Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[EvanZ]

What if they can't trade his salary slot this season?

Try to trade him in the next offseason, next summer?

based on my limited understanding, if they cant trade this season, then they have to pick up the team option or he becomes unrestricted free agent. If they cant trade him this season because he plays bad, i dont see a reason to pick up the team option because he will be even harder to trade next season

I think this contract shows that the league values him basically as salary filler. It doesn't really matter if he plays "bad". For all intents it's an expiring deal with an easy opt out. Anyone trading for JK is most likely just trading for our draft picks in the out years.

[vvoland]

This is a great contract and had this been signed in July, everyone would have been thrilled.

Jk gets what he wants: ~50m for two years, UFA before hitting 25, and he comes back to a roster with no real 4 outside of dray AND no real 3 other than Jimmy. Kerr may have no choice but to play him 30+ minutes to start the season just due to age, b2b frequency, and positional need. Let's see if jk actually hits the boards and his fts.

Worst case, we can move him for monk in January without having to lose mm or buddy. I would also imagine we can get a better fit, both positionally and stylistically once the S&T/BYC restrictions are lifted in mid Jan.

Best case, he's the young forward we need to backup JB and dray the next two seasons. This contract, with no options or partial guarantees, increases the chances of this scenario.

I wonder if this was available in July or if the team just made this an option today. If so, that would be the FO/mdj's only mistake in this entire process.

[Ilovethebay]

Good deal for the dubs.

Seth will sign on November 15th.

Kuminga will be traded on January 15th. I mentioned the only 3 available wings who check all our boxes months ago.


Dillon Brooks
Kcp
Wiggs

LOL at Wiggins. The guy with a much worse plus minus than JK even though he played way more minutes with Steph.

[Twinkie defense]

By By signing Kuminga to a salary of $22.5 million next season, Golden State will still have the flexibility to use their $5.7 million taxpayer mid-level exception and sign two players to the veteran's minimum. Gary Payton II signed a one-year, veteran's minimum contract with the Warriors on Monday and Al Horford, De'Anthony Melton and rookie Will Richard have agreed to deals too.

However, the Warriors won't have the room to sign a 15th player to start the season because they are now just $2.03 million below the second apron, according to ESPN's Bobby Marks. They will be able to sign a 15th player -- potentially free agent Seth Curry -- beginning Nov. 15.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Good deal for the dubs.

Seth will sign on November 15th.

Kuminga will be traded on January 15th. I mentioned the only 3 available wings who check all our boxes months ago.


Dillon Brooks
Kcp
Wiggs

i like KCP he is much easier to integrate than wiggins - who has only 1 season over 115 Ortg where KCP has 4.

Huh? The core just won a chip with Wiggins. Jimmy has played with Wiggins. If your concern is integrating, Wiggins is miles ahead of the other 2. He's the perfect wing for fit on this team, but he's also going to be the most expensive to get.

Brooks is the most likely candidate.

Big and versatile defender, and can shoot (kinda). That's my guess as to who mjd will target

[Twinkie defense]

Oh a cap hit of only 22.5M this year. I thought it was going to be more. Looks like we can sign Seth nov 15th but we’d be hard capped and trading would be incredibly difficult.

Just great.

Where are you getting that number? A 2/48.5 starts at $23.3M.

That's what ESPN reported in an article I excerpted above...

[Twinkie defense]

Now that Kerr has a full roster, and no must-win games for a few months, he can focus on using the first 20 games on working out combinations where Kuminga can best contribute.

[CS707]

Good deal for the dubs.

Seth will sign on November 15th.

Kuminga will be traded on January 15th. I mentioned the only 3 available wings who check all our boxes months ago.


Dillon Brooks
Kcp
Wiggs

i like KCP he is much easier to integrate than wiggins - who has only 1 season over 115 Ortg where KCP has 4.

Huh? The core just won a chip with Wiggins. Jimmy has played with Wiggins. If your concern is integrating, Wiggins is miles ahead of the other 2. He's the perfect wing for fit on this team, but he's also going to be the most expensive to get.

Brooks is the most likely candidate.

Big and versatile defender, and can shoot (kinda). That's my guess as to who mjd will target

I think Brooks is legitimately disliked by Steph and Dray. Usually I don't think that matters much but in this case, I doubt a deal for Brooks would even be discussed.

[azwfan]

That's the three-year deal at $18 mil per.

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

Do you mean the Warriors didn't offer Kuminga a 3-year, $54 mil deal with no team option? That's been widely reported, and I believe confirmed by Kuminga's agent.

The Warriors obviously have a baseline for what they'd like to pay and have presented version of that same offer to give Kuminga the opportunity to choose what's most important to him - more guaranteed total money? Quicker path to free agency? No team option?

By taking away the team option per Kuminga's request, the Warriors reduced the annual value of the deal, which is a totally rational and reasonable approach to negotiations, which aren't one-sided - you get something (removal of the team option), you give something (reduced AAV).

I mean exactly what i said.

[cpower]

Good deal for the dubs.

Seth will sign on November 15th.

Kuminga will be traded on January 15th. I mentioned the only 3 available wings who check all our boxes months ago.


Dillon Brooks
Kcp
Wiggs

i like KCP he is much easier to integrate than wiggins - who has only 1 season over 115 Ortg where KCP has 4.

Huh? The core just won a chip with Wiggins. Jimmy has played with Wiggins. If your concern is integrating, Wiggins is miles ahead of the other 2. He's the perfect wing for fit on this team, but he's also going to be the most expensive to get.

Brooks is the most likely candidate.

Big and versatile defender, and can shoot (kinda). That's my guess as to who mjd will target

wiggins has always been a defensive guy for us - having a 110 Ortg with us is pretty bad (Moody has 116 Ortg , black hole JK has 113 Ortg for comparison). We now have Jimmy Draymond Al trio on defense, we need offensive player who can shoot and move the ball around. KCP is a much better fit in the current system.

[Crazy-Canuck]

i like KCP he is much easier to integrate than wiggins - who has only 1 season over 115 Ortg where KCP has 4.

Huh? The core just won a chip with Wiggins. Jimmy has played with Wiggins. If your concern is integrating, Wiggins is miles ahead of the other 2. He's the perfect wing for fit on this team, but he's also going to be the most expensive to get.

Brooks is the most likely candidate.

Big and versatile defender, and can shoot (kinda). That's my guess as to who mjd will target

I think Brooks is legitimately disliked by Steph and Dray. Usually I don't think that matters much but in this case, I doubt a deal for Brooks would even be discussed.

So was cp3.

If he can help win a chip, they will put it behind them.

[Twinkie defense]

Thats whats been reported. I dont believe what has been reported to be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I think its more like partial truths by whoever wants us to know it at that time.

Do you mean the Warriors didn't offer Kuminga a 3-year, $54 mil deal with no team option? That's been widely reported, and I believe confirmed by Kuminga's agent.

The Warriors obviously have a baseline for what they'd like to pay and have presented version of that same offer to give Kuminga the opportunity to choose what's most important to him - more guaranteed total money? Quicker path to free agency? No team option?

By taking away the team option per Kuminga's request, the Warriors reduced the annual value of the deal, which is a totally rational and reasonable approach to negotiations, which aren't one-sided - you get something (removal of the team option), you give something (reduced AAV).

I mean exactly what i said.

Well then you're wrong lol.

[thunderdunk]

No way they trade for Brooks. JMO. And I guess if holding out all summer helped JK make an extra $1M, then his agent can truthfully say that he negotiated him an extra $1M. Whatever. My guess is that he'll be gone on 1/15, but you never know. If he's actually improved his game over the summer and is willing to play Warriors ball, then he's a keeper. Otherwise, hopefully MDJ can package him for someone who fits better.

[azwfan]

Do you mean the Warriors didn't offer Kuminga a 3-year, $54 mil deal with no team option? That's been widely reported, and I believe confirmed by Kuminga's agent.

The Warriors obviously have a baseline for what they'd like to pay and have presented version of that same offer to give Kuminga the opportunity to choose what's most important to him - more guaranteed total money? Quicker path to free agency? No team option?

By taking away the team option per Kuminga's request, the Warriors reduced the annual value of the deal, which is a totally rational and reasonable approach to negotiations, which aren't one-sided - you get something (removal of the team option), you give something (reduced AAV).

I mean exactly what i said.

Well then you're wrong lol.

Am I? Was the contract JK signed one of the contracts previously reported?

[marthafokker]

Seth can sign on 11/15. Another handshake deal?

[azwfan]

Seth can sign on 11/15. Another handshake deal?

Why is it 11/15? Is that due to hard cap?

[Twinkie defense]

Seth can sign on 11/15. Another handshake deal?

I wonder how Steph feels about Kuminga squeezing out his bro.

[Twinkie defense]

Seth can sign on 11/15. Another handshake deal?

Why is it 11/15? Is that due to hard cap?

Because salaries are pro-rated over the course of the season and a vet minimum contract right now would put the Warriors very slightly over the second apron, where they are hard-capped due to signing Horford to the taxpayer MLE.

[azwfan]

Seth can sign on 11/15. Another handshake deal?

Why is it 11/15? Is that due to hard cap?

Because salaries are pro-rated over the course of the season and a vet minimum contract right now would put the Warriors very slightly over the second apron, where they are hard-capped due to signing Horford to the taxpayer MLE.

Ah so they shouldnt sign him on Nov 15th then… cause that leaves them no room to maneuver after injuries or to make a trade. So the Warriors chose GP2 over Seth.

[whatisacenter]

I didn’t think he take this deal and I was wrong.

Dubs got what they wanted and hopefully he lands on a team that wants him at the deadline.

Biggest downside for me is reading everyone bitching about him until he is gone.