chess on a battlefield. The playbooks and play calling alone dictate a lot of the game, something the players themselves aren't even in charge of.

This is the most complex sport there is.

But then we see Hurts go out there complete ZERO passes in the second half, and dudes are still like "Hurts just knows how to win, couldn't have done that without him, etc" it's baffling really.

I don't think anybody said this about him for that game particularly.

For other games though, yeah it's true.

Wouldn't you want a QB that just finds a way to win playoff games?

Rhetoric question; that's why we're having this discussion about the QB mattering as much as a soccer goalie in the first place.

Every QB that "finds a way to win" still had to rely on his teammates. Hurts wouldn't be able to "find a way to win" without that amazing o-line, and the reality is that they ALL "found a way to win" together and not just Hurts all by himself.

If that entire season was just Hurts vs Mahomes to you? Then you're robbing yourself of what actually makes the game great.

[Jaydubb]

The thing that makes the NFL so special is that it is chess on a battlefield. The playbooks and play calling alone dictate a lot of the game, something the players themselves aren't even in charge of.

This is the most complex sport there is.

But then we see Hurts go out there complete ZERO passes in the second half, and dudes are still like "Hurts just knows how to win, couldn't have done that without him, etc" it's baffling really.

Literally nobody said that.

[Micah Prescott]

Would Hurts have won a ring on any roster last season? I mean he "finds a way to win" right?

Did Stafford just magically get better when he joined the Rams? Or was he actually just placed on a better "TEAM"?

[El Turco]

Rams finally won because they finally got a great quarterback, that is pretty well established I think.

[Micah Prescott]

Rams finally won because they finally got a great quarterback, that is pretty well established I think.

He led the NFL in INTs that year No Pro Bowl nothing.

He had better years in Detroit but his TEAM wasn't as loaded.

The fans who "established" what you just said are fans who are incapable of seeing anything past who threw the ball, and unfortunately there are a lot of you out there.

[Cactus Jack]

Rams finally won because they finally got a great quarterback, that is pretty well established I think.

He led the NFL in INTs that year No Pro Bowl nothing.

He had better years in Detroit but his TEAM wasn't as loaded.

The fans who "established" what you just said are fans who are incapable of seeing anything past who threw the ball, and unfortunately there are a lot of you out there.

The Rams won because they faced a Jimmy G Niners team & lucked out by not having to play KC & Mahomes that year. The Super Bowl was also played in LA.

So, everything kind of aligned for them.

[El Turco]

If you knew anything about the NFL you’d know that when you throw for 4,800 yards, you’re bound to throw some interceptions. It means nothing—unless you think 70 percent of the quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame are garbage.

His playoff performance was more than enough to take a middling playoff team and turn them into a Super Bowl winner. They didn’t spend two first-round picks just to get another Jared Goff performance.

[Micah Prescott]

If you knew anything about the NFL you’d know that when you throw for 4,800 yards, you’re bound to throw some interceptions. It means nothing—unless you think 70 percent of the quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame are garbage.

His playoff performance was more than enough to take a middling playoff team and turn them into a Super Bowl winner. They didn’t spend two first-round picks just to get another Jared Goff performance.

2 INTs in the Super Bowl, guess that means nothing also. Rams held the Bengals to 20, also nothing, all Stafford.

Really strange how he didn't win in Detroit. I wonder what the difference was? I was thinking maybe the entire rest of the team and coaching staff, it's possible those other people actually affect the game. Just a thought.

[Micah Prescott]

Honestly, Stafford has always been a fringe top-10 QB almost every year he has played including his SB year. Like "a little above average", or "good but not great".

[El Turco]

If you knew anything about the NFL you’d know that when you throw for 4,800 yards, you’re bound to throw some interceptions. It means nothing—unless you think 70 percent of the quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame are garbage.

His playoff performance was more than enough to take a middling playoff team and turn them into a Super Bowl winner. They didn’t spend two first-round picks just to get another Jared Goff performance.

2 INTs in the Super Bowl, guess that means nothing also. Rams held the Bengals to 20, also nothing, all Stafford.

Really strange how he didn't win in Detroit. I wonder what the difference was? I was thinking maybe the entire rest of the team and coaching staff, it's possible those other people actually affect the game. Just a thought.

Really strange how that same coaching staff didnt win anything before he came over, like McVay had been there for 5 years and Rams hadnt won for 22 years. They get Stafford and all of the sudden, poof they got a super bowl ring on their hands lol

Like throwing over 1000yards in single playoffs mean nothing, like Jared Goff was making that game winning drive in Super Bowl and Rams threw two first round picks away just for Stafford's good looks

[El Turco]

Honestly, Stafford has always been a fringe top-10 QB almost every year he has played including his SB year. Like "a little above average", or "good but not great".

There have been few years he was around top 5, the super bowl year and the couple years preceding. More importantly he was much better than what Goff was giving them, especially at the time.