Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[Senchu]

Oh this is a huge L for us not making to 200pages

[EvanZ]

Oh this is a huge L for us not making to 200pages

Maybe if we had bet on ourselves

[EvanZ]

A lot of revisionist history going on here. Both sides compromised.

Well Warriors gave a little extra money but no player option, and they got their trade chip. Kuminga didn't gain much new in negotiations but then again he never had a lot of leverage. RFA is designed to give the team and not the player the leverage.

When it was revealed that 2 for 45 and 3 for 75 were offered everyone thought JK was stupid for not taking what most felt was an overpay (some said he wasn’t worth more than the QO). It’s obvious that they had moved up their offer when it was revealed by his agent. He still got them to move up another 3 million on top of that like you mentioned. They knew they weren’t getting the PO. They did literally get every cent they could right up to the apron. What’s missing in this revisionist history is that he has always wanted to bet on himself. He got as much as could and will still be an unrestricted free agent at 25 years old at the latest.

Bro, you can tell yourself this, but JK still made a huge mistake not taking TWO guaranteed years. The Warriors literally needed to give ANYONE a contract that was the largest amount they could with the least risk and that's exactly what JK represents. You don't seem to understand the economics here. They gave him exactly what they needed to and not a penny more. Any less and it would make trading for someone who is "playoff rotation tier" more difficult. That's the part you don't seem to understand. It's why the 3/54 was in some sense even worse because it would be less salary to match in an incoming player.

JK is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes. He is a neutral asset that is 100% salary matching filler. Any team that trades for JK just wants our future picks.

[EvanZ]

Ok, let's get it to 200 pages by Jan 15. Plenty of time. Who are we trading this bum's $23M for? How many picks?

[Onus]

Crazy Canuck came up with a good starting point.

KCP
Brooks
Wiggins

Probably add Monk as a possibility.

If we're being unrealistic JJJ.

[EvanZ]

Man, I wish we had traded for De'Andre Hunter when there was a sliver of a chance. I can't imagine Cleveland moving him, but it's the perfect salary match. How many future firsts would it take to entice them?

[Onus]

Man, I wish we had traded for De'Andre Hunter when there was a sliver of a chance. I can't imagine Cleveland moving him, but it's the perfect salary match. How many future firsts would it take to entice them?

Supposed contenders are unlikely to trade rotation players. So it would definitely have to be an overpay. So maybe like 1 or 2? 2 definitely gets them to think about it. 1 probably not.

[EvanZ]

Man, I wish we had traded for De'Andre Hunter when there was a sliver of a chance. I can't imagine Cleveland moving him, but it's the perfect salary match. How many future firsts would it take to entice them?

Supposed contenders are unlikely to trade rotation players. So it would definitely have to be an overpay. So maybe like 1 or 2? 2 definitely gets them to think about it. 1 probably not.

Yeah I think it's at least 2 for that reason, although Hunter only has 2 years left on his deal (which is actually perfect for us).

But this is a good illustration that Kuminga is an afterthought in such a deal. He's a neutral asset at best. Just like us, a contending team knows that Kuminga isn't going to help them win any time soon so in this specific deal the player Kuminga is almost certainly viewed as a negative asset.

[Onus]

Man, I wish we had traded for De'Andre Hunter when there was a sliver of a chance. I can't imagine Cleveland moving him, but it's the perfect salary match. How many future firsts would it take to entice them?

Supposed contenders are unlikely to trade rotation players. So it would definitely have to be an overpay. So maybe like 1 or 2? 2 definitely gets them to think about it. 1 probably not.

Yeah I think it's at least 2 for that reason, although Hunter only has 2 years left on his deal (which is actually perfect for us).

But this is a good illustration that Kuminga is an afterthought in such a deal. He's a neutral asset at best. Just like us, a contending team knows that Kuminga isn't going to help them win any time soon so in this specific deal the player Kuminga is almost certainly viewed as a negative asset.

If JK was a good defender then we wouldn't even need to trade him

[Ilovethebay]

Well Warriors gave a little extra money but no player option, and they got their trade chip. Kuminga didn't gain much new in negotiations but then again he never had a lot of leverage. RFA is designed to give the team and not the player the leverage.

When it was revealed that 2 for 45 and 3 for 75 were offered everyone thought JK was stupid for not taking what most felt was an overpay (some said he wasn’t worth more than the QO). It’s obvious that they had moved up their offer when it was revealed by his agent. He still got them to move up another 3 million on top of that like you mentioned. They knew they weren’t getting the PO. They did literally get every cent they could right up to the apron. What’s missing in this revisionist history is that he has always wanted to bet on himself. He got as much as could and will still be an unrestricted free agent at 25 years old at the latest.

Bro, you can tell yourself this, but JK still made a huge mistake not taking TWO guaranteed years. The Warriors literally needed to give ANYONE a contract that was the largest amount they could with the least risk and that's exactly what JK represents. You don't seem to understand the economics here. They gave him exactly what they needed to and not a penny more. Any less and it would make trading for someone who is "playoff rotation tier" more difficult. That's the part you don't seem to understand. It's why the 3/54 was in some sense even worse because it would be less salary to match in an incoming player.

JK is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes. He is a neutral asset that is 100% salary matching filler. Any team that trades for JK just wants our future picks.

Another weak response from you. I repeat: He wanted to bet on himself. The Warriors upped their offer twice. Look I get it, you don’t want him here. Everyone understands the economics Let’s revisit this after the trade deadline.

[EvanZ]

When it was revealed that 2 for 45 and 3 for 75 were offered everyone thought JK was stupid for not taking what most felt was an overpay (some said he wasn’t worth more than the QO). It’s obvious that they had moved up their offer when it was revealed by his agent. He still got them to move up another 3 million on top of that like you mentioned. They knew they weren’t getting the PO. They did literally get every cent they could right up to the apron. What’s missing in this revisionist history is that he has always wanted to bet on himself. He got as much as could and will still be an unrestricted free agent at 25 years old at the latest.

Bro, you can tell yourself this, but JK still made a huge mistake not taking TWO guaranteed years. The Warriors literally needed to give ANYONE a contract that was the largest amount they could with the least risk and that's exactly what JK represents. You don't seem to understand the economics here. They gave him exactly what they needed to and not a penny more. Any less and it would make trading for someone who is "playoff rotation tier" more difficult. That's the part you don't seem to understand. It's why the 3/54 was in some sense even worse because it would be less salary to match in an incoming player.

JK is an expiring contract for all intents and purposes. He is a neutral asset that is 100% salary matching filler. Any team that trades for JK just wants our future picks.

Another weak response from you. I repeat: He wanted to bet on himself. The Warriors upped their offer twice. Look I get it, you don’t want him here. Everyone understands the economics Let’s revisit this after the trade deadline.

Bro, the Warriors "upped" their offer and he took their first offer. What was the point of the entire summer?

[Twinkie defense]

How many picks does it take to turn Kuminga into Trey Murphy III?

[Onus]

How many picks does it take to turn Kuminga into Trey Murphy III?

2 probably 3 1sts

[basketballwacko2]

They can't pay him 2/48. That first season would take the Warriors over the 2nd apron, assuming they use the 15th roster slot for Seth or someone else.

Along those lines, the Warriors can't offer the 3/75.2 contract because of the 2nd apron issues. It would need to be something like 3/70 for 2nd apron space for at least a pro-rated vet minimum for half a season (injury replacement player).

I'm sure they can figure it out. The deal can be descending or it can just be a somewhat lower amount. 2/46 or whatever. Those are minor details.

It can't be descending. That makes it higher this season and a worse problem with the 2nd apron. It will have to be lower (3/75 -> 3/70; the 2/45 works under the 2nd apron).

So JK is really up the creek with no paddle right now. The only team with money is the Nets and it seems no team wants to pay him more than $12-13 million a year. Probably taking the QO. What if he sign and trades for 3 years $13-14 million? The W's take back say 80% of that and get a 2nd. I don't know who would be willing to do that but just a hypothetical.

Edit: I just saw the news! OMG!!

[Onus]

I'm actually shocked that JK didn't take the 3/75 deal. To not take that 2nd year guarantee and hopefully become a free agent when every team will have a ton of cap space in 27. Next year is going to be a tough market as well and taking a longer deal next year and missing out on all the cap space in 27 was a bad decision monetarily.

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Warriors sign both Melton and Seth.

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Since Melton's contract is multi-year (a second year option) his cap hit is his full salary, $3,080,921, instead of the minimum for a two year vet, $2,296,274.

Edit: thanks, Seth is almost certainly an exhibit 9 contract.

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[EvanZ]

You posted the Melton tweet twice.

[EvanZ]

How many picks does it take to turn Kuminga into Trey Murphy III?

2 probably 3 1sts

I mean if Hunter is 2, Murphy is certainly 3.

[HiRez]

How many picks does it take to turn Kuminga into Trey Murphy III?

2 probably 3 1sts

Lacob won't do it but I would definitely trade JK + 2 FRPs for Murphy. 3 is probably a bridge too far.

[Onus]

How many picks does it take to turn Kuminga into Trey Murphy III?

2 probably 3 1sts

Lacob won't do it but I would definitely trade JK + 2 FRPs for Murphy. 3 is probably a bridge too far.

That's why it's probably 3