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Re: Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Edens: "Giannis made it very clear he is committed to Milwaukee" 

Post#1101 » by emunney » Wed Oct 1, 2025 6:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:We didn't have a "modern offense" last year for a myriad of reasons (major uptick in inefficient post-ups, bottom-8 in pick and roll frequency despite having multiple efficient P&R ball-handlers). Not getting enough shots up, particularly of the 3PT variety, was absolutely a huge culprit and arguable the biggest reason we finished outside the Top-10 in offensive efficiency for only the 2nd time in 8-years.

Seriously. how many times did we lose the math game this past season? Why was that basically never an issue up until last season? Because even in seasons we got out-shot, we were more efficient than most teams because our 3PT volume off-set the difference. On average we literally gave the opposing team 5 more shots per game last year (worst amongst all playoff teams by a significant margin). Shooting efficiency in general is mostly reliant on talent, but shot volume is almost entirely a schematic/philosophy thing. It's gonna be pretty clear very early in the season whether or not we've (re: Doc) learned anything. "Do more of the things you're good at and less of the things you're mediocre-to-bad at" should not be a complicated starting point.


We took more 3s than our opponents so how exactly did that cause us to lose the math game? In the meantime, our opponents had almost 3 more 2nd chances than us per game. You want to figure out why they took a lot more shots than us, wouldn't you start with all the extra possessions they got? Shooting more FTs than them is most of the rest of it.
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Post#1102 » by German Athens » Wed Oct 1, 2025 6:30 pm

Man, I’m just hoping we see more hit ahead passes, particularly from Giannis.

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Post#1103 » by skbucks1985 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 6:55 pm

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I think part of the issue in the NBA is how long the postseason runs. For teams who don't make it the season only lasts from mid-late Oct to the mid-early of April(for the Bucks it would run from Oct 22 to April 12). Thats less than 6 months, but if they were to go to the finals then your pushing 8-9 months


When I said 5-6 months in reference to the NFL I was including training camp. An NFL team that doesn't make the playoffs has a 4 month season from regular season game to game. If we had a 4 month NBA season followed by a 2 month postseason, I'd have no complaints.


Maybe but the NFL playoffs only last a month, same with MLB. 2 month long playoffs is just too long imo


I don't have a strong opinion about whether 2 months is too long for the postseason. What I feel strongly about is that the NBA season is too long and the NBA regular season is too long and the 2nd part should be the primary way to deal with the 1st part
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Post#1104 » by MVP2110 » Wed Oct 1, 2025 7:05 pm

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When I said 5-6 months in reference to the NFL I was including training camp. An NFL team that doesn't make the playoffs has a 4 month season from regular season game to game. If we had a 4 month NBA season followed by a 2 month postseason, I'd have no complaints.


Maybe but the NFL playoffs only last a month, same with MLB. 2 month long playoffs is just too long imo


I don't have a strong opinion about whether 2 months is too long for the postseason. What I feel strongly about is that the NBA season is too long and the NBA regular season is too long and the 2nd part should be the primary way to deal with the 1st part


I think we have the exact opposite viewpoint. I don't mind how long the regular season is. I cant stand how long the postseason is

So we can agree to disagree since none of it is changing anyway
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Post#1105 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 1, 2025 7:21 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:We didn't have a "modern offense" last year for a myriad of reasons (major uptick in inefficient post-ups, bottom-8 in pick and roll frequency despite having multiple efficient P&R ball-handlers). Not getting enough shots up, particularly of the 3PT variety, was absolutely a huge culprit and arguable the biggest reason we finished outside the Top-10 in offensive efficiency for only the 2nd time in 8-years.

Seriously. how many times did we lose the math game this past season? Why was that basically never an issue up until last season? Because even in seasons we got out-shot, we were more efficient than most teams because our 3PT volume off-set the difference. On average we literally gave the opposing team 5 more shots per game last year (worst amongst all playoff teams by a significant margin). Shooting efficiency in general is mostly reliant on talent, but shot volume is almost entirely a schematic/philosophy thing. It's gonna be pretty clear very early in the season whether or not we've (re: Doc) learned anything. "Do more of the things you're good at and less of the things you're mediocre-to-bad at" should not be a complicated starting point.


We took more 3s than our opponents so how exactly did that cause us to lose the math game? In the meantime, our opponents had almost 3 more 2nd chances than us per game. You want to figure out why they took a lot more shots than us, wouldn't you start with all the extra possessions they got? Shooting more FTs than them is most of the rest of it.


This isn't true. I don't know what numbers you're looking at. And yes, what's the common denominator here in regards to why we inexplicably have become the worst offensive REB% team the last two years (25th and 30th) with pretty much zero change in frontcourt personnel? I don't know why we're just trying to explain this away as some sort of coincidence or because Giannis is shooting a whopping 0.8 3PT attempts less than the previous season.

Doc got his hands on arguably the greatest "creates open perimeter shots for his teammates" superstar in modern history, and proceeded to mash a square peg into a round hole with this team's shot profile (2nd highest post-up frequency, 16th in 3PT attempt rate, 18th in total attempts, 5th worst 3PT shot differential, and worst FGA differential by a landslide). I'll die on the hill that this was still an elite offense last season if only we had a coach that wasn't actively sabotaging things from a lineup and schematic standpoint.
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Post#1106 » by emunney » Wed Oct 1, 2025 8:45 pm

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Ron Swanson wrote:We didn't have a "modern offense" last year for a myriad of reasons (major uptick in inefficient post-ups, bottom-8 in pick and roll frequency despite having multiple efficient P&R ball-handlers). Not getting enough shots up, particularly of the 3PT variety, was absolutely a huge culprit and arguable the biggest reason we finished outside the Top-10 in offensive efficiency for only the 2nd time in 8-years.

Seriously. how many times did we lose the math game this past season? Why was that basically never an issue up until last season? Because even in seasons we got out-shot, we were more efficient than most teams because our 3PT volume off-set the difference. On average we literally gave the opposing team 5 more shots per game last year (worst amongst all playoff teams by a significant margin). Shooting efficiency in general is mostly reliant on talent, but shot volume is almost entirely a schematic/philosophy thing. It's gonna be pretty clear very early in the season whether or not we've (re: Doc) learned anything. "Do more of the things you're good at and less of the things you're mediocre-to-bad at" should not be a complicated starting point.


We took more 3s than our opponents so how exactly did that cause us to lose the math game? In the meantime, our opponents had almost 3 more 2nd chances than us per game. You want to figure out why they took a lot more shots than us, wouldn't you start with all the extra possessions they got? Shooting more FTs than them is most of the rest of it.


This isn't true. I don't know what numbers you're looking at. And yes, what's the common denominator here in regards to why we inexplicably have become the worst offensive REB% team the last two years (25th and 30th) with pretty much zero change in frontcourt personnel? I don't know why we're just trying to explain this away as some sort of coincidence or because Giannis is shooting a whopping 0.8 3PT attempts less than the previous season.

Doc got his hands on arguably the greatest "creates open perimeter shots for his teammates" superstar in modern history, and proceeded to mash a square peg into a round hole with this team's shot profile (2nd highest post-up frequency, 16th in 3PT attempt rate, 18th in total attempts, 5th worst 3PT shot differential, and worst FGA differential by a landslide). I'll die on the hill that this was still an elite offense last season if only we had a coach that wasn't actively sabotaging things from a lineup and schematic standpoint.


You got me there, I was looking at 3pm. I see what you mean. I don't think the rebounding thing is about Doc, though. I think it's about Brook slowing down and teams figuring out that running on him is all upside, and that getting truer and truer as he gets older, so there are tons of possessions where our biggest player never sets foot inside the 3pt line. The extent to which it's about Doc is that Doc chose to play Brook and Taurean "Let Me Pedantically Explain Rebounding to You but Never Actually Do it" Prince big minutes, not about the scheme they played. Prince is probably a bigger factor than Brook.
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Post#1107 » by Rstuedes24 » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:52 am

I know it's been talked about but man I really hope we can get Khris back here soon. He's a Buck for life and could still be a super solid role player. Seeing him in a different jersey doesn't feel right.
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Post#1108 » by midranger » Thu Oct 2, 2025 11:01 am

We all love Khris. I’m not sure he’d fit in with the style of play we (should) be playing this year.
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Post#1109 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 2, 2025 11:21 am

midranger wrote:We all love Khris. I’m not sure he’d fit in with the style of play we (should) be playing this year.



We have Prince, who might play. He can do everything Prince can do, and more.
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Post#1110 » by Packbuckman » Thu Oct 2, 2025 11:44 am

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midranger wrote:We all love Khris. I’m not sure he’d fit in with the style of play we (should) be playing this year.



We have Prince, who might play. He can do everything Prince can do, and more.

Coffey by reports has looked awesome so far in training camp if he wins 3 spot and has a great year no need to bring back Kris and Prince to the bench with Kuzma.
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Post#1111 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 2, 2025 11:51 am

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midranger wrote:We all love Khris. I’m not sure he’d fit in with the style of play we (should) be playing this year.



We have Prince, who might play. He can do everything Prince can do, and more.

Coffey by reports has looked awesome so far in training camp if he wins 3 spot and has a great year no need to bring back Kris and Prince to the bench with Kuzma.


Coffey is also slow, and is about 1/3 the player Khris is.
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Post#1112 » by midranger » Thu Oct 2, 2025 12:35 pm

Meh, Coffey and Prince will sit their butts in the corner and wait for kick outs. They won’t be running slow midrange isos and posts taking the ball out of the hands of Giannis and KPJ.
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Post#1113 » by Packbuckman » Thu Oct 2, 2025 1:49 pm

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We have Prince, who might play. He can do everything Prince can do, and more.

Coffey by reports has looked awesome so far in training camp if he wins 3 spot and has a great year no need to bring back Kris and Prince to the bench with Kuzma.


Coffey is also slow, and is about 1/3 the player Khris is.

Coffey is also only 28 and I doubt he is slower than Kris is now. I never seen him play just going off what coaches have said so far. Me personally I would love Livingston to get his 3 pt shot down and win the job.
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Post#1114 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:18 pm

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You got me there, I was looking at 3pm. I see what you mean. I don't think the rebounding thing is about Doc, though. I think it's about Brook slowing down and teams figuring out that running on him is all upside, and that getting truer and truer as he gets older, so there are tons of possessions where our biggest player never sets foot inside the 3pt line. The extent to which it's about Doc is that Doc chose to play Brook and Taurean "Let Me Pedantically Explain Rebounding to You but Never Actually Do it" Prince big minutes, not about the scheme they played. Prince is probably a bigger factor than Brook.


Prince was a convenient scapegoat for a lot of this roster's woes, but I think with the increase in 3PT shots, perimeter players affect offensive rebounding even less because longer rebounds = unpredictable rebounds, and it ultimately comes down more to variance than anything. Swapping Brook with a more mobile 5 should certainly help that, but worth noting that Turner wasn't great there either (Pacers had a 2% worse OREB rate with him on the court). But that kind of makes sense when you want him out by the 3PT line spacing the floor, not down in the low block (something people always ignored with Brook as well). Whatever the case, there should be no excuse for us being a bottom-5 offensive rebounding team again with this new personnel. Even if there's not much of any correlation between offensive rebounding and offensive efficiency.
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Post#1115 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:50 pm

Doc talking about Coffey's "unbelievable" first day of training camp does make it sound like he'll not only but making the team but playing a major role.

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Post#1116 » by SupremeHustle » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:57 pm

raferfenix wrote:Doc talking about Coffey's "unbelievable" first day of training camp does make it sound like he'll not only but making the team but playing a major role.

More praise for Anthony here as well:

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Doc sure is full of energy for a guy who only had Amir Coffey.
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Post#1117 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 2, 2025 2:58 pm

Horst talking about AJ Green having "a big jump for us this year" while saying they're still working on an extension is interesting too.

Sure there's plenty of PR talk at training camp but if Anthony much less Coffey are going to get real minutes then someone's getting squeezed out of the rotation -- at least until injuries strike:

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Post#1118 » by BUCKnation » Thu Oct 2, 2025 3:10 pm

On top of it being interesting that Coffey had a media day conference with his camp deal, Justin Garcia on LOB alluded to having a conversation with an unnamed player who said he was looking to settle in for an apartment or house and was surprised by the person talking about that considering the deal they were on. Pretty much all but outright said it was Coffey.
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Post#1119 » by PG Graveyard » Thu Oct 2, 2025 3:12 pm

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raferfenix wrote:Doc talking about Coffey's "unbelievable" first day of training camp does make it sound like he'll not only but making the team but playing a major role.

More praise for Anthony here as well:

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Doc sure is full of energy for a guy who only had Amir Coffey.


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Post#1120 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 2, 2025 3:34 pm

Question at this point seems to be whether Coffey starts at the 3 not whether he's in the rotation much less on the roster.

Kuzma, Prince, Green and GTJ are also competing for clock at SF.

Doc's praise for Kuz is notable in this context too:

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On the other hand there's also this:

Aside from Porter, Rivers has chosen not to give out further details on the starting lineup. Kuzma even said Wednesday that Rivers had not yet discussed his specific role with him.


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