Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[statsman]

He could take the QO and ask the W's to trade him as soon as they can.

The team acquiring him under a QO would not have his Bird rights. As little as teams are offering for a S&T now, I would imagine any offer for Kuminga on a QO would be pure poison or crap for the Warriors.

[Twinkie defense]

With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I'd say a 1+1 at $20-21 million with the 2nd year player option.

Warriors wouldn't do that - the only reason they are offering Kuminga a fat raise on the QO ($7.9 mil vs. $20-21 mil in your scenario) is to pay him in exchange for gaining the ability to trade him. And nobody is trading for a half-year rental of Kuminga.

[whatisacenter]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

[statsman]

A player option in the second season pretty much kills Kuminga's trade value. A player option in the third season might be palatable, but the other team is going to want a starting salary lower than $20M.

[Onus]

With < 40 hrs remaining what does everyone think JK will sign?

I think he's going to sign the 2+1, what will be interesting is if it's 3/71 or 3/75

I'd say a 1+1 at $20-21 million with the 2nd year player option. Would the Nets want him? I don't know exact numbers on which teams have space, I think only the Nets have space, but would have to send something back if they gave him $20 million. I don't have him worth 25 million per year.

Highly doubt we offer a player option.

[Onus]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

I hope he does because I love it when people stand on principles and not let money run them. But I don't think there are a lot of people like that, let alone willing to walk away from 25+M over 2 years.

[Old_Blue]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

I hope he does because I love it when people stand on principles and not let money run them. But I don't think there are a lot of people like that, let alone willing to walk away from 25+M over 2 years.

Kuminga and his agent's first offer to the Dubs was for a max contract. If you're looking for principles, you aren't going to find it in Kuminga's camp.

[EvanZ]

In some sense we already know that going from a team option to guaranteed third year reduced what the Warriors were willing to give by $20M. So imagine how much less they would value the PO which is even worse. That’s kind of why I think the only other possible compromise that could be made is just 2/48 or around there with no options.

[statsman]

In some sense we already know that going from a team option to guaranteed third year reduced what the Warriors were willing to give by $20M. So imagine how much less they would value the PO which is even worse. That’s kind of why I think the only other possible compromise that could be made is just 2/48 or around there with no options.

They can't pay him 2/48. That first season would take the Warriors over the 2nd apron, assuming they use the 15th roster slot for Seth or someone else.

Along those lines, the Warriors can't offer the 3/75.2 contract because of the 2nd apron issues. It would need to be something like 3/70 for 2nd apron space for at least a pro-rated vet minimum for half a season (injury replacement player).

[ChuckDurn]

I’m a little skeptical that the 3-year deal with no option was actually $54M; yes, you’d expect it to be less than the deal with the team option, but the gap between $54M and $75M (with the team option) seems way too high.

Think of it this way….. in the first two years of the $3/75M TO deal, Kuminga is making $48M guaranteed. He’s only guaranteed $6M more for year 3 on the 3/$54M “no option” deal, as opposed to maybe making $27M if the team picks up his option? There’s absolutely no way any agent would tell him to sign the 3/$54M deal as opposed to the $3/75M deal.

I could actually see something like this as viable choices:
- 3 years, $75M with a team option (~$25M/year)
- 3 years, $65M with no options (~$21.7M/year)
- 3 years, $55M with player option ($18.3M/year)

The step down from $75M to $54M just seems way to much to turn it from a team option to fully guaranteed. I could see it as from team option to a player option, but not to the “middle step” of no options. Methinks something’s fishy with how that offer is being depicted.

[statsman]

I’m a little skeptical that the 3-year deal with no option was actually $54M; yes, you’d expect it to be less than the deal with the team option, but the gap between $54M and $75M (with the team option) seems way too high.

Think of it this way….. in the first two years of the $3/75M TO deal, Kuminga is making $48M guaranteed. He’s only guaranteed $6M more for year 3 on the 3/$54M “no option” deal, as opposed to maybe making $27M if the team picks up his option? There’s absolutely no way any agent would tell him to sign the 3/$54M deal as opposed to the $3/75M deal.

I could actually see something like this as viable choices:
- 3 years, $75M with a team option (~$25M/year)
- 3 years, $65M with no options (~$21.7M/year)
- 3 years, $55M with player option ($18.3M/year)

The step down from $75M to $54M just seems way to much to turn it from a team option to fully guaranteed. I could see it as from team option to a player option, but not to the “middle step” of no options. Methinks something’s fishy with how that offer is being depicted.

Adjust the 3/75.2 (this is what was reported) downward. With a 15th player on the roster (Seth or someone else), they exceed the 2nd apron with that contract.

[EvanZ]

In some sense we already know that going from a team option to guaranteed third year reduced what the Warriors were willing to give by $20M. So imagine how much less they would value the PO which is even worse. That’s kind of why I think the only other possible compromise that could be made is just 2/48 or around there with no options.

They can't pay him 2/48. That first season would take the Warriors over the 2nd apron, assuming they use the 15th roster slot for Seth or someone else.

Along those lines, the Warriors can't offer the 3/75.2 contract because of the 2nd apron issues. It would need to be something like 3/70 for 2nd apron space for at least a pro-rated vet minimum for half a season (injury replacement player).

I'm sure they can figure it out. The deal can be descending or it can just be a somewhat lower amount. 2/46 or whatever. Those are minor details.

[EvanZ]

I’m a little skeptical that the 3-year deal with no option was actually $54M; yes, you’d expect it to be less than the deal with the team option, but the gap between $54M and $75M (with the team option) seems way too high.

Think of it this way….. in the first two years of the $3/75M TO deal, Kuminga is making $48M guaranteed. He’s only guaranteed $6M more for year 3 on the 3/$54M “no option” deal, as opposed to maybe making $27M if the team picks up his option? There’s absolutely no way any agent would tell him to sign the 3/$54M deal as opposed to the $3/75M deal.

I could actually see something like this as viable choices:
- 3 years, $75M with a team option (~$25M/year)
- 3 years, $65M with no options (~$21.7M/year)
- 3 years, $55M with player option ($18.3M/year)

The step down from $75M to $54M just seems way to much to turn it from a team option to fully guaranteed. I could see it as from team option to a player option, but not to the “middle step” of no options. Methinks something’s fishy with how that offer is being depicted.

I mean they would have said PO if it was a PO. I'm not sure how else it could have been reported "mistakenly" if it's not 3/54 guaranteed. We know it's not the TO deal. And it's clearly not the PO deal (would have been reported that way). What else could it be?

[Onus]

I’m a little skeptical that the 3-year deal with no option was actually $54M; yes, you’d expect it to be less than the deal with the team option, but the gap between $54M and $75M (with the team option) seems way too high.

Think of it this way….. in the first two years of the $3/75M TO deal, Kuminga is making $48M guaranteed. He’s only guaranteed $6M more for year 3 on the 3/$54M “no option” deal, as opposed to maybe making $27M if the team picks up his option? There’s absolutely no way any agent would tell him to sign the 3/$54M deal as opposed to the $3/75M deal.

I could actually see something like this as viable choices:
- 3 years, $75M with a team option (~$25M/year)
- 3 years, $65M with no options (~$21.7M/year)
- 3 years, $55M with player option ($18.3M/year)

The step down from $75M to $54M just seems way to much to turn it from a team option to fully guaranteed. I could see it as from team option to a player option, but not to the “middle step” of no options. Methinks something’s fishy with how that offer is being depicted.

Adjust the 3/75.2 (this is what was reported) downward. With a 15th player on the roster (Seth or someone else), they exceed the 2nd apron with that contract.

they don't need to sign Seth, which is why I'm very curious as to what the current offer is. If it is 3/75 then we're running with 14 and Seth is out. Imagine cutting out Seth so that JK can get 4M more over 3 years. I don't think Steph would be upset about it but he definitely going to hear about it at family gatherings.

Which would be funny that the offer would now be 3/71 because JK took too long to sign his deal, so his dragging this out would cost him money.

I'm really not sure why there's a 3 year deal on the table. It really should just be 2 year deal.

[statsman]

In some sense we already know that going from a team option to guaranteed third year reduced what the Warriors were willing to give by $20M. So imagine how much less they would value the PO which is even worse. That’s kind of why I think the only other possible compromise that could be made is just 2/48 or around there with no options.

They can't pay him 2/48. That first season would take the Warriors over the 2nd apron, assuming they use the 15th roster slot for Seth or someone else.

Along those lines, the Warriors can't offer the 3/75.2 contract because of the 2nd apron issues. It would need to be something like 3/70 for 2nd apron space for at least a pro-rated vet minimum for half a season (injury replacement player).

I'm sure they can figure it out. The deal can be descending or it can just be a somewhat lower amount. 2/46 or whatever. Those are minor details.

It can't be descending. That makes it higher this season and a worse problem with the 2nd apron. It will have to be lower (3/75 -> 3/70; the 2/45 works under the 2nd apron).

[Onus]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

I hope he does because I love it when people stand on principles and not let money run them. But I don't think there are a lot of people like that, let alone willing to walk away from 25+M over 2 years.

Kuminga and his agent's first offer to the Dubs was for a max contract. If you're looking for principles, you aren't going to find it in Kuminga's camp.

Asking for a max contract is a pretty standard principle for most.

[Old_Blue]

I hope he does because I love it when people stand on principles and not let money run them. But I don't think there are a lot of people like that, let alone willing to walk away from 25+M over 2 years.

Kuminga and his agent's first offer to the Dubs was for a max contract. If you're looking for principles, you aren't going to find it in Kuminga's camp.

Asking for a max contract is a pretty standard principle for most.

Not for a player with the kind of holes in his game that Kuminga has. Taken in the same draft, Trey Murphy signed a 4 year / $112 million deal with the Pelicans approximately a year ago. WTF was Kuminga thinking asking for 5 years / $224 million?

[Twinkie defense]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

Not much chance of that - but if he does, Warriors have a lot more money and he still plays for them this season.

[Twinkie defense]

I think he signs the QO if the Warriors don’t offer him a different contract than what’s already on the table.

I hope he does because I love it when people stand on principles and not let money run them. But I don't think there are a lot of people like that, let alone willing to walk away from 25+M over 2 years.

What exactly is the principle though? They're saying Kuminga will sign if the Warriors guarantee him more money.

[Twinkie defense]

I’m a little skeptical that the 3-year deal with no option was actually $54M; yes, you’d expect it to be less than the deal with the team option, but the gap between $54M and $75M (with the team option) seems way too high.

That third year is fake money though.