SHAMS: Jonathan Kuminga back to Golden State ($48.5MM/2, 1+1 Team Option)

[NW]

Jerami Grant would be great.

Great to stay right where he is in Portland

[babyjax13]

How so?

We should give the reigns to a mid scorer with low b-ball iq and effort?

He’s had plenty of opportunities

Their roster construction is pretty terrible for the set of skills he has. When they committed to Butler, they should have traded him, and even before, when they lost Klay they really lost the spacing to be able to play him. That's just my take - if a player really doesn't fit what you do and you don't move on it is harmful to both parties. Sure he got minutes, but he wasn't in a place to succeed, and it has been an open secret (if it was secret at all) that the coaching staff doesn't value what he brings. I think in the right environment with some spacing a team could actually develop him and see if there is something there. I'm not sure there really is, but if he were on a team like San Antonio, or Indiana when they had Turner, I could see him having a real chance to develop.

I’m just saying this as someone who’s seen every game of his career.

He could average roughly twenty on the wizards as an inefficient scorer tomorrow but that’s not development in my eyes.

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

Some of those things might change if he feels like he is a valuable part of the team - or they might not. But one of those - the lack of shooting - can be mitigated by being on a team that doesn't play multiple non-shooters. With better spacing he might also not be inefficient, or as inefficient.

I'm not giving him some ringing endorsement, I wouldn't want him on my team, either - I just think in a different environment some of his weaknesses would matter less and it might be easier for him to buy-in on the changes he needs to make.

[Lenneth]

A bit surprised, because I expected the deal to be done at 10/1, and expected it to be 2 + 1 TO. But, 1 + 1 TO is the best scenario for Warriors. Now they are essentially holding a 20+ mils expiring contract with an option for a trade or just let the contract run with Curry/Butler/Green.

[DB23]

Their roster construction is pretty terrible for the set of skills he has. When they committed to Butler, they should have traded him, and even before, when they lost Klay they really lost the spacing to be able to play him. That's just my take - if a player really doesn't fit what you do and you don't move on it is harmful to both parties. Sure he got minutes, but he wasn't in a place to succeed, and it has been an open secret (if it was secret at all) that the coaching staff doesn't value what he brings. I think in the right environment with some spacing a team could actually develop him and see if there is something there. I'm not sure there really is, but if he were on a team like San Antonio, or Indiana when they had Turner, I could see him having a real chance to develop.

I’m just saying this as someone who’s seen every game of his career.

He could average roughly twenty on the wizards as an inefficient scorer tomorrow but that’s not development in my eyes.

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

Some of those things might change if he feels like he is a valuable part of the team - or they might not. But one of those - the lack of shooting - can be mitigated by being on a team that doesn't play multiple non-shooters. With better spacing he might also not be inefficient, or as inefficient.

I'm not giving him some ringing endorsement, I wouldn't want him on my team, either - I just think in a different environment some of his weaknesses would matter less and it might be easier for him to buy-in on the changes he needs to make.

Personally, I think the first part is really a big loser mentality. I’m not attacking you btw - just I can’t think of a top tier talent that had to have the right fit in order to try harder.

Sure he could be more efficient in an optimal lineup for his skills but really, where would that team be going? To the lottery every year imo - he’s never shown the ability to score efficiently in the mid range yet he continues to operate there. So we could guess that maybe he turns into KD on the wizards, but also maybe he ends up in China on a few years too. Either way it would have been crazy for Kerr to give him more rope when he never earned it.

[babyjax13]

I’m just saying this as someone who’s seen every game of his career.

He could average roughly twenty on the wizards as an inefficient scorer tomorrow but that’s not development in my eyes.

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

Some of those things might change if he feels like he is a valuable part of the team - or they might not. But one of those - the lack of shooting - can be mitigated by being on a team that doesn't play multiple non-shooters. With better spacing he might also not be inefficient, or as inefficient.

I'm not giving him some ringing endorsement, I wouldn't want him on my team, either - I just think in a different environment some of his weaknesses would matter less and it might be easier for him to buy-in on the changes he needs to make.

Personally, I think the first part is really a big loser mentality. I’m not attacking you btw - just I can’t think of a top tier talent that had to have the right fit in order to try harder.

Sure he could be more efficient in an optimal lineup for his skills but really, where would that team be going? To the lottery every year imo - he’s never shown the ability to score efficiently in the mid range yet he continues to operate there. So we could guess that maybe he turns into KD on the wizards, but also maybe he ends up in China on a few years too. Either way it would have been crazy for Kerr to give him more rope when he never earned it.

I am not sure if it is a try harder thing, so much as a 'try smarter' thing. But I completely appreciate your position, it might be exactly right.

[JRoy]

Jerami Grant would be great.

Great to stay right where he is in Portland

Shucks

[Godaddycurse]

Does he still have NTC?

[Scoot McGroot]

Does he still have NTC?

Was my first question. Haven’t seen anyone report on it, yet.

[jscott]

His agent should be fired. If you’re going to sign the deal take the 3 years.

Edit: and he waived the NTC?!

[Lenneth]

Does he still have NTC?

Was my first question. Haven’t seen anyone report on it, yet.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46441474/warriors-jonathan-kuminga-agree-2-year-485-million-deal

According to Sham, he waived NTC.

[LightTheBeam]

Thank you Sac for not trading an unprotected 1st for this guy lol. Glad Perry held strong.

As for the deal, I guess 1+1 gets Kuminga to where he wants quickly and keeps the contract tradable as a potential expiring if/when he looks bad during the season. Warriors wanted 3 years of team control, Kuminga settled for 2.

Lets see what the Warriors get for him at the deadline, and how many minutes hes getting during the first half of the season.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Holding out went well for him, that's a lot of cash for someone that has shown very little.

Is it?

He is getting ~24 Millions guaranteed.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Holding out went well for him, that's a lot of cash for someone that has shown very little.

Is it?

He is getting ~24 Millions guaranteed.

Kuminga had quite a bit of leverage here.

[Sactowndog]

His agent should be fired. If you’re going to sign the deal take the 3 years.

Edit: and he waived the NTC?!

If he waived the no trade clause bad deal by him and his agent. If you threaten and fold you just lose all negotiating power. If I’m Kuminga I fire my agent and sign with Klutch.

[Sactowndog]

Thank you Sac for not trading an unprotected 1st for this guy lol. Glad Perry held strong.

As for the deal, I guess 1+1 gets Kuminga to where he wants quickly and keeps the contract tradable as a potential expiring if/when he looks bad during the season. Warriors wanted 3 years of team control, Kuminga settled for 2.

Lets see what the Warriors get for him at the deadline, and how many minutes hes getting during the first half of the season.

I’m sure he will now pull a Fox and tell which teams he will and won’t sign an extension with. Warriors likely burned any bridges with this guy.

[Scoot McGroot]

His agent should be fired. If you’re going to sign the deal take the 3 years.

Edit: and he waived the NTC?!

If he waived the no trade clause bad deal by him and his agent. If you threaten and fold you just lose all negotiating power. If I’m Kuminga I fire my agent and sign with Klutch.

There's just no way GS was going to pay him that extra salary for just this year (and a team option next year) if he didn't waive the NTC. If he was going to have an NTC, might as well have kept him on the QO and re-assessed with his Bird Rights next year.

[ReggiesKnicks]

His agent should be fired. If you’re going to sign the deal take the 3 years.

Edit: and he waived the NTC?!

If he waived the no trade clause bad deal by him and his agent. If you threaten and fold you just lose all negotiating power. If I’m Kuminga I fire my agent and sign with Klutch.

That isn't what happened though.

We can read the tea leaves since we know for a fact Kuminga waived the NTC.

1) Take the QO for < $8 Million AAV and have a trade clause
2) Take $24 Million AAV and not have a trade clause

You're talking like Kuminga had power — he didn't. At the end of the day, Golden State could have just paid him $8 million, and for a player who has yet to have a big contract, that's a major loss.

Kuminga is now in a spot where three things happen.

1) He plays well, gets a real role, and Golden State can look to extend him on $24 Million, which allows an extension to happen at a high number, given 140% of $24 Million is > $33 Million.

2) He plays well, Golden State shops him, and a team that wants to put Kuminga in a role with more prowess and agency is willing to acquire him. This lends itself best-case for both parties. The deal currently constructed allows the team to have an additional year to foster Kuminga's growth.

3) He plays poorly; Kuminga makes $24 million instead of $8 million.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Thank you Sac for not trading an unprotected 1st for this guy lol. Glad Perry held strong.

As for the deal, I guess 1+1 gets Kuminga to where he wants quickly and keeps the contract tradable as a potential expiring if/when he looks bad during the season. Warriors wanted 3 years of team control, Kuminga settled for 2.

Lets see what the Warriors get for him at the deadline, and how many minutes hes getting during the first half of the season.

I’m sure he will now pull a Fox and tell which teams he will and won’t sign an extension with. Warriors likely burned any bridges with this guy.

That's not relevant.

1) Fox is much better than Kuminga
2) Fox was worth a lot more ($$$ and Value)
3) Warriors aren't the Kings

[Scoot McGroot]

1) He plays well, gets a real role, and Golden State can look to extend him on $24 Million, which allows an extension to happen at a high number, given 140% of $24 Million is > $33 Million.

He can't legally extend off of a 2 year contract. He's guaranteed to hit free agency, either next summer if his option is declined, or the year after if his contract expires upon completion.

2) He plays well, Golden State shops him, and a team that wants to put Kuminga in a role with more prowess and agency is willing to acquire him. This lends itself best-case for both parties. The deal currently constructed allows the team to have an additional year to foster Kuminga's growth.

Very important part here is that all of a sudden, GS does have some interest in playing him, and having him play well. If he had signed the QO, they'd have very little long-term interest in "developing" him.

[cpower]

His agent should be fired. If you’re going to sign the deal take the 3 years.

Edit: and he waived the NTC?!

If he waived the no trade clause bad deal by him and his agent. If you threaten and fold you just lose all negotiating power. If I’m Kuminga I fire my agent and sign with Klutch.

That isn't what happened though.

We can read the tea leaves since we know for a fact Kuminga waived the NTC.

1) Take the QO for < $8 Million AAV and have a trade clause
2) Take $24 Million AAV and not have a trade clause

You're talking like Kuminga had power — he didn't. At the end of the day, Golden State could have just paid him $8 million, and for a player who has yet to have a big contract, that's a major loss.

Kuminga is now in a spot where three things happen.

1) He plays well, gets a real role, and Golden State can look to extend him on $24 Million, which allows an extension to happen at a high number, given 140% of $24 Million is > $33 Million.

2) He plays well, Golden State shops him, and a team that wants to put Kuminga in a role with more prowess and agency is willing to acquire him. This lends itself best-case for both parties. The deal currently constructed allows the team to have an additional year to foster Kuminga's growth.

3) He plays poorly; Kuminga makes $24 million instead of $8 million.

or 4) he does not play and used as salary filter to trade to bad teams in Jan. Warriors do not need to play him to risk to reduce his value even lower than today.