Top 10 QB's

[therealbig3]

Literally nobody is saying there isn’t more to a team’s success than the QB.

People are saying that the QB is the most important position though. And having a great defense is not equivalent to having a great QB, as has been proven throughout NFL history.

And Jalen Hurts is way better than “average”. I think we can all agree. He’s likely top 5, especially with injuries to Burrow and Jackson. The only ones that disagree are Cowboys fans I guess.

I also want to know who could replace Hurts and do better? Because I strongly disagree if you guys think current Stafford or someone like Herbert could outshine him and lead the Eagles to more success. I think you need a true dual threat QB to replicate what Hurts does, because his running game is a big part of the Eagles’ offense. And review of film shows that he actually makes the right decision consistently as a passer.

[Mariner]

Literally nobody is saying there isn’t more to a team’s success than the QB.

People are saying that the QB is the most important position though. And having a great defense is not equivalent to having a great QB, as has been proven throughout NFL history.

And Jalen Hurts is way better than “average”. I think we can all agree. He’s likely top 5, especially with injuries to Burrow and Jackson. The only ones that disagree are Cowboys fans I guess.

I also want to know who could replace Hurts and do better? Because I strongly disagree if you guys think current Stafford or someone like Herbert could outshine him and lead the Eagles to more success. I think you need a true dual threat QB to replicate what Hurts does, because his running game is a big part of the Eagles’ offense. And review of film shows that he actually makes the right decision consistently as a passer.

Hurts is really difficult to evaluate.
For the eagles he might be a top 5 QB. He does his job and fits there scheme perfectly.
Herbert and Stafford are clearly better than Hurts though.
Hurts is not the QB you want to build a franchise around. Had Tennessee traded the first pick overall for him last year the titans would still suck for years.
I never criticize Hurts cause he does his job. But if we are honest his job is a lot easier then other QBs.

[azcatz11]

Elite QB will give you a floor of 8-9 wins. Burrow last year had the worst defense in the league and they won 9 games.

Elite defense with bad QB will be one of the worst teams in the league. The defense will get tired and will not be motivated to play its human nature. Jets had the best defense in the league with Zach Wilson and they won 4 games.

This proved what Micah saying to be false

[clyde21]

this is pretty crazy and I don't think Stafford gets enough love for his career

Read on Twitter

[Micah Prescott]

Elite QB will give you a floor of 8-9 wins. Burrow last year had the worst defense in the league and they won 9 games.

Elite defense with bad QB will be one of the worst teams in the league. The defense will get tired and will not be motivated to play its human nature. Jets had the best defense in the league with Zach Wilson and they won 4 games.

This proved what Micah saying to be false

Elite defense with a bad QB is the 2000 Ravens and I would take that defense over any QB that has ever played the game because that defense will beat any QB.


It is also the 2016 Broncos, where Peyton Manning was LITERALLY the worst QB in the entire NFL, and they still won a ring.

[Micah Prescott]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2021: 29.6 PPG (worst in the NFL)
2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)
2023: 20.9 PPG (12th overall)


Eagles defense last season gave up only 17.8 PPG and they won the Super Bowl.

[Micah Prescott]

Peyton Manning in 2016 -

9 TDs (worst of all starting QBs) 17 INTs (only Blake Bortles had more) and a passer rating of 67.9 (worst of all starting QBs)

The Broncos won the Super Bowl with LITERALLY THE WORST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL



Dilfer with the 2000 Ravens wasn't much different than this either, literally any QB could have won a ring with that defense. They simply did not let the other teams score.

And you think these are outliers but they really aren't, because what is happening is teams like the Eagles are winning rings with elite defenses but instead of acknowledging the defense fans are just labeling Hurts as a great QB.

[El Turco]

Elite QB will give you a floor of 8-9 wins. Burrow last year had the worst defense in the league and they won 9 games.

Elite defense with bad QB will be one of the worst teams in the league. The defense will get tired and will not be motivated to play its human nature. Jets had the best defense in the league with Zach Wilson and they won 4 games.

This proved what Micah saying to be false

Elite defense with a bad QB is the 2000 Ravens and I would take that defense over any QB that has ever played the game because that defense will beat any QB.


It is also the 2016 Broncos, where Peyton Manning was LITERALLY the worst QB in the entire NFL, and they still won a ring.

That cant be true because the next year Ravens defense didnt lose anyone notable yet didnt win it all again. They did replace a bad quarterback who knew his limitations with another bad quarterback who thought he was Brett Favre.

[El Turco]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

[Micah Prescott]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

While unperfect it is still the best single measure, truly elite defenses shut it down from the goal line.

Football Insiders used that adjust for that and grade defenses only when the offense starts past the 50 mark. It was a good one, can't find that any more.

Defensive EPA I think it was.

[El Turco]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

While unperfect it is still the best single measure, truly elite defenses shut it down from the goal line.

Football Insiders used that adjust for that and grade defenses only when the offense starts past the 50 mark. It was a good one, can't find that any more.

Defensive EPA I think it was.

Defense that gives up a touchdown after a quarterback throws an int at their own 1 yard is not worse than a defense that gives up 70 yards and a field goal. Lets not be silly.

[azcatz11]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

While unperfect it is still the best single measure, truly elite defenses shut it down from the goal line.

Football Insiders used that adjust for that and grade defenses only when the offense starts past the 50 mark. It was a good one, can't find that any more.

Defensive EPA I think it was.

That 2022 defense shuts down your entire point. If you watched the Jets that year you would know they were by far the best defense in the league and were completely demoralized by the Zach Wilson offense.

[Micah Prescott]

The 2000 Ravens only gave up 10.3 PPG

Just insane.

You can literally win without the QB even throwing. Just hand it off every play. And they basically did just that with Jamal Lewis.

I mean I bet they could have won a ring with NO QB at all. Just wildcat formation the whole year, 2 RBs.

[bluejerseyjinx]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

I see the set up coming. That is the only reason why Dak hasn't won the Super Bowl or any playoff games. He doesn't have an elite defense. I see it coming.

[El Turco]

Btw Trent Dilfer while otherwise a bad quarterback, had a passer rating of 83.7 with 590 yards, 3 touchdowns, and 1 interception in 4 games during the 2000 playoffs—well above league average. Being a bad quarterback doesn’t preclude you from having a decent playoff run and helping your team, which was the case with Peyton, Foles, and Dilfer.

Really there’s only one case in modern history where a team won a Super Bowl despite a bad performance from the quarterback throughout the playoffs, and that’s Brad Johnson in 2002. One case in 40-something years doesn’t really help anyone’s argument.

[Micah Prescott]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

I see the set up coming. That is the only reason why Dak hasn't won the Super Bowl or any playoff games. He doesn't have an elite defense. I see it coming.

That is you, I am not angling for that.

This was about Hurts winning without completing a single pass in the 2nd half. But sure, give Dak the Eagles defense and the Cowboys do much better than they are now with the worst defense in the NFL.

That isn't a homer opinion, that is a DUH opinion.

[El Turco]

Jets Defense w/Zach Wilson

2022: 18.6 PPG (4th overall)

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

I see the set up coming. That is the only reason why Dak hasn't won the Super Bowl or any playoff games. He doesn't have an elite defense. I see it coming.

There has to be a reason for this mental gymnastics to prove quarterbacks don’t matter lol

Considering the eagles games that came down the stretch in their playoff runs thinking Dak would win a super bowl with Eagles is a laughable preposition.

[Micah Prescott]

Btw Trent Dilfer while otherwise a bad quarterback, had a passer rating of 83.7 with 590 yards, 3 touchdowns, and 1 interception in 4 games during the 2000 playoffs—well above league average. Being a bad quarterback doesn’t preclude you from having a decent playoff run and helping your team, which was the case with Peyton, Foles, and Dilfer.

Really there’s only one case in modern history where a team won a Super Bowl despite a bad performance from the quarterback throughout the playoffs, and that’s Brad Johnson in 2002. One case in 40-something years doesn’t really help anyone’s argument.

Ravens defense in the post season that year -

Wildcard: gave up 3 points
Divisional: gave up 10 points
AFC Championship: gave up 3 points
Super Bowl: gave up 7 points


They gave up 23 total points over 4 playoff games, that is just ONE game for most defenses.

[Micah Prescott]

Damn I dont remember Zach Wilson in AFC championship game. Also you cant measure defense by PPG because QB mistakes go into that.

I see the set up coming. That is the only reason why Dak hasn't won the Super Bowl or any playoff games. He doesn't have an elite defense. I see it coming.

There has to be a reason for this mental gymnastics to prove quarterbacks don’t matter lol

Considering the eagles games that came down the stretch in their playoff runs thinking Dak would a super bowl with Eagles is a laughable preposition.

"QBs don't matter"?

hilarious strawman

I'm saying that the game of football is NOT a tennis match between 2 QBs

been saying that

you guys think this is boxing

[El Turco]

Btw Trent Dilfer while otherwise a bad quarterback, had a passer rating of 83.7 with 590 yards, 3 touchdowns, and 1 interception in 4 games during the 2000 playoffs—well above league average. Being a bad quarterback doesn’t preclude you from having a decent playoff run and helping your team, which was the case with Peyton, Foles, and Dilfer.

Really there’s only one case in modern history where a team won a Super Bowl despite a bad performance from the quarterback throughout the playoffs, and that’s Brad Johnson in 2002. One case in 40-something years doesn’t really help anyone’s argument.

Ravens defense in the post season that year -

Wildcard: gave up 3 points
Divisional: gave up 10 points
AFC Championship: gave up 3 points
Super Bowl: gave up 7 points


They gave up 23 total points over 4 playoff games, that is just ONE game for most defenses.

And? Next year with another quarterback Elvis Grbac same defense gave up more points because he kept throwing interceptions and backed them in their own red zone.