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[JayTWill]

If Brogdon makes the roster do people expect him and Clarkson to be in the rotation at the same time? I understand the desire for more ball handling and offensive options but how do these pieces fit together overall? There is only one ball and guys need to be able to impact the game in a positive way without the ball in their hands.

Yea why not? Brogdon isn’t really high usage, and Hart, Yabu, and Mitch are really low. There will be plenty of opportunities for Clarkson n Brogdon together.

Clarkson is also really good (37%) @ catch n shoot 3’s. 3 attempts per game last year. Brogdon also shot 37% on catch n shoot 3’s, but only took half as many.

Add in Yabu’s 39% on catch n shoot 3’s (3.7 attempts per game), and Hart’s ball movement, pushing the pace in transition, and ability to attack the rim, plus Brogdon/Clarkson/Hart throwing lobs to Mitch… I think that bench would be pretty dynamic offensively.

Only question is if that’s the lineup Brown goes with and if he plans on playing all 10.

That man does not know ball let alone Knicks ball of you think there would be a problem having both Brogdon & Clarkson. Our main issue last playoffs was needing offense from the bench. Kat could’ve played better but Brunson Mikal & OG carried their weight and then some during the playoffs. The issue was there was no offensive production from the bench. Even if their was Thibs was not going there to find out.

The Knicks had a defensive rating of 129, 124, 125 and 128 in their 4 losses to the Pacers. How does adding a couple of 33 year olds and their ball handling solve that? Sometimes offense is your best defense but the Pacers were able to get easy buckets even off of Knicks made baskets at times also. Shamet and Wright had the best net ratings in the ECF and it definitely wasn't because of their incredible ball handling. The Knicks first win in that series was coming back from double digits in the 4th with Brunson playing less than 3 minutes that quarter due to foul trouble and KAT at the 5 surrounded by good defenders. Brunson did help close the game out though.

The Knicks could definitely use more ball handling but you aren't just getting the positives of the ball handling with these guys. You get all their flaws also and there is only one ball at the end of the day. Brunson is an absolutely incredible player but it doesn't mean it would be a good idea to have 2 Brunsons together in a backcourt.

[spree8]

Folks went from not wanting Donovan Mitchell because they didn’t want an undersized backcourt to now being content with Deuce McBride and Brunson in the backcourt.

Is Deuce a starter on a championship team? Hard to imagine it. Didn’t he get abused in the playoffs?

Thats my issue, I really dont see Deuce as a starter on a championship team. The thing in his favor is this is the weakest I've seen the top teams in the NBA in a long time so it could work cause all these other teams are mid or injured. lol

I wanted Donovan Mitchell.. and Cleveland seems fine with the lack of size of him n Garland together so dunno why it’s hard to believe Brunson and Deuce (similar size/length to Donovan) could work. It’s really not an apples to apples comparison tho… Deuce is a very good defender, Donovan isn’t..

[spree8]

If you want to focus on catch and shoot 3's wouldn't Shamet and his 44.4% make much more sense? He is a 38.5% shooter for his career while Clarkson is a 33.6% shooter for his career. How do these guys adjust to less touches, shots and minutes and what do they offer without that? Brogdon shoots just as often as Payne did and Clarkson has made a career of shooting just as often as Brunson has.

In 23-24 the offense functioned better when everyone had a better defined role. Then they brought in Bogey and he never seemed to adjust to the smaller role of the bench for whatever reason.

I mentioned catch n shoot 3’s in response to your concern about Brogdon and Clarkson coexisting, to show that Clarkson plays well off ball too, and Brown does like motion offense.

I also mentioned their ability to move the ball as well as Hart’s…

I don’t think the FO signed Clarkson to have him sit behind Shamet… he’s the better overall player. Again, it’s not all about catch n shoot, there’s other aspects of the game…

I'm not really putting much stock into whatever numbers Brogdon put up in 24 games last year or the 37 Clarkson played. Clarkson shot 37% last year on catch and shoot 3's and he shot in the low 30's the previous three years. I see him as much more of a scorer than a shooter. I'm less concerned who the better overall player is and more concerned about who is the best fit in the role.

If Brogdon's addition has Clarkson playing primarily off ball with much lower attempts I believe someone like Shamet is better in that role. Shamet was just an example. It doesn't have to be Shamet or Clarkson. It could just be a 9 man rotation with McBride and Bridges getting all the minutes at the 2 as 3 and D players with Brunson and Brogdon at the 1. What makes Clarkson the better option overall for the team at the 2 if that becomes his role?

I'm not sure who makes the roster. I'm also not sure if the Knicks signing Clarkson at the vet min guarantees anything. I believe Payne was their first signing last off-season but then they went and pursued Tyus Jones who I assume would have pushed Payne out of the rotation. I assume Brown will give different guys opportunities throughout the year but I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't playing both Brogdon and Clarkson by the end of the year if they are both still available.

I think you’re going way too far down a hole of hypotheticals. I’m not too interested in all the different scenarios of the bench. All I’m saying is the guys we got there can play together. If you wanna nitpick apart numbers from 2-3 years ago, be my guest, but you’re just making yourself crazy. I think our bench will be fine… I’m more concerned about the bigger issues

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Folks went from not wanting Donovan Mitchell because they didn’t want an undersized backcourt to now being content with Deuce McBride and Brunson in the backcourt.

Is Deuce a starter on a championship team? Hard to imagine it. Didn’t he get abused in the playoffs?

Thats my issue, I really dont see Deuce as a starter on a championship team. The thing in his favor is this is the weakest I've seen the top teams in the NBA in a long time so it could work cause all these other teams are mid or injured. lol

I wanted Donovan Mitchell.. and Cleveland seems fine with the lack of size of him n Garland together so dunno why it’s hard to believe Brunson and Deuce (similar size/length to Donovan) could work. It’s really not an apples to apples comparison tho… Deuce is a very good defender, Donovan isn’t..

If we are adding Donovan to this current team it would be a no brainer upgrade. The issue is the trade back then would mean we would not have OG and some other key pieces, I forgot all the details.

[Gravy]

Josh Hart is probably my favorite knick. I love what he brings. I just want to maximize KAT in the starting lineup. The way to do that is to make sure a center has to guard him. When teams had to do that early in the season we were in the running for the best offense in basketball...once teams pivoted to a center on hart and a wing on KAT our offense turned mediocre at best.

Sounds like thats a KAT problem if he cant abuse shorter wings. We'll see if MB can do something to fix that.

Yeah that’s been a big issue for him throughout his career

Its all speculation about how Brown will fix everything wrong with the offense. I gotta see it on the court first when they actually play..

[3toheadmelo]

I mentioned catch n shoot 3’s in response to your concern about Brogdon and Clarkson coexisting, to show that Clarkson plays well off ball too, and Brown does like motion offense.

I also mentioned their ability to move the ball as well as Hart’s…

I don’t think the FO signed Clarkson to have him sit behind Shamet… he’s the better overall player. Again, it’s not all about catch n shoot, there’s other aspects of the game…

I'm not really putting much stock into whatever numbers Brogdon put up in 24 games last year or the 37 Clarkson played. Clarkson shot 37% last year on catch and shoot 3's and he shot in the low 30's the previous three years. I see him as much more of a scorer than a shooter. I'm less concerned who the better overall player is and more concerned about who is the best fit in the role.

If Brogdon's addition has Clarkson playing primarily off ball with much lower attempts I believe someone like Shamet is better in that role. Shamet was just an example. It doesn't have to be Shamet or Clarkson. It could just be a 9 man rotation with McBride and Bridges getting all the minutes at the 2 as 3 and D players with Brunson and Brogdon at the 1. What makes Clarkson the better option overall for the team at the 2 if that becomes his role?

I'm not sure who makes the roster. I'm also not sure if the Knicks signing Clarkson at the vet min guarantees anything. I believe Payne was their first signing last off-season but then they went and pursued Tyus Jones who I assume would have pushed Payne out of the rotation. I assume Brown will give different guys opportunities throughout the year but I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't playing both Brogdon and Clarkson by the end of the year if they are both still available.

I think you’re going way too far down a hole of hypotheticals. I’m not too interested in all the different scenarios of the bench. All I’m saying is the guys we got there can play together. If you wanna nitpick apart numbers from 2-3 years ago, be my guest, but you’re just making yourself crazy. I think our bench will be fine… I’m more concerned about the bigger issues

Yea I think our bench is solid and can fit together. Also agree that I highly doubt Shamet will be playing over Clarkson. Mike brown was talking highly about Clarkson like in July.

[JayTWill]

I mentioned catch n shoot 3’s in response to your concern about Brogdon and Clarkson coexisting, to show that Clarkson plays well off ball too, and Brown does like motion offense.

I also mentioned their ability to move the ball as well as Hart’s…

I don’t think the FO signed Clarkson to have him sit behind Shamet… he’s the better overall player. Again, it’s not all about catch n shoot, there’s other aspects of the game…

I'm not really putting much stock into whatever numbers Brogdon put up in 24 games last year or the 37 Clarkson played. Clarkson shot 37% last year on catch and shoot 3's and he shot in the low 30's the previous three years. I see him as much more of a scorer than a shooter. I'm less concerned who the better overall player is and more concerned about who is the best fit in the role.

If Brogdon's addition has Clarkson playing primarily off ball with much lower attempts I believe someone like Shamet is better in that role. Shamet was just an example. It doesn't have to be Shamet or Clarkson. It could just be a 9 man rotation with McBride and Bridges getting all the minutes at the 2 as 3 and D players with Brunson and Brogdon at the 1. What makes Clarkson the better option overall for the team at the 2 if that becomes his role?

I'm not sure who makes the roster. I'm also not sure if the Knicks signing Clarkson at the vet min guarantees anything. I believe Payne was their first signing last off-season but then they went and pursued Tyus Jones who I assume would have pushed Payne out of the rotation. I assume Brown will give different guys opportunities throughout the year but I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't playing both Brogdon and Clarkson by the end of the year if they are both still available.

I think you’re going way too far down a hole of hypotheticals. I’m not too interested in all the different scenarios of the bench. All I’m saying is the guys we got there can play together. If you wanna nitpick apart numbers from 2-3 years ago, be my guest, but you’re just making yourself crazy. I think our bench will be fine… I’m more concerned about the bigger issues

I was just trying to look at a bigger sample size than 20-30 something games. Personally my biggest issues with the team last year were the overall defense and how guys played off of one another. KAT and Brunson are super talented but they didn't exactly elevate one another on either end of the court which is part of the reason I was asking about the fit of Brogdon and Clarkson overall. What are your biggest concerns?

[stuporman]

Of course, Brown is going to pace the mins of starters and give the bench more time...he didn't get hired by saying he wouldn't considering the issues the FO had with the previous coach.

This isn't news.

[3toheadmelo]

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Mikal’s hitch looking crazy here

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We know he wasn’t hired because he is a good coach but they did feel like he would make a good puppet

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Mikal’s hitch looking crazy here

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This shyt looks like the same form from last year. Did he work on anything this summer?

[JayTWill]

Didn't Mikal shoot great percentages for the season outside of the above the break 3? Unless that hitch only affected that one particular shot i'm not sure why he would make some dramatic changes. He just seemed to be bad at pull up threes. He also lost 1 full percentage point on last second heaves that other players avoid but I heard the league won't count that against their percentages this year in the first 3 quarters of the game.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Didn't Mikal shoot great percentages for the season outside of the above the break 3? Unless that hitch only affected that one particular shot i'm not sure why he would make some dramatic changes. He just seemed to be bad at pull up threes. He also lost 1 full percentage point on last second heaves that other players avoid but I heard the league won't count that against their percentages this year in the first 3 quarters of the game.

People have been nit picking this dude since the preseason last year. It's been non stop.

[mpharris36]

Didn't Mikal shoot great percentages for the season outside of the above the break 3? Unless that hitch only affected that one particular shot i'm not sure why he would make some dramatic changes. He just seemed to be bad at pull up threes. He also lost 1 full percentage point on last second heaves that other players avoid but I heard the league won't count that against their percentages this year in the first 3 quarters of the game.

People have been nit picking this dude since the preseason last year. It's been non stop.

He shot only 30% on wing 3's and that needs to improve and he doesn't take too many ATB 3's....so if he's playing the 2 guard which people want with Mitch starting. We really only have 2 strong wing/ATB 3 point shooters in Brunson and KAT. It limits are spacing.

OG is better in the corner (evne though he was pretty solid at wing 3's last year but career wise he is far better in the corner).

That is what made Donte so effective in our offense because he thrived at wing 3's and that shot is open a lot with the pressure Brunson put on the defense and teams not wanting to give up corner 3's.

Mcbride on the other hand shot 40% on wing 3's last year so that is a very efficient shot for him and really helps space the floor.

[JayTWill]

Didn't Mikal shoot great percentages for the season outside of the above the break 3? Unless that hitch only affected that one particular shot i'm not sure why he would make some dramatic changes. He just seemed to be bad at pull up threes. He also lost 1 full percentage point on last second heaves that other players avoid but I heard the league won't count that against their percentages this year in the first 3 quarters of the game.

People have been nit picking this dude since the preseason last year. It's been non stop.

He shot only 30% on wing 3's and that needs to improve and he doesn't take too many ATB 3's....so if he's playing the 2 guard which people want with Mitch starting. We really only have 2 strong wing/ATB 3 point shooters in Brunson and KAT. It limits are spacing.

OG is better in the corner (evne though he was pretty solid at wing 3's last year but career wise he is far better in the corner).

That is what made Donte so effective in our offense because he thrived at wing 3's and that shot is open a lot with the pressure Brunson put on the defense and teams not wanting to give up corner 3's.

Mcbride on the other hand shot 40% on wing 3's last year so that is a very efficient shot for him and really helps space the floor.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*mikal&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&PerMode=PerGame&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

[Wildcat]

People have been nit picking this dude since the preseason last year. It's been non stop.

He shot only 30% on wing 3's and that needs to improve and he doesn't take too many ATB 3's....so if he's playing the 2 guard which people want with Mitch starting. We really only have 2 strong wing/ATB 3 point shooters in Brunson and KAT. It limits are spacing.

OG is better in the corner (evne though he was pretty solid at wing 3's last year but career wise he is far better in the corner).

That is what made Donte so effective in our offense because he thrived at wing 3's and that shot is open a lot with the pressure Brunson put on the defense and teams not wanting to give up corner 3's.

Mcbride on the other hand shot 40% on wing 3's last year so that is a very efficient shot for him and really helps space the floor.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?SeasonType=Regular+Season&DistanceRange=By+Zone&PerMode=PerGame

It's hard to accept and admit that Hart was a better Above the Break 3PT shooter than Bridges. What a weird year this guy had, because he was basically their best player at corner 3's.

[Jonathan2347]

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[mpharris36]

People have been nit picking this dude since the preseason last year. It's been non stop.

He shot only 30% on wing 3's and that needs to improve and he doesn't take too many ATB 3's....so if he's playing the 2 guard which people want with Mitch starting. We really only have 2 strong wing/ATB 3 point shooters in Brunson and KAT. It limits are spacing.

OG is better in the corner (evne though he was pretty solid at wing 3's last year but career wise he is far better in the corner).

That is what made Donte so effective in our offense because he thrived at wing 3's and that shot is open a lot with the pressure Brunson put on the defense and teams not wanting to give up corner 3's.

Mcbride on the other hand shot 40% on wing 3's last year so that is a very efficient shot for him and really helps space the floor.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*mikal&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&PerMode=PerGame&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mikal-bridges-shot-chart-2025

NBA.com only has corner 3's and classifies everything else as ATB 3's.

As you can see his corner 3's are over 40% as NBA.com stats...but if the elbow wing 3's need to go up to the 35% range.

[JayTWill]

He shot only 30% on wing 3's and that needs to improve and he doesn't take too many ATB 3's....so if he's playing the 2 guard which people want with Mitch starting. We really only have 2 strong wing/ATB 3 point shooters in Brunson and KAT. It limits are spacing.

OG is better in the corner (evne though he was pretty solid at wing 3's last year but career wise he is far better in the corner).

That is what made Donte so effective in our offense because he thrived at wing 3's and that shot is open a lot with the pressure Brunson put on the defense and teams not wanting to give up corner 3's.

Mcbride on the other hand shot 40% on wing 3's last year so that is a very efficient shot for him and really helps space the floor.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?CF=PLAYER_NAME*E*mikal&DistanceRange=By%20Zone&PerMode=PerGame&Season=2024-25&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/mikal-bridges-shot-chart-2025

NBA.com only has corner 3's and classifies everything else as ATB 3's.

As you can see his corner 3's are over 40% as NBA.com stats...but if the elbow wing 3's need to go up to the 35% range.

Isn't what you consider a wing three above the break? I believe every attempt behind the part of the line that is parallel to the sidelines is considered a corner 3. Every attempt from behind the curved part of the line is above the break. I was always told that "The break" is where those two places meet. You seem to be differentiating wing threes from threes taken around the top of the arc.