Bulls re-sign Josh Giddey - 4/100- no options, fully guaranteed

[Ice Man]

He might flat out suck balls to the point he gets waived and goes back down under for the rest of his career. Ben Simmons-ish.

That seems unlikely. Aside from injuries, which I grant is always a possibility, Ben fell apart because of bad attitude and because he positively, absolutely cannot make jump shots (or even take them). Neither are true of Giddey.

[DuckIII]

He might flat out suck balls to the point he gets waived and goes back down under for the rest of his career. Ben Simmons-ish.

That seems unlikely. Aside from injuries, which I grant is always a possibility, Ben fell apart because of bad attitude and because he positively, absolutely cannot make jump shots (or even take them). Neither are true of Giddey.

I wasn’t being serious.

[Ice Man]

He might flat out suck balls to the point he gets waived and goes back down under for the rest of his career. Ben Simmons-ish.

That seems unlikely. Aside from injuries, which I grant is always a possibility, Ben fell apart because of bad attitude and because he positively, absolutely cannot make jump shots (or even take them). Neither are true of Giddey.

I wasn’t being serious.

That's what I get for reading too quickly.

[Indomitable]

I'm not the biggest Giddey guy, but he didn't make ESPN's top 100 players. That feels way off to me.

Popularity contest after the top 10.

[MissileMike]

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[DropStep]

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Designed to be ripped up in favor of a bigger extension...or, turn him into an expiring contract, if that's the way the winds blow.

A total wait and see contract for everybody. The Warriors should have folded Kuminga's contract offer into an origami shrug emoji.

[kodo]

Interesting so basically GS won their game of chicken w/ JK's QO threat.
Giddey basically won his game of chicken, although not the same situation since Chicago hasn't been shy in saying they want him long term and see him as one of our two potential stars.

[Stratmaster]

Interesting so basically GS won their game of chicken w/ JK's QO threat.
Giddey basically won his game of chicken, although not the same situation since Chicago hasn't been shy in saying they want him long term and see him as one of our two potential stars.

I'm confused. Instead of "proving himself" by taking the QO, JK is getting 24-25 million to prove himself. He turned down 3/75 and will have control after 2 seasons instead of 3. GS original 2 year offer was said to be 40 mil. I guess since it was rumored they don't want him at all the team option is a win. But if you don't want him at all...then...

Don't take that wrong. I don't think JK won the negotiations by any means. I think both sides knew they had to do something and met in the middle.

[dougthonus]

Interesting so basically GS won their game of chicken w/ JK's QO threat.
Giddey basically won his game of chicken, although not the same situation since Chicago hasn't been shy in saying they want him long term and see him as one of our two potential stars.

I noted awhile back that it was inevitable that GS would "win", because GS wasn't offering him a bad deal.

If he took the QO, he would need to sign a max deal the next year to make up for the money he'd lose on this two year deal. That would be insane. There was no upside for Kuminga to do anything other than take this two year deal, he had no path to win by taking the QO no matter how well he played.

If I were GS, I'd have probably played even more hardball and lowered this offer to something where there was some tiny wiggle room to win on the QO, but very small, say 2/42M so that I had more flexibility under the apron this year. Even that would have been a really good deal under the circumstances as Kuminga would need over 34.1M the following year to break even (highly unlikely).

Ultimately, I think GS took the 0 risk path by offering him the deal that Kuminga would simply be hurting himself significantly if he turned it down with no path to come out ahead and then called his bluff because they knew mathematically there was no way for him to come out ahead.

[jnrjr79]

Interesting so basically GS won their game of chicken w/ JK's QO threat.
Giddey basically won his game of chicken, although not the same situation since Chicago hasn't been shy in saying they want him long term and see him as one of our two potential stars.

I noted awhile back that it was inevitable that GS would "win", because GS wasn't offering him a bad deal.

If he took the QO, he would need to sign a max deal the next year to make up for the money he'd lose on this two year deal. That would be insane. There was no upside for Kuminga to do anything other than take this two year deal, he had no path to win by taking the QO no matter how well he played.

If I were GS, I'd have probably played even more hardball and lowered this offer to something where there was some tiny wiggle room to win on the QO, but very small, say 2/42M so that I had more flexibility under the apron this year. Even that would have been a really good deal under the circumstances as Kuminga would need over 34.1M the following year to break even (highly unlikely).

Ultimately, I think GS took the 0 risk path by offering him the deal that Kuminga would simply be hurting himself significantly if he turned it down with no path to come out ahead and then called his bluff because they knew mathematically there was no way for him to come out ahead.

Yeah, it seems like GS's real concern was just making sure they did not sign Kuminga to a deal large enough to screw up their acquisition of Horford, given their financial constraints. They didn't really have any wiggle room to go above this, and even this deal seems to be affecting the timing of when they can bring in Seth Curry.

[sco]

Interesting so basically GS won their game of chicken w/ JK's QO threat.
Giddey basically won his game of chicken, although not the same situation since Chicago hasn't been shy in saying they want him long term and see him as one of our two potential stars.

I noted awhile back that it was inevitable that GS would "win", because GS wasn't offering him a bad deal.

If he took the QO, he would need to sign a max deal the next year to make up for the money he'd lose on this two year deal. That would be insane. There was no upside for Kuminga to do anything other than take this two year deal, he had no path to win by taking the QO no matter how well he played.

If I were GS, I'd have probably played even more hardball and lowered this offer to something where there was some tiny wiggle room to win on the QO, but very small, say 2/42M so that I had more flexibility under the apron this year. Even that would have been a really good deal under the circumstances as Kuminga would need over 34.1M the following year to break even (highly unlikely).

Ultimately, I think GS took the 0 risk path by offering him the deal that Kuminga would simply be hurting himself significantly if he turned it down with no path to come out ahead and then called his bluff because they knew mathematically there was no way for him to come out ahead.

Yeah, it seems like GS's real concern was just making sure they did not sign Kuminga to a deal large enough to screw up their acquisition of Horford, given their financial constraints. They didn't really have any wiggle room to go above this, and even this deal seems to be affecting the timing of when they can bring in Seth Curry.

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

[dougthonus]

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

I generally agree. The Warriors must have just really not liked Malik Monk and viewed him as a negative asset, and I'd assume they looked around the league to see if they could swap Monk for something else they liked and could not. Kind of looking at Monk's productivity, I could see where they simply viewed him as a bad contract.

[kodo]

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

That would have been interesting, Kuminga is SAC. Interesting as in a one dimensional scorer is the last thing SAC needs another of.

The trade for Kuminga GS wanted, Josh Giddey, is always going to be the most interesting "what if" for these two.
Giddey in GS w/ Steph & Butler, vs
Kumina in CHI with Coby & Vuc.

[sco]

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

That would have been interesting, Kuminga is SAC. Interesting as in a one dimensional scorer is the last thing SAC needs another of.

The trade for Kuminga GS wanted, Josh Giddey, is always going to be the most interesting "what if" for these two.
Giddey in GS w/ Steph & Butler, vs
Kumina in CHI with Coby & Vuc.

Giddey may be flawed, but IMO he's a lot less flawed than Kuminga.

I see Kuminga as a worse, PF, version of Coby. A guy whose value is scoring, albeit not very efficiently, who isn't a good defender. IMO that's a problem because if he isn't your #1 option (which I don't see), he creates roster problems to compensate for his shortcomings.

[Red Larrivee]

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

That would have been interesting, Kuminga is SAC. Interesting as in a one dimensional scorer is the last thing SAC needs another of.

The trade for Kuminga GS wanted, Josh Giddey, is always going to be the most interesting "what if" for these two.
Giddey in GS w/ Steph & Butler, vs
Kumina in CHI with Coby & Vuc.

I honestly couldn't think of worse fits for either player than a double s&t.

[meekrab]

I still think GS was nuts to turn down the deal that SAC was offering.

That would have been interesting, Kuminga is SAC. Interesting as in a one dimensional scorer is the last thing SAC needs another of.

The trade for Kuminga GS wanted, Josh Giddey, is always going to be the most interesting "what if" for these two.
Giddey in GS w/ Steph & Butler, vs
Kumina in CHI with Coby & Vuc.

I honestly couldn't think of worse fits for either player than a double s&t.

Also nearly impossible to make legal under the CBA thanks to how salary works in a S&T.