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Post#221 » by 76ciology » Thu Oct 2, 2025 5:29 am

We won’t really know the front office’s intent until we see what they actually offered. But knowing Morey, there’s likely a reason and a backup plan behind letting Grimes settle for the QO instead of meeting his demands.

The bright side? It gives us flexibility. A big trade becomes easier, and we’ll have access to exceptions next season around $15M (full MLE) and $4.5M (BAE), rather than being locked into Grimes and out of 1st round picks. It also makes pivoting into a rebuild, while still difficult, more realistic without a $20M+ Grimes contract which could be hard to trade. Finally, it might show real confidence in VJ Edgecombe’s talent and upside.
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Post#222 » by the_process » Thu Oct 2, 2025 12:03 pm

Mik317 wrote:its not about Grimes the player really

just the constant poor roster management that has killed us for decades lol. We either overpay old scrubs or let at the very least solid players walk for nothing. I don't know if Grimes is that good, I don't know if Yabu would hold up in the playoffs and obviously I don't know what deals really were offered but again it just feels like we are always on the back foot with these things and its always "well we had our hands tied doe". Like I have said before just a baffling lack of creativity in general...

and it has been constant since **** Iverson lol.


Blaming Morey for signing PG for a billion dollars and extending a hurt Joel for a billion more is totally fair and accurate.

Is it time for him to go? Probably.

Do we want Elton running the show? Hell no.

A rebuild is coming. The team is telling you this with their actions.
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Post#223 » by the_process » Thu Oct 2, 2025 12:05 pm

Stanford wrote:Morey stressed that signing Grimes was a priority all off-season.


Well, they DID sign him...
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Post#224 » by Arsenal » Thu Oct 2, 2025 12:34 pm

NYSixersFan wrote:A complete, utter debacle by fraud Morey...with an assist from Harris.

I mostly blame Morey...if he knows Harris won't go over the luxury tax to give Grimes the one-year balloon payment, then he should have done a sign and trade. this is the worst case scenario...you can't trade Grimes and will lose him for nothing next year.


There were no sign & trade options and even if there were, that would entail taking too much salary back.

Therefore, 100% of the blame is on CHEAP LITTLE JOSHY BOY.
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Post#225 » by the_process » Thu Oct 2, 2025 1:15 pm

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NYSixersFan wrote:A complete, utter debacle by fraud Morey...with an assist from Harris.

I mostly blame Morey...if he knows Harris won't go over the luxury tax to give Grimes the one-year balloon payment, then he should have done a sign and trade. this is the worst case scenario...you can't trade Grimes and will lose him for nothing next year.


There were no sign & trade options and even if there were, that would entail taking too much salary back.

Therefore, 100% of the blame is on CHEAP LITTLE JOSHY BOY.


When your "best" two players combine to make over 100M and neither is in any way reliable, and you're coming off a 24 win season, and you just drafted a SG #3 overall... you're not going to break the bank on another SG. It was never going to happen. I do think it's laughable they offered Grimes only 100k to waive his NTC. But that fits with Morey. Players are more assets than people. It also fits with they wanted Grimes to take his QO.

They still have his Bird rights. They can re-sign him if he kicks ass, or get something in a S&T. But my understanding is part of the reason Dallas traded him here in the first place was because they knew about the ridiculous contract demands.

And, not that I particularly like Harris... but he's got the Commanders and Crystal Palace and the Devils he also owns. It's very questionable he even knows what's going on here beyond a macro scope. It's Morey's ship.
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Post#226 » by Arsenal » Thu Oct 2, 2025 1:43 pm

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NYSixersFan wrote:A complete, utter debacle by fraud Morey...with an assist from Harris.

I mostly blame Morey...if he knows Harris won't go over the luxury tax to give Grimes the one-year balloon payment, then he should have done a sign and trade. this is the worst case scenario...you can't trade Grimes and will lose him for nothing next year.


There were no sign & trade options and even if there were, that would entail taking too much salary back.

Therefore, 100% of the blame is on CHEAP LITTLE JOSHY BOY.


When your "best" two players combine to make over 100M and neither is in any way reliable, and you're coming off a 24 win season, and you just drafted a SG #3 overall... you're not going to break the bank on another SG. It was never going to happen. I do think it's laughable they offered Grimes only 100k to waive his NTC. But that fits with Morey. Players are more assets than people. It also fits with they wanted Grimes to take his QO.

They still have his Bird rights. They can re-sign him if he kicks ass, or get something in a S&T. But my understanding is part of the reason Dallas traded him here in the first place was because they knew about the ridiculous contract demands.

And, not that I particularly like Harris... but he's got the Commanders and Crystal Palace and the Devils he also owns. It's very questionable he even knows what's going on here beyond a macro scope. It's Morey's ship.


Josh Harris KNOWS the budget for the Sixers because he sets it. He tells Morey and Morey has to work within those constraints.

These excuses for CHEAP JOSHY don't work. He's responsible because he's CHEAP.
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Post#227 » by sodmoraes » Thu Oct 2, 2025 1:54 pm

Now i´m wondering if it was a good move to get Grimes in the trade for Martin at all. Martin wasnt that good, and was injured all the time, but he was a Forward with a nice long term contract. If Dallas wanted to trade him because he was already demanding big money doesnt seem like a good trade looking back. Although we didnt have VJ at the time and that changed grimes situation here.
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Post#228 » by the_process » Thu Oct 2, 2025 1:56 pm

sodmoraes wrote:Now i´m wondering if it was a good move to get Grimes in the trade for Martin at all. Martin wasnt that good, and was injured all the time, but he was a Forward with a nice long term contract. If Dallas wanted to trade him because he was already demanding big money doesnt seem like a good trade looking back. Although we didnt have VJ at the time and that changed grimes situation here.


Not trading back in the draft was a mistake unless VJ is a superstar. Big gamble.

Paying 4-100 to a guy who made his name in 25 or whatever games for a tanking team is probably even a bigger gamble.
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Post#229 » by Negrodamus » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:00 pm

I don't think anyone, including the FO, was expecting Grimes to average 22ppg during his time as a Sixer. The price wasn't anywhere close to $30mil a year when we acquired him. Things change, including the drafting of Edgecombe.
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Post#230 » by NYSixersFan » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:34 pm

Arsenal wrote:
NYSixersFan wrote:A complete, utter debacle by fraud Morey...with an assist from Harris.

I mostly blame Morey...if he knows Harris won't go over the luxury tax to give Grimes the one-year balloon payment, then he should have done a sign and trade. this is the worst case scenario...you can't trade Grimes and will lose him for nothing next year.


There were no sign & trade options and even if there were, that would entail taking too much salary back.

Therefore, 100% of the blame is on CHEAP LITTLE JOSHY BOY.


Hard to believe there were no options for a sign and trade...Did we speak to Houston after VanVleet got injured? Who knows.

I don't understand why a balloon payment was not an option here. If the season goes to hell, you can get under the luxury tax at the deadline.
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Post#231 » by Stanford » Thu Oct 2, 2025 3:33 pm

Why would anyone trade for a bench player making 25 million per year?
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Post#232 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Oct 2, 2025 3:54 pm

The only good thing about this is he can be traded immediately, assuming he is ok with the destination. Still, that team wouldn't have his bird rights. FWIW, he could be legally be traded for Eason today and Houston would still be in the 1st apron.

If he signed a 1-year balloon deal, then he wouldn't be tradable at all because the 6-month restriction would be after the NBA trade deadline.
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Post#233 » by Skates » Thu Oct 2, 2025 4:22 pm

This just ramps up the anticipation of the get below the luxury tax trade at the deadline, smh.
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Post#234 » by FireMorey » Thu Oct 2, 2025 4:28 pm

The Sixers have the best record in the East in February, they're playing well, everyone's excited. "What move are they going to make at the trade deadline to get us over the top???"

"The Sixers trade Kelly Oubre to the Lakers for a future conditional draft pick to avoid the tax"

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Post#235 » by HotelVitale » Fri Oct 3, 2025 12:08 am

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FireMorey wrote:Grimes signed the qualifying offer. Means he's an UFA after the season and has a NTC. Just an utter butchery of this negotiating process by Morey. I hope Joshua Harris is paying attention because the incompetence within this organization just continues to pile up.


What did you want to have happen? What was your plan here?


Sign him to a 2-4 year deal worth between 15-17m per year. Meeting in the middle for a deal that is fair and makes sense for both parties.

Shams said Grimes agent offered the Sixers a deal at 2 year 17m per season and the Sixers turned it down.

It may be more Joshua Harris, but they also said they let Yabu go so they had extra money to pay Grimes and they lowballed him. So wtf is going on here exactly? It's just utter incompetence across the board and every Sixers fan should be tired of it every year in one form or another. Most(every?) other team in one of these situations ended up figuring it out and getting their players signed. Only the Sixers had their situation end this way.

I think you’re assuming contexts that’ll make you angry instead of ones that are more realistic. There’s no reporting that Grimes was ever at all open to a deal in that range, and also it makes perfect sense for the Sixers to sign him to that deal. Hence it seems most likely that he wasn’t open to it. (Also Shams straight up works for agents, I don’t hate him for that but that’s his role and why he’s a star news breaker.)

Sucks that Yabu walked but again bringing him back at a reasonable number makes a ton of sense, so you’d have to guess that they didn’t do that because they were planning on working something out with Grimes, and Grimes just didn’t come around to something that was workable for the Sixers. And that makes sense for Grimes too—he could be reasonably assuming he can get $20m minimum next year, so if the Sixers were stuck at $15-17m the bet on himself is a fair one.

I have a lot of criticisms of Morey but the assumption that he’s a blathering idiot with no interest in resigning good players isn’t an interesting (or real) starting point. I don’t favor some of his strategies but he does like, have them, and I don’t see any strategy he could’ve been following that wouldn’t involve bringing back Grimes at a solid price—there’s no upside to this outcome so you’d have to assume that it had to happen because Grimes just wouldn’t roll with the price range you’re talking abojt.

This could also be Josh Harris at the end of the day saying no more luxury tax for a team that could well be trash again. That’s also not really on Morey per se. Unless you’re including the legacy of the PG signing (which is fair).
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Post#236 » by FireMorey » Fri Oct 3, 2025 6:21 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
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What did you want to have happen? What was your plan here?


Sign him to a 2-4 year deal worth between 15-17m per year. Meeting in the middle for a deal that is fair and makes sense for both parties.

Shams said Grimes agent offered the Sixers a deal at 2 year 17m per season and the Sixers turned it down.

It may be more Joshua Harris, but they also said they let Yabu go so they had extra money to pay Grimes and they lowballed him. So wtf is going on here exactly? It's just utter incompetence across the board and every Sixers fan should be tired of it every year in one form or another. Most(every?) other team in one of these situations ended up figuring it out and getting their players signed. Only the Sixers had their situation end this way.

I think you’re assuming contexts that’ll make you angry instead of ones that are more realistic. There’s no reporting that Grimes was ever at all open to a deal in that range, and also it makes perfect sense for the Sixers to sign him to that deal. Hence it seems most likely that he wasn’t open to it. (Also Shams straight up works for agents, I don’t hate him for that but that’s his role and why he’s a star news breaker.)

Sucks that Yabu walked but again bringing him back at a reasonable number makes a ton of sense, so you’d have to guess that they didn’t do that because they were planning on working something out with Grimes, and Grimes just didn’t come around to something that was workable for the Sixers. And that makes sense for Grimes too—he could be reasonably assuming he can get $20m minimum next year, so if the Sixers were stuck at $15-17m the bet on himself is a fair one.

I have a lot of criticisms of Morey but the assumption that he’s a blathering idiot with no interest in resigning good players isn’t an interesting (or real) starting point. I don’t favor some of his strategies but he does like, have them, and I don’t see any strategy he could’ve been following that wouldn’t involve bringing back Grimes at a solid price—there’s no upside to this outcome so you’d have to assume that it had to happen because Grimes just wouldn’t roll with the price range you’re talking abojt.

This could also be Josh Harris at the end of the day saying no more luxury tax for a team that could well be trash again. That’s also not really on Morey per se. Unless you’re including the legacy of the PG signing (which is fair).


Now hold on a second. You can't say there's no reporting that there was a deal in that range and then when the top basketball insider in the country reports that go "Ok, but that doesn't count." Shams reported that the agent said they offered the Sixers a deal in that range. It makes sense to me. Accepting the QO was a terrible scenario for Grimes. He'll be playing in a more crowded back court, likely get less playing time, and his earning potential will go down. Odds that he makes more than 17m next season are not great.

It may very well be Joshua Harris driving this, but Morey can also have botched the negotiations. He himself said he plans to sign him long-term. So either his owner threw him a curve ball after he made those statements and had to completely adjust his plan(doubtful), he would have known what the owner is willing to pay long before the offseason starts. Or he knew what Harris was willing to do ahead of time and either still thought he could make a long term deal work and just handled it poorly, for a variety of reasons. Or he lied and never planned to sign him long term.

And forget about all that for a second. Every insider(not just Shams) reported that the Sixers didn't have dialogue with Grimes' camp for months. What the hell is that? Nothing good can come from that. And then last minute they offered him an insulting 100k raise to waive his NTC? Just an embarrassment from the Sixers.

I don't know how this situation can be looked at as anything other than totally mishandled by all sides, Morey included. Harris, Morey, Grimes, everyone. But Morey does not get a pass for this. He's president of basketball ops.
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Post#237 » by Embiid P » Fri Oct 3, 2025 6:44 pm

Not too mad that Grimes took the Q.O. Better than re-signing him to a ridiculous amount. Putting up inflated numbers on a tanking team doesn't prove he's worth the amount he is looking for especially given that he plays the position which we are deepest at. At this point, we should just trade him for whatever we can get at the deadline and call it a day.
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Post#238 » by the_process » Sat Oct 4, 2025 3:16 pm

I think the working theory to operate under now is that Grimes deals are off the table because he will not accept any.
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Post#239 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Oct 4, 2025 8:26 pm

the_process wrote:I think the working theory to operate under now is that Grimes deals are off the table because he will not accept any.


Why do you say that? There are several teams he'd probably get more playing time on.
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Post#240 » by the_process » Sat Oct 4, 2025 10:36 pm

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the_process wrote:I think the working theory to operate under now is that Grimes deals are off the table because he will not accept any.


Why do you say that? There are several teams he'd probably get more playing time on.


Because I would think, that just in case he needs/wants a S&T, he wants to keep his Bird rights alive.

If he gets traded, the acquiring team does not get his Bird Rights.

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