Top 10 QB's

[Mariner]

All of this to create some narrative that Dak is better than Hurts.

Get over it. Hurts is a top 10 QB at minimum and is better than Dak.

Where is Dak? 15th. lol

[JujitsuFlip]

I still have Showtime Mahomes on tier #1 all by himself. Am I wrong considering all the hardware and rings?

Yes, you're wrong lol

[bluejerseyjinx]

I still have Showtime Mahomes on tier #1 all by himself. Am I wrong considering all the hardware and rings?

Yes, you're wrong lol

Hater.

[Cactus Jack]

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[El Turco]

I dont trust any stat that shows Mariota as the third best quarterback

Although I like that Purdy better than Burrow, Mahomes and Hurts lol

[El Turco]

I still have Showtime Mahomes on tier #1 all by himself. Am I wrong considering all the hardware and rings?

Unless I tell you otherwise you can just assume you are always wrong.

[bluejerseyjinx]

I still have Showtime Mahomes on tier #1 all by himself. Am I wrong considering all the hardware and rings?

Unless I tell you otherwise you can just assume you are always wrong.

Always knew I could count on you.

[ball_takes23]

There’s different ways to build a Super Bowl team but the usual recipe for success is elite defense with a good or better QB/offense or elite QB with a very good defense.

But I will say that I think a common denominator in most if not all Super Bowl teams is they usually always have a very good to elite OL and/or DL. This is why I think teams need to focus more on the trenches. Yes the WRs and RBs sell tickets and merch but the big fat guys are arguably a bigger reason for success. If the OL didn’t give the QB enough time for example, those WRs wouldn’t even get a chance or the QB wouldn’t be as accurate because he’d have to rush his throws. Look at Cincinnati, they don’t place a focus on the OL and now their QB is out and Jamarr chase is looking mid as ****.

Yep just look at the best WR of all time Jerry Rice Terrell Owens Randy moss Larry Fitzgerald Calvin Johnson Cris Carter Julio jones AJ Green Deandre Hopkins Justin Jefferson

Only one of those guys with a SB ring is Jerry Rice

[azcatz11]

I still have Showtime Mahomes on tier #1 all by himself. Am I wrong considering all the hardware and rings?

Unless I tell you otherwise you can just assume you are always wrong.

Always knew I could count on you.

I’m with BJJ but I have Mahomes #3 on my power rankings after Josh and Jalen

[Micah Prescott]

This is probably a good measure for "rates" but I do think it's flaw is not taking just bulk stats into consideration. It probably also ignores rushing altogether.

Lamar has 11 TDs with only 1 INT, more total production than anyone on that list passing and rushing combined. How that could be at #20 overall? Way under Tyrod Taylor who has 3 TDs total?

[Cactus Jack]

This is probably a good measure for "rates" but I do think it's flaw is not taking just bulk stats into consideration. It probably also ignores rushing altogether.

Lamar has 11 TDs with only 1 INT, more total production than anyone on that list passing and rushing combined. How that could be at #20 overall? Way under Tyrod Taylor who has 3 TDs total?

Lamar has the 11th best EPA.

The chart is basically taking the average score by combining both EPA & PFF scoring. That's why there's so much variance.

EPA is a better stat to use to measure true efficiency.

[Micah Prescott]

This is probably a good measure for "rates" but I do think it's flaw is not taking just bulk stats into consideration. It probably also ignores rushing altogether.

Lamar has 11 TDs with only 1 INT, more total production than anyone on that list passing and rushing combined. How that could be at #20 overall? Way under Tyrod Taylor who has 3 TDs total?

Lamar has the 11th best EPA.

The chart is basically taking the average score by combining both EPA & PFF scoring. That's why there's so much variance.

EPA is a better stat to use to measure true efficiency.

11 TDs and 1 INTs - *IS* efficient. It has been adjusted though to defenses and drops. Perhaps Lamar has some INTs that the defense dropped, and has just faced easy defenses.

[Cactus Jack]

This is probably a good measure for "rates" but I do think it's flaw is not taking just bulk stats into consideration. It probably also ignores rushing altogether.

Lamar has 11 TDs with only 1 INT, more total production than anyone on that list passing and rushing combined. How that could be at #20 overall? Way under Tyrod Taylor who has 3 TDs total?

Lamar has the 11th best EPA.

The chart is basically taking the average score by combining both EPA & PFF scoring. That's why there's so much variance.

EPA is a better stat to use to measure true efficiency.

11 TDs and 1 INTs - *IS* efficient. It has been adjusted though to defenses and drops. Perhaps Lamar has some INTs that the defense dropped, and has just faced easy defenses.

Yes, TD to INT ratio is just one stat. It can be misleading.

[Jaydubb]

Lamar has the 11th best EPA.

The chart is basically taking the average score by combining both EPA & PFF scoring. That's why there's so much variance.

EPA is a better stat to use to measure true efficiency.

11 TDs and 1 INTs - *IS* efficient. It has been adjusted though to defenses and drops. Perhaps Lamar has some INTs that the defense dropped, and has just faced easy defenses.

Yes, TD to INT ratio is just one stat. It can be misleading.

I’ve been saying it for years but stats can be super misleading. Cowboy fans specifically for some reason don’t understand this.

For example, a guy like Lamar Jackson might rank lower because he might have more dropped interceptions and also there might be plays where everything goes correctly (OL blocks well, receivers run routes correctly and get open) and Lamar makes a bad play like miss a wide open receiver or almost get picked off. It goes as an “incompletion” but that’d be a bad **** play which is what would rank him lower on these EPA stats.

If somebody is only looking at basic stats all you see is an incompletion but it fails to show the context of what happened with that incompletion.

[Micah Prescott]

11 TDs and 1 INTs - *IS* efficient. It has been adjusted though to defenses and drops. Perhaps Lamar has some INTs that the defense dropped, and has just faced easy defenses.

Yes, TD to INT ratio is just one stat. It can be misleading.

I’ve been saying it for years but stats can be super misleading. Cowboy fans specifically for some reason don’t understand this.

For example, a guy like Lamar Jackson might rank lower because he might have more dropped interceptions and also there might be plays where everything goes correctly (OL blocks well, receivers run routes correctly and get open) and Lamar makes a bad play like miss a wide open receiver or almost get picked off. It goes as an “incompletion” but that’d be a bad **** play which is what would rank him lower on these EPA stats.

If somebody is only looking at basic stats all you see is an incompletion but it fails to show the context of what happened with that incompletion.

An incompletion would effect his passer rating, he has the best passer rating in the NFL. But of course stats can be misleading, be taken out of context, or be the result of another player.

Generally speaking it is extremely difficult to lead the NFL in passer rating and "suck". Or when one QB has 11 TDs (Lamar) and another has only 3 (Tyrod) it is extremely difficult for that to be a misrepresentation of who has done more for their team.

For most of us, or nearly ALL of us, stats are the only thing we can go on. None of us are watching every single game, every single Sunday. And this goes 100X for non-QBs. CBs aren't even on the screen most of the game, if a CB shuts someone down he's basically invisible to the viewer. All we can go on is metrics.

[Micah Prescott]

In baseball managers can literally win a championship going purely off stats. (Moneyball)

Moneyball strategies are implemented by NFL teams too. They are not as effective as baseball, because with only 17 games sheer luck will factor in heavily. But it can still tilt the odds a certain way.

[Jaydubb]

Yes, TD to INT ratio is just one stat. It can be misleading.

I’ve been saying it for years but stats can be super misleading. Cowboy fans specifically for some reason don’t understand this.

For example, a guy like Lamar Jackson might rank lower because he might have more dropped interceptions and also there might be plays where everything goes correctly (OL blocks well, receivers run routes correctly and get open) and Lamar makes a bad play like miss a wide open receiver or almost get picked off. It goes as an “incompletion” but that’d be a bad **** play which is what would rank him lower on these EPA stats.

If somebody is only looking at basic stats all you see is an incompletion but it fails to show the context of what happened with that incompletion.

An incompletion would effect his passer rating, he has the best passer rating in the NFL. But of course stats can be misleading, be taken out of context, or be the result of another player.

Generally speaking it is extremely difficult to lead the NFL in passer rating and "suck". Or when one QB has 11 TDs (Lamar) and another has only 3 (Tyrod) it is extremely difficult for that to be a misrepresentation of who has done more for their team.

For most of us, or nearly ALL of us, stats are the only thing we can go on. None of us are watching every single game, every single Sunday. And this goes 100X for non-QBs. CBs aren't even on the screen most of the game, if a CB shuts someone down he's basically invisible to the viewer. All we can go on is metrics.

I’m not saying Lamar or anybody sucks.lol I’m just saying there’s context behind stats. Yes an incompletion affects passer rating but so do interceptions. Interceptions actually have a bigger negative effect on passer rating. If a defender drops an easy interception then the only negative value that QB gets is the incompletion. It gives a false sense of “oh that play wasn’t that bad because it’s just an incompletion”. No, the play is bad whether the defender catches it or not..lol

Looking at stats is fine but take it with a grain of salt is all I’m saying.

[Mariner]

I’ve been saying it for years but stats can be super misleading. Cowboy fans specifically for some reason don’t understand this.

For example, a guy like Lamar Jackson might rank lower because he might have more dropped interceptions and also there might be plays where everything goes correctly (OL blocks well, receivers run routes correctly and get open) and Lamar makes a bad play like miss a wide open receiver or almost get picked off. It goes as an “incompletion” but that’d be a bad **** play which is what would rank him lower on these EPA stats.

If somebody is only looking at basic stats all you see is an incompletion but it fails to show the context of what happened with that incompletion.

An incompletion would effect his passer rating, he has the best passer rating in the NFL. But of course stats can be misleading, be taken out of context, or be the result of another player.

Generally speaking it is extremely difficult to lead the NFL in passer rating and "suck". Or when one QB has 11 TDs (Lamar) and another has only 3 (Tyrod) it is extremely difficult for that to be a misrepresentation of who has done more for their team.

For most of us, or nearly ALL of us, stats are the only thing we can go on. None of us are watching every single game, every single Sunday. And this goes 100X for non-QBs. CBs aren't even on the screen most of the game, if a CB shuts someone down he's basically invisible to the viewer. All we can go on is metrics.

I’m not saying Lamar or anybody sucks.lol I’m just saying there’s context behind stats. Yes an incompletion affects passer rating but so do interceptions. Interceptions actually have a bigger negative effect on passer rating. If a defender drops an easy interception then the only negative value that QB gets is the incompletion. It gives a false sense of “oh that play wasn’t that bad because it’s just an incompletion”. No, the play is bad whether the defender catches it or not..lol

Looking at stats is fine but take it with a grain of salt is all I’m saying.

Dropped INts or INTs resulting in the receiver dropping the ball etc… are accounted for in some stats.
Of course you have to add context. Stats are not the be all end all but they should be weighed much heavier then the eye test.

[Micah Prescott]

I’ve been saying it for years but stats can be super misleading. Cowboy fans specifically for some reason don’t understand this.

For example, a guy like Lamar Jackson might rank lower because he might have more dropped interceptions and also there might be plays where everything goes correctly (OL blocks well, receivers run routes correctly and get open) and Lamar makes a bad play like miss a wide open receiver or almost get picked off. It goes as an “incompletion” but that’d be a bad **** play which is what would rank him lower on these EPA stats.

If somebody is only looking at basic stats all you see is an incompletion but it fails to show the context of what happened with that incompletion.

An incompletion would effect his passer rating, he has the best passer rating in the NFL. But of course stats can be misleading, be taken out of context, or be the result of another player.

Generally speaking it is extremely difficult to lead the NFL in passer rating and "suck". Or when one QB has 11 TDs (Lamar) and another has only 3 (Tyrod) it is extremely difficult for that to be a misrepresentation of who has done more for their team.

For most of us, or nearly ALL of us, stats are the only thing we can go on. None of us are watching every single game, every single Sunday. And this goes 100X for non-QBs. CBs aren't even on the screen most of the game, if a CB shuts someone down he's basically invisible to the viewer. All we can go on is metrics.

I’m not saying Lamar or anybody sucks.lol I’m just saying there’s context behind stats. Yes an incompletion affects passer rating but so do interceptions. Interceptions actually have a bigger negative effect on passer rating. If a defender drops an easy interception then the only negative value that QB gets is the incompletion. It gives a false sense of “oh that play wasn’t that bad because it’s just an incompletion”. No, the play is bad whether the defender catches it or not..lol

Looking at stats is fine but take it with a grain of salt is all I’m saying.

100% and there is really is no perfect stat.

BUT, I would challenge anyone in here to make good QB rankings WITHOUT looking at stats. It would likely result in a crap list after the top-5, or a list primarily based on which teams are winning this year and last year. And non-QB positions? Forget about it. Could probably name the top-3 of most positions but then after that you're probably screwed without stats.