SHAMS: Jonathan Kuminga back to Golden State ($48.5MM/2, 1+1 Team Option)

[tester551]

Good deal for both sides IMO, now hopefully they find a suitable trade for him.

Yeah, I think this deal makes sense for all three sides involved:

Kuminga --- Retains Bird rights and gets more than $8M this season
Warriors --- Keep their trade asset alive
Team who trades for JK --- Can invest in him long-term

He waived the NTC, but he still loses Bird rights in a trade.

Not if the receiving team guarantees the second year of the contract.

A team trading for him to utilize the option year will not care about bird rights. A team that sees him as valuable will utilize the second year.

[Scoot McGroot]

Good deal for both sides IMO, now hopefully they find a suitable trade for him.

Yeah, I think this deal makes sense for all three sides involved:

Kuminga --- Retains Bird rights and gets more than $8M this season
Warriors --- Keep their trade asset alive
Team who trades for JK --- Can invest in him long-term

He waived the NTC, but he still loses Bird rights in a trade.

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

[Mavrelous]

Yep, but realistically at this salary, his non-bird gives him ~30M potential starting salary, which should be enough, if it isn't Ws won't be trading him in the 1st place.

[xdrta+]

Yeah, I think this deal makes sense for all three sides involved:

Kuminga --- Retains Bird rights and gets more than $8M this season
Warriors --- Keep their trade asset alive
Team who trades for JK --- Can invest in him long-term

He waived the NTC, but he still loses Bird rights in a trade.

Not if the receiving team guarantees the second year of the contract.

A team trading for him to utilize the option year will not care about bird rights. A team that sees him as valuable will utilize the second year.

I agree that a team trading for him may not care about his Bird rights, but they would only gain full Bird rights if the option is picked up in conjunction with the trade (or technically prior to the trade.) If the option is picked up in June, the new team would have his Early Bird rights the following offseason.

[tcheco]

Yeah, I think this deal makes sense for all three sides involved:

Kuminga --- Retains Bird rights and gets more than $8M this season
Warriors --- Keep their trade asset alive
Team who trades for JK --- Can invest in him long-term

He waived the NTC, but he still loses Bird rights in a trade.

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

[longfellow44]

He waived the NTC, but he still loses Bird rights in a trade.

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

[jbk1234]

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

He started his career on a team with best spacing PG in history. He also enjoyed playing with Klay (then Buddy Heild) and Draymond (who isn't glued to the dunker's spot). I think there are genuine questions as to how successful he'll be on a team with less generous spacing. With his body type and athleticism, he needs to be a good rebounder and defender to be anything other than a sixth man.

[tcheco]

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

Second best player in a good team is 30M per year, which is something he can be offered with non bird rights.

I think he hasnt shown all he can do with the Warriors, but this means he needs the ball to be in his hand to be the most effective he can, but If Kuminga is getting that, the team wont be competing much, like a poor man Demar(I like DDR for the record).

Weirdly, whenever a player fails to play well with a star that gets so much attention and can create off others, I find it hard to believe he will improve. I do think Curry carries so much gravity and can play so well off the ball that Kuminga wont find a better team with players that compliment him better, unless people think Kerr just doesnt know how to use him at all(I don't)

[One_and_Done]

Great news. I was tired of seeing so many threads about a guy who isn't even very good. Definitely an overpay, but assumedly they signed him to trade him.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

I'm rooting for him and hoping he surprises most of us with a big step forward. But if he isn't a great rebounder, isn't a great shooter, and has never played very good (team) defense, if he's the 2nd best player on a team, it almost surely isn't good. Unless he's scoring like 30+ points.

[Nate the Great]

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

I'm rooting for him and hoping he surprises most of us with a big step forward. But if he isn't a great rebounder, isn't a great shooter, and has never played very good (team) defense, if he's the 2nd best player on a team, it almost surely isn't good. Unless he's scoring like 30+ points.

He’s great at getting to the rim, and has shown he can be a good catch and shoot perimeter shooter. But it’s annoying that he gets tunnel vision sometimes and ignores an open teammate to charge into a double team.

[Crazy-Canuck]

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

How would someone who isn't a good rebounder, dribbler, passer, shooter, and defender ever be the 2nd best player on a good team? All the while eating up a good chunk of the teams camp?

2nd best on a bad team, I can see.

[Nate the Great]

He loses full Bird Rights if he's traded this season. A team would retain "non-Bird Rights", which allows a raise of up to 20% over the previous years salary.

If Kuminga finishes this season with GS, and then gets traded in the 26/27 season, he would convey with full Bird Rights.

I know you know this, but just pointing it out for others reading in the forum...

Good addition.

Dont see a scenario where kuminga gets a contract with more than 20% raise after two next seasons... almos 30M per year? He would have to be really hiding his game

I think it has been the coach who has been hiding his game. He probably won't ever be a great rebounder or shooter but he is still possibly a future 2nd best player on a good team.

Hopefully, other teams also see Kuminga’s unwillingness to pass and play defense as Steve Kerr’s fault. I don’t know why they would. But it might lead someone to make a better offer for him. If not, he’s a good scorer off the bench for two years, or the Warriors deal him as a solid expiring contract.

[tmorgan]

There’s a handful of guys of slightly different sizes and moderately different skill sets that all have severe tunnel vision issues. I’m not sure any of them really turn it around and become winning players beyond using them as instant offense off the bench, with minutes not predetermined but rather based on night-to-night performance.

Cam Thomas (took the QO) — tough shot creator and maker, but severely deficient otherwise
Bennedict Mathurin (entering 4th year, no extension) — probably the best of the bunch, but still struggles outside of offense
Jonathan Kuminga (got his second deal, but it’s short) — best athlete of the bunch, but has plenty of shortcomings
Cam Whitmore (dealt after 2nd season, we’ll see in Washington) — just doesn’t pass at all

There’s probably a few more I’m not thinking of. Not guys I’d want on a playoff team, though Carlisle did a really good job keeping Math in line last year when it mattered.

[penbeast0]

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

So, Kyle Kuzma 2.0.

[chrbal]

There’s a handful of guys of slightly different sizes and moderately different skill sets that all have severe tunnel vision issues. I’m not sure any of them really turn it around and become winning players beyond using them as instant offense off the bench, with minutes not predetermined but rather based on night-to-night performance.

Cam Thomas (took the QO) — tough shot creator and maker, but severely deficient otherwise
Bennedict Mathurin (entering 4th year, no extension) — probably the best of the bunch, but still struggles outside of offense
Jonathan Kuminga (got his second deal, but it’s short) — best athlete of the bunch, but has plenty of shortcomings
Cam Whitmore (dealt after 2nd season, we’ll see in Washington) — just doesn’t pass at all

There’s probably a few more I’m not thinking of. Not guys I’d want on a playoff team, though Carlisle did a really good job keeping Math in line last year when it mattered.

Michael Porter Jr.- it will be real interesting to see how free agency goes for him in ‘27. Not to mention him and Cam Thomas essentially playing for contracts and all the younger Nets players learning habits from those two

[gswhoops]

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

So, Kyle Kuzma 2.0.

That's the downside scenario for Kuminga - if he doesn't improve at least one of his outside shooting, offensive awareness, or team defense, he tops out as a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring forward whose best (maybe only) role on a good team is off the bench running the second unit offense.

[penbeast0]

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

So, Kyle Kuzma 2.0.

That's the downside scenario for Kuminga - if he doesn't improve at least one of his outside shooting, offensive awareness, or team defense, he tops out as a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring forward whose best (maybe only) role on a good team is off the bench running the second unit offense.

He's significantly younger and more athletic so I agree the upside is always there. But he needs to get his head into the game as well as his body.

[tcheco]

His gaps are his awareness and effort on defense. His shooting. His maturity. None of those change on any other team IMO.
He just doesn’t have the awareness to realize he is not Kobe Bryant.

So, Kyle Kuzma 2.0.

That's the downside scenario for Kuminga - if he doesn't improve at least one of his outside shooting, offensive awareness, or team defense, he tops out as a high-volume, low-efficiency scoring forward whose best (maybe only) role on a good team is off the bench running the second unit offense.

Watched just a few games of him, he can take over the game, but is a black hole taking over the shots, and if they dont fall, he is a negative. Definitely a Kuzma like player is possible, while Kuzma always seemed like he is stubborn in his ways, Kuminga issue might simply be feeling left out by Kerr, or he is who he is...