Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

Onus · Post #3681 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 11:51 am

watch1958 wrote:
Onus wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:He would still be RFA but the QO would no longer be an option.

As well as any leverage he has. So jk is signing something Oct 1st

But what if he decides to sit out, and see if some team has an injury, or gets desperate?

No team has capspace more than 11M. He can't threaten to sign the qo. So he can only sign an offer from another team or whatever we decide to offer him. Otherwise his rfa just sticks with him the following year. Worst case scenario he sits out a year and we go through this again. But his market would be even worse sitting out a year.

statsman · Post #3682 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 12:28 pm

Senchu wrote:So deadline is in how many hours?

All qualifying offers not extended expire tomorrow (Wednesday, October 1st) at 11:59pm ET. About 39.5 hours from the time of this post.

Onus · Post #3683 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 12:46 pm

With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

azwfan · Post #3684 » by **azwfan** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 1:07 pm

Onus wrote:With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

Onus · Post #3685 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:15 pm

azwfan wrote:
Onus wrote:With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

Yea that's why I think it's the 2+1 team option. I just wonder if he's going to lose out on that 4M because he waited too long and we want to sign Seth.

bay2hk · Post #3686 » by **bay2hk** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:37 pm

We should just sign Seth to punish him for making us wait. He will then feel compelled to sign the QO to *get back at the warriors*

Child’s play is what all this is.

whatisacenter · Post #3687 » by **whatisacenter** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:13 pm

bay2hk wrote:We should just sign Seth to punish him for making us wait. He will then feel compelled to sign the QO to *get back at the warriors*

Child’s play is what all this is.

statsman · Post #3688 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:17 pm

What started as a thread for exploring Kuminga S&T options has veered far away from that. Many, many pages ago.

Given what has transpired this offseason, a S&T was likely the best overall option for everyone involved. It's too bad there wasn't a decent S&T offered.

Onus · Post #3689 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:28 pm

statsman wrote:What started as a thread for exploring Kuminga S&T options has veered far away from that. Many, many pages ago.

Given what has transpired this offseason, a S&T was likely the best overall option for everyone involved. It's too bad there wasn't a decent S&T offered.

The market is what the market offers. JK just doesn't have a lot of value and a lot of teams are just outright uninterested.

Seriously JK is just salary filler and we should've added draft picks to get a better fitting piece but Lacob is more interested in getting Giannis in 2027 rather than winning a championship in 2026

whatisacenter · Post #3690 » by **whatisacenter** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:37 pm

Onus wrote:
statsman wrote:What started as a thread for exploring Kuminga S&T options has veered far away from that. Many, many pages ago.

Given what has transpired this offseason, a S&T was likely the best overall option for everyone involved. It's too bad there wasn't a decent S&T offered.

The market is what the market offers. JK just doesn't have a lot of value and a lot of teams are just outright uninterested.

Seriously JK is just salary filler and we should've added draft picks to get a better fitting piece but Lacob is more interested in getting Giannis in 2027 rather than winning a championship in 2026

I wouldn't confuse the RFA market for a player to be what the UFA market would be for them.

Time will tell.

Onus · Post #3691 » by **Onus** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:43 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:
statsman wrote:What started as a thread for exploring Kuminga S&T options has veered far away from that. Many, many pages ago.

Given what has transpired this offseason, a S&T was likely the best overall option for everyone involved. It's too bad there wasn't a decent S&T offered.

The market is what the market offers. JK just doesn't have a lot of value and a lot of teams are just outright uninterested.

Seriously JK is just salary filler and we should've added draft picks to get a better fitting piece but Lacob is more interested in getting Giannis in 2027 rather than winning a championship in 2026

I wouldn't confuse the RFA market for a player to be what the UFA market would be for them.

Time will tell.

It's come out that both Toronto and Utah wanted no part of JK. This was before any type of FA.

The teams that are interested are teams that want to take a gamble.

Like I said I doubt we trade him because Lacob isn't going to like any of the returns we get for him, which is why we should just get him on the longest cheapest contract.

Twinkie defense · Post #3692 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:57 pm

azwfan wrote:
Onus wrote:With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Twinkie defense · Post #3693 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 4:58 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
Onus wrote:
statsman wrote:What started as a thread for exploring Kuminga S&T options has veered far away from that. Many, many pages ago.

Given what has transpired this offseason, a S&T was likely the best overall option for everyone involved. It's too bad there wasn't a decent S&T offered.

The market is what the market offers. JK just doesn't have a lot of value and a lot of teams are just outright uninterested.

Seriously JK is just salary filler and we should've added draft picks to get a better fitting piece but Lacob is more interested in getting Giannis in 2027 rather than winning a championship in 2026

I wouldn't confuse the RFA market for a player to be what the UFA market would be for them.

Time will tell.

If he was unrestricted this summer I think his market would be around $15 mil starting salary - the NTPMLE.

azwfan · Post #3694 » by **azwfan** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:11 pm

Twinkie defense wrote:
azwfan wrote:
Onus wrote:With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

statsman · Post #3695 » by **statsman** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 5:14 pm

azwfan wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
azwfan wrote:I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

Have the Warriors ever come out and explicitly stated what any of their offers have been (and are right now)? I wouldn't expect them to, but maybe I missed it.

Old_Blue · Post #3696 » by **Old_Blue** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:03 pm

With 37 hours or so to go, the only question is whether Kuminga and Turner fold 'em, walk away or run.

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basketballwacko2 · Post #3697 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:37 pm

Onus wrote:With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I'd say a 1+1 at $20-21 million with the 2nd year player option. Would the Nets want him? I don't know exact numbers on which teams have space, I think only the Nets have space, but would have to send something back if they gave him $20 million. I don't have him worth 25 million per year.

Twinkie defense · Post #3698 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:38 pm

azwfan wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:
azwfan wrote:I think he signs whichever contract has the most guaranteed money to him. Well thats what I would do if I were him.

That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

Do you mean the Warriors didn't offer Kuminga a 3-year, $54 mil deal with no team option? That's been widely reported, and I believe confirmed by Kuminga's agent.

The Warriors obviously have a baseline for what they'd like to pay and have presented version of that same offer to give Kuminga the opportunity to choose what's most important to him - more guaranteed total money? Quicker path to free agency? No team option?

By taking away the team option per Kuminga's request, the Warriors reduced the annual value of the deal, which is a totally rational and reasonable approach to negotiations, which aren't one-sided - you get something (removal of the team option), you give something (reduced AAV).

basketballwacko2 · Post #3699 » by **basketballwacko2** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:39 pm

He could take the QO and ask the W's to trade him as soon as they can.

Twinkie defense · Post #3700 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Sep 30, 2025 6:39 pm

statsman wrote:
azwfan wrote:
Twinkie defense wrote:That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

Have the Warriors ever come out and explicitly stated what any of their offers have been (and are right now)? I wouldn't expect them to, but maybe I missed it.

Variations were publicly released - there are nice charts out there that show all of the elements of each deal - and Kuminga's agent confirmed those offers on his media tour.