What are you expectations for Coby White next season?

[MGB8]

I expect that he will put up somewhat better numbers than last season, but not near the hot streak efficiency.

I also expect that his issues finishing inside vs. good defenses won’t have really improved - it being more a physical limitation than anything. But I also could see his handle being incrementally even better, along incremental improvement in passing. If that happens, his n7mbers bump up a bit more even.

Would love to see a more significant improvement on D, but with the energy he expends on Offense, that will be hard. But that would be the most meaningful improvement he could make.

[nomorezorro]

I'll disagree with that, it wasn't a hot streak. The way he was scoring wasn't just bombing 3s, he was scoring in a variety of ways.

yeah i dunno if it was sustainable, but it's pretty important to note that his numbers weren't just inflated by a stretch of unusually good outside shooting. and while i think he probably will come back down to earth this season, i do think that the possibility of a coby breakout is underdiscussed as compared to the other potential paths to improvement this team has.

just for context:

pre-lavine trade: 18.5 ppg / 3.5 rpg / 4.5 apg | 43.5% fg 37% 3pt 52.2% 2pt 88.9% ft | 8.2 3pa 3.3 fta
post-lavine trade: 23 ppg / 4 rpg / 4 apg | 47.6% fg 36.9% 3pt 56.6% 2pt 91.4% ft | 7.4 3pa 5.4 fta

so his 3pt percentage was basically unchanged and he actually took almost 1 fewer 3pa per game during his "hot stretch," but he scored at a better rate inside the arc and took one more trip to the free throw line per game.

i can't find out a way to filter transition stats for portions of the season, but my assumption would be that his game benefitted significantly from the team embracing the uptempo style. let him exploit his speed to get to the rim with greater frequency, find easier looks when he gets there, and generate more trips to the line in the process.

this hunch is bolstered by the fact that the league leader in transition PPG on the season was: coby white! (and he scored 1.28 points per possession on transition opportunities, which puts him in the 80th percentile leaguewide)

[Almost Retired]

I'm interested in how much it's going to cost to keep him once he hits free agency next year. We aren't close to being a contender. At @ $30 million a year I'd be inclined to try to keep him. If AKME projects it will cot us $40 million or more I'd rather trade him now for the right deal. We're so far from being relevant as a real contender that I don't want to lock us into a big Dollar contract.

[nomorezorro]

is there a better recent comp for coby's value than immanuel quickley, whose $32.5 million deal immediately turned into an albatross? seems pretty clear to me that barring a breakout season, we should be pushing for a number well below that

i would invite him to find a deal above $20m/year and tell him good luck in his future endeavors if he succeeds.

[Stratmaster]

is there a better recent comp for coby's value than immanuel quickley, whose $32.5 million deal immediately turned into an albatross? seems pretty clear to me that barring a breakout season, we should be pushing for a number well below that

i would invite him to find a deal above $20m/year and tell him good luck in his future endeavors if he succeeds.

I am with you on this one. I would go higher than 20, but I wouldn't go anywhere near 30. Unless, as you say, he has a breakout year. I believe we have already seen all of Coby's "breakouts". I would be very happily surprised if he proves me wrong.

[MGB8]

is there a better recent comp for coby's value than immanuel quickley, whose $32.5 million deal immediately turned into an albatross? seems pretty clear to me that barring a breakout season, we should be pushing for a number well below that

i would invite him to find a deal above $20m/year and tell him good luck in his future endeavors if he succeeds.

I am with you on this one. I would go higher than 20, but I wouldn't go anywhere near 30. Unless, as you say, he has a breakout year. I believe we have already seen all of Coby's "breakouts". I would be very happily surprised if he proves me wrong.

It is hard for me to evaluate. It sure looks like Coby is a very high character guy who works hard, which may separate him from a Cam Thomas (who may be more naturally gifted) or such.

That said, next offseason, while a number of teams will have Macao room, there will be a number of smaller scoring guards on the market. Not just Cam Thomas, but also Anfernee Simons, Colin Sexton, Reaves, Porter Jr., Jaden Ivey if he doesn’t extend, likely Quentin Grimes (though he doesn’t have an extended track record of high end scoring, just the end season flash), D-Lo (bleh, but he will score a bunch this year), older vets Beal, McCullom, Clarkson, and also Mathurin and Gary Trent as less ball handlers, and ditto LaVine…

Also Trae Young and, if he opts out, VanVleet, as more PGs who score as opposed to scorers who handle.

Some will be extended… but the point is that there will be competition for the cap dollars for the role that Coby fills.

[Indomitable]

is there a better recent comp for coby's value than immanuel quickley, whose $32.5 million deal immediately turned into an albatross? seems pretty clear to me that barring a breakout season, we should be pushing for a number well below that

i would invite him to find a deal above $20m/year and tell him good luck in his future endeavors if he succeeds.

I am with you on this one. I would go higher than 20, but I wouldn't go anywhere near 30. Unless, as you say, he has a breakout year. I believe we have already seen all of Coby's "breakouts". I would be very happily surprised if he proves me wrong.

It is hard for me to evaluate. It sure looks like Coby is a very high character guy who works hard, which may separate him from a Cam Thomas (who may be more naturally gifted) or such.

That said, next offseason, while a number of teams will have Macao room, there will be a number of smaller scoring guards on the market. Not just Cam Thomas, but also Anfernee Simons, Colin Sexton, Reaves, Porter Jr., Jaden Ivey if he doesn’t extend, likely Quentin Grimes (though he doesn’t have an extended track record of high end scoring, just the end season flash), D-Lo (bleh, but he will score a bunch this year), older vets Beal, McCullom, Clarkson, and also Mathurin and Gary Trent as less ball handlers, and ditto LaVine…

Also Trae Young and, if he opts out, VanVleet, as more PGs who score as opposed to scorers who handle.

Some will be extended… but the point is that there will be competition for the cap dollars for the role that Coby fills.

Grimes would be my choice out of that group. He plays both ways.


Zach also is a free agent in 2027

[sco]

I am with you on this one. I would go higher than 20, but I wouldn't go anywhere near 30. Unless, as you say, he has a breakout year. I believe we have already seen all of Coby's "breakouts". I would be very happily surprised if he proves me wrong.

It is hard for me to evaluate. It sure looks like Coby is a very high character guy who works hard, which may separate him from a Cam Thomas (who may be more naturally gifted) or such.

That said, next offseason, while a number of teams will have Macao room, there will be a number of smaller scoring guards on the market. Not just Cam Thomas, but also Anfernee Simons, Colin Sexton, Reaves, Porter Jr., Jaden Ivey if he doesn’t extend, likely Quentin Grimes (though he doesn’t have an extended track record of high end scoring, just the end season flash), D-Lo (bleh, but he will score a bunch this year), older vets Beal, McCullom, Clarkson, and also Mathurin and Gary Trent as less ball handlers, and ditto LaVine…

Also Trae Young and, if he opts out, VanVleet, as more PGs who score as opposed to scorers who handle.

Some will be extended… but the point is that there will be competition for the cap dollars for the role that Coby fills.

Grimes would be my choice out of that group. He plays both ways.


Zach also is a free agent in 2027

Yeah, I like Grimes, but his jump (for last 25 games) last season was even more dramatic that Coby's on a team where there were zero other offensive options. I imagine if he comes back on a QO deal with PHI, his numbers will likely come way down (and lower his cost).

The problem with most of the other guys is that they don't really fit our need for a true #1 option (i.e. a guys who can't score efficiently on high volume against mainly double-teams). And to your point, if we need to sign a #2 guy who isn't a defensive liability.